Solution for uprooting poverty in the country?

[Screambowl]

Hi,

I want views of all members how would they want government to act for eradicating poverty from the country so at least people can have if not high standard of living but a good standard atleast.

So that they need not to struggle for basic needs .

We should keep in mind that we are 1.25 Billion and it's not an easy task and the upliftment from bad financial situation in home would require time.

So all your ideas and views are welcomed!

 

[Screambowl]

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[Indx TechStyle]

Hi,

I want views of all members how would they want government to act for eradicating poverty from the country so at least people can have if not high standard of living but a good standard atleast.

So that they need not to struggle for basic needs .

We should keep in mind that we are 1.25 Billion and it's not an easy task and the upliftment from bad financial situation in home would require time.

So all your ideas and views are welcomed!

Looks that again pakis and westerners told you something (old data) about poverty or slums and you're caught again.
Indian Poverty ratio declines to 12.4%

According to last world bank reports, India has less less tha 10% poverty.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...by-new-world-bank-formula-114080400161_1.html

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Looks that again pakis and westerners told you something (old data) about poverty or slums and you're caught again.
Indian Poverty ratio declines to 12.4%

According to last world bank reports, India has less less tha 10% poverty.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...by-new-world-bank-formula-114080400161_1.html

@Screambowl It will become nearly 5%(if today 12%) by 2022, before India classifies itself as Highly Developed(HDI above 0.700) in 2022-23.
You remember once you said people will make every city slum and mentality can't be changed?
Reducing percentage of people living in slums and climbing up in quality of life index shows mentality of younger generations is better. We surely get some of nicest cities in one or two decades.

 

[pmaitra]

Wow, this is a very broad topic. I cannot touch on all the things. I will mention one thing as of now.

If the opportunities to earn money are highly concentrated in the cities, people will tend to move and crowd the cities. This will result in proliferation of slums. When there are slums, there is a massive increase in population, which forms a vote bank. It will be difficult to evict them. One thing to do is to diversify.

In the United States, most of the major cities are not the state capitals. E.g.:

• The capital of California is not Los Angeles or San Francisco, but Sacramento.
• The capital of New York is not New York City, but Albany.

So on and so forth.

I will comment on poverty later.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Wow, this is a very broad topic. I cannot touch on all the things. I will mention one thing as of now.

If the opportunities to earn money are highly concentrated in the cities, people will tend to move and crowd the cities. This will result in proliferation of slums. When there are slums, there is a massive increase in population, which forms a vote bank. It will be difficult to evict them. One thing to do is to diversify.

In the United States, most of the major cities are not the state capitals. E.g.:

• The capital of California is not Los Angeles or San Francisco, but Sacramento.
• The capital of New York is not New York City, but Albany.

So on and so forth.

I will comment on poverty later.

Good news is that poverty is being reduced by huge chunk from last few years.
So, @Screambowl provided me a thread where I can put updates of poverty alleviation, HDI, IHDI, Per capita income and other reports every year.

 

[pmaitra]

Good news is that poverty is being reduced by huge chunk from last few years.
So, @Screambowl provided me a thread where I can put updates of poverty alleviation, HDI, IHDI, Per capita income and other reports every year.

Yes, I remember someone had posted an article where India is lifting about 3 million (maybe my numbers are incorrect) out of poverty every year.

I will delve into this later.

 

[aditya10r]

Yes, I remember someone had posted an article where India is lifting about 3 million (maybe my numbers are incorrect) out of poverty every year.

I will delve into this later.

We are getting 100,000 people out of poverty everyday and bringing them into middle class
So its 36 million people each year
These are the numbers which only China has been able to achieve

 

[Rushil51]

We are getting 100,000 people out of poverty everyday and bringing them into middle class
So its 36 million people each year
These are the numbers which only China has been able to achieve

The topic of definition of middle class is quite complicated.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...264-million-credit-suisse-115102900181_1.html

Depending on the definition,our middle-class can be anywhere between 24 million to 264 million.

http://qz.com/578793/indias-middle-class-is-almost-impossible-to-define/

 

[Rushil51]

This is an interesting thread. We should broaden it by discussing solutions to other socio-economic issues we face (Malnutrition, Literacy etc.)

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Current attributes of India:
GDP per capita(2015-16)
Nominal: $1747(141st)
PPP: $6598(118th)
It had gone slow for 2014-15. Good to see speed revived.
HDI(2015):

0.609(medium, 130th out of 193 nations),
It's also growing very fast from 0.554 in 2013 and 0.586 in 2014.

GHI: 29(ranked 25th):
It's a huge achievement, improved by a large number of points and ranks, before it, we were more pathetic than pakistan. Now, much better.

 

[Screambowl]

@Screambowl It will become nearly 5%(if today 12%) by 2022, before India classifies itself as Highly Developed(HDI above 0.700) in 2022-23.
You remember once you said people will make every city slum and mentality can't be changed?
Reducing percentage of people living in slums and climbing up in quality of life index shows mentality of younger generations is better. We surely get some of nicest cities in one or two decades.

yes, I said that, and this is psychological factor which needs to be controlled by the self. But What are we exactly doing on ground?

Like villages in Bihar, people living under extensive heat , there the problem is much more than worse. We cannot tell them, leave your home and com to smart city and pay us million rupees for that home.

I was rather in a concept of making villages smart. May be a smart Village.

Because it is tough to maintain a big city but a small village can be maintained. And can do much better than cities. @pmaitra

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

The first post is wrong itself. Govt cannot eradicate poverty!! Only people can eradicate poverty if govt start minding its own business and let people have freedom of trade!!

 

[Rushil51]

The first post is wrong itself. Govt cannot eradicate poverty!! Only people can eradicate poverty if govt start minding its own business and let people have freedom of trade!!

Freedom of trade without ANY governemnt influence on the trade will only widen the gap between rich and poor. Poor people who barely have any education, barely any captial, lack technical skills etc will not survive this form of ccapatlis.

Whatever reduction we have acheived in poverty has only been because of government. No matter how better they could have done, atleast there has been some reduction.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Freedom of trade without ANY governemnt influence on the trade will only widen the gap between rich and poor. Poor people who barely have any education, barely any captial, lack technical skills etc will not survive this form of ccapatlis.

Whatever reduction we have acheived in poverty has only been because of government. No matter how better they could have done, atleast there has been some reduction.

Can't give you gyan on it. Too broad topic.

Just compare India before 1991 and today. All the wealth is generated because people are free to set up businesses. Otherwise, you would have waited for 10yrs to get a landline connection!!

 

[Screambowl]

The first post is wrong itself. Govt cannot eradicate poverty!! Only people can eradicate poverty if govt start minding its own business and let people have freedom of trade!!

if you need to build a school which provides technical skill in a village for a nearby factory, how are you suppose to commence that without taking the government in confidence? And more over taking necessary assistance not just financial but inputs from HRD ministry on the best possible way to set up the institute.

Government can help through it's network of specialized people by giving inputs. That's one way.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

if you need to build a school which provides technical skill in a village for a nearby factory, how are you suppose to commence that without taking the government in confidence? And more over taking necessary assistance not just financial but inputs from HRD ministry on the best possible way to set up the institute.

Government can help through it's network of specialized people by giving inputs. That's one way.

HRD--bunch of jokers!

They are building ITIs for more than 30 yrs now where no one want to study. Indian manufacturing is stuck at 16-17%, i.e. there is no demand for ITI graduates, but they still keep building ITIs!

1) private players know where to set up school. it should be located where it makes sense to have 1.

2) Govt. spends other people's money and hence hardly care. If a politician says railway line should go through my village, then it does whether it makes commercial sense or not.

Hope you get the drift of argument. There are very few places where govt is needed.

 

[Screambowl]

HRD--bunch of jokers!

They are building ITIs for more than 30 yrs now where no one want to study. Indian manufacturing is stuck at 16-17%, i.e. there is no demand for ITI graduates, but they still keep building ITIs!

1) private players know where to set up school. it should be located where it makes sense to have 1.

2) Govt. spends other people's money and hence hardly care. If a politician says railway line should go through my village, then it does whether it makes commercial sense or not.

Hope you get the drift of argument. There are very few places where govt is needed.

Yes, I got it.

I am not saying what government should do. I said what is government capable of doing. Government has a big network of specialised people and all the technical data at their disposal. Which can be utilized.

There was a news that most of the graduates from Unis are worthless and unskilled. ITI produces more skillful people.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

yes, I said that, and this is psychological factor which needs to be controlled by the self. But What are we exactly doing on ground?

Data shows the changing psychology.
Open defecation has reduced to 37% from 70%.
I can understand your problem, even if we make 100 smart cities, looking only at one slum will shatter our entire ego.
But we can't change mentality of entire nation in one shot. It goes one by one, takes time, there's no way that in near future Bihar or Jharkhand change into Kerala or Goa.

Like villages in Bihar, people living under extensive heat , there the problem is much more than worse. We cannot tell them, leave your home and com to smart city and pay us million rupees for that home.

I was rather in a concept of making villages smart. May be a smart Village.

Because it is tough to maintain a big city but a small village can be maintained. And can do much better than cities. @pmaitra

Yes, there's a smart village concept, started just a few months after smart cities missiin, but I don't know it's degree of implementation. Though it has been implemented in Gujarat's some villages well. Proper sanitation, security, cleanliness(better than even cities).Not know about other states.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Yes, I got it.

I am not saying what government should do. I said what is government capable of doing. Government has a big network of specialised people and all the technical data at their disposal. Which can be utilized.

There was a news that most of the graduates from Unis are worthless and unskilled. ITI produces more skillful people.

NDA says about manufacturing based economy and industrialization in upcoming 13th five years plan.
Let's see what happens (hope they succeed. ).