So whats up with Bo Xilai

Do you support Bo Xilai's ouster?

  • Yes I do

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • No I dont, he should form a separatist group to take on the CCP and get justice

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • No I dont, but he should walk away quietly without causing any trouble.

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • I am not Chinese, just following the poll

    Votes: 7 53.8%

  • Total voters
    13

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Is that why you start this poll, to find out how many Chinese support Bo so that you can calculate the chance of Bo revolting against CPC? Nice!
Chinese will support and invite re-education and house arrests?

Are you suggesting that the Chinese are daft?!
 

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No its not heartwarming. Watching the CCP going down the toilet sure will be a heck of a laugh for me personally.

Ramble on, Ramble on.
I mean you are so considerate to come up with such a poll in order to make Chinese members voice their opinions without being detected by CPC.

By the way, it is more accurate to say watching China going down the toilet sure will be a heck of a laugh for you personally, but too bad you are not going to see that.
 

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Chinese will support and invite re-education and house arrests?

Are you suggesting that the Chinese are daft?!
So supporting Bo equals to inviting re-education, house arrests and being dumb?

So lucky that I didn't choose that option.

It is so risky to take part in a poll conducted by Indians, it is very likely you will be said to be daft after choosing the wrong option. So what is it if I choose to oppose Bo?

Ray, I suggest you post a guideline here, explaining all the consequences of different choices so that we will know which choice is the best. After all, we Chinese are not empowered by democracy as you Indians.

Supporting Bo is out of the question now, because that means you are daft. I feel pity for the one who selected "No I dont, he should form a separatist group to take on the CCP and get justice".
 
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So supporting Bo equals to inviting re-education, house arrests and being dumb?

So lucky that I didn't choose that option.

It is so risky to take part in a poll conducted by Indians, it is very likely you will be said to be daft after choosing the wrong option. So what is it if I choose to oppose Bo?
If you choose to oppose Bo, you are a CCP supporter. If you choose to support Bo, you are a Bo supporter. If you are a Bo supporter, then CCP will most probably hound you.
 

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If you choose to oppose Bo, you are a CCP supporter. If you choose to support Bo, you are a Bo supporter. If you are a Bo supporter, then CCP will most probably hound you.
Is that why Ray suggested being a Bo supporter means you are daft? Will I be hound by Bo if I choose to be a CPC supporter.
 
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It is so risky to take part in a poll conducted by Indians, it is very likely you will be said to be daft after choosing the wrong option. So what is it if I choose to oppose Bo?

Ray, I suggest you post a guideline here, explaining all the consequences of different choices so that we will know which choice is the best. After all, we Chinese are not empowered by democracy as you Indians.
Nimo,

By opposing Bo you are keeping yourself safe and your nose above water!

You are a survivor!

I did not put up the poll so I can't give out the guidelines!

QED!
 

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With Bo Xilai down, nine leaders who may soon run China

(Reuters) - In Chinese power politics, careers are often built on years of toil in quiet conformity, punctuated by the occasional flourish of leadership in time of crisis or a policy initiative that gets adopted nationwide.

The self-destruction of a rival doesn't hurt much either.

Indeed, Bo Xilai's ouster as Chongqing party chief on Thursday has put his own leadership prospects on ice and done more to boost the career prospects for his rivals in less time than perhaps anything they did themselves.

Reuters spoke to a number of sources with ties to the leadership to gauge who among the country's power elite might stand to benefit from Bo's fall from grace.

The obvious beneficiary is his chief rival, Guangdong party chief Wang Yang, who was Bo's predecessor in Chongqing and so had to endure the constant nagging political chatter about the rave successes of his "Chongqing model".

But Bo's removal has also eased pressure on other contenders vying for the highest office, and made it easier to peer through the Communist Party's opaque crystal ball and determine who will likely be running China by the end of this year.

At stake are seven seats on the nine-member Politburo Standing Committee, the pinnacle of power in China and the committee that sets direction on policy ranging from financial and economic policy, foreign policy and security and social welfare and education.

Two of those nine seats are reserved, for Vice President Xi Jinping and Vice Premier Li Keqiang, who have been on the Standing Committee since 2007 with China's party chief Hu Jintao, and are due to take over the reins of power at the Communist Party's 18th five-yearly Congress in the autumn.

Hu and other leaders will retire, forced out by age limits, and up to this week the seven vacancies were being contested by up to nine current Politburo members, including Bo.

As the Bo episode has shown, Chinese elite politics is a fluid world and things can change rapidly, making it difficult to predict with certainty how things will unfold when the secretive Communist Party finally settles on the new leadership.

Forecasting the style and direction of Xi and his Standing Committee is even more difficult. While Bo actively trumpeted his own policies, the others adhered to a more subdued leadership style. All support China's drive for economic reform and opening up, but because risk taking can be hazardous for one's political career, most have given little sign of how they would behave once in office.

They are expected at least initially to adhere to the consensus driven model of decision making set by Hu Jintao. In short, expect bland and incremental before brash or bold.

Most sources say the charismatic Bo will likely be sidelined at best.

"Bo Xilai's chances of getting into the Standing Committee are extremely slim, but he will not give up like this," one source with leadership ties told Reuters, requesting anonymity.

Still with Bo looking far out of the picture, the others should have an easier time contending and, when the jockeying stops, could find themselves in the final line-up of the Standing Committee when it is set in stone late this year.

"Until then, there will be plenty of maneuvering by those holding top positions and those hoping to get a seat at the Standing Committee of the Politburo," Steve Tsang, professor of contemporary Chinese studies at the University of Nottingham and director of the China Policy Institute, wrote in a commentary.

"Bo's Standing Committee dream is over, but how his fate will be decided will affect the prospects of others -- and with it how China will be managed in the next decade," he said.

Unless Hu and other top leaders surprise by appointing the first woman in Communist China's history or a young Turk from the 1960s generation to signal who will take over after Xi, sources said the seven places on the Standing Committee will likely fill out as follows:

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Wang Yang, who turns 57 this month, the reformist party chief of China's southern economic powerhouse of Guangdong. His conciliatory handling of civil unrest in the fishing village of Wukan drew plaudits for defusing the protracted standoff, which ended in a breakthrough for grassroots civil rights activism. A native of Anhui province, he is a protégé of President Hu.

A former factory worker, Wang rose swiftly through the party ranks and was Bo's predecessor in Chongqing. Their rivalry spawned the nickname "the two cannons". When promoted to Guangdong in 2007, one of China's most strategically important provincial posts, Wang was given a Politburo seat and dubbed the "Young Marshall" for his decisive yet easy-going leadership style.

Wang made frequent calls to reform and upgrade Guangdong's competitiveness and industrial base by moving toward higher technology industries, even at the height of the 2008-2009 financial crisis when thousands of Pearl River Delta factories went bankrupt. Last year, he championed a "Happy Guangdong" development concept, emphasizing not just economic growth but also social, environmental and quality of life factors.

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Wang Qishan, currently the most junior of four vice premiers and a darling of foreign investors who has long been brought in as a problem solver, sorting out a debt crisis in Guangdong in the late 1990s and replacing the sacked Beijing mayor after a cover-up of the deadly SARS virus in 2003.

Wang, the princeling son-in-law of a former vice premier, is tipped to become the first ranked of the vice premiers.

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Liu Yunshan, the propaganda minister who has kept domestic media on a tight leash, could take over the propaganda portfolio for the Standing Committee, sources said.

As minister of the party's Propaganda Department since 2002, Liu has also sought to control China's increasingly unruly Internet, which has over 450 million users. He has been a member of the Politburo for two five-year terms ending this year.

Liu, 64, worked in the northern region of Inner Mongolia for more than 20 years until 1993 when he was named a vice minister of propaganda. The schoolteacher-turned-politician is a native of the northern coal-rich province of Shanxi.

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Li Yuanchao, 61, who oversees the appointment of senior party, government and military officials as head of the party's powerful organization department is a shoo-in for the Standing Committee, sources with ties to the top leadership said.

Li, whose father was a vice-mayor of Shanghai, has risen far since he was a humble farm hand during the chaotic 1966-76 Cultural Revolution. An astute politician, Li is able to navigate between various interest groups, from Hu Jintao's Communist Youth League power base to the so-called "princelings", the children of China's political elite.

"Li Yuanchao is acceptable both to the Youth League faction and the princelings," one source told Reuters.

As party chief in his native province, Jiangsu, from 2002 to 2007 Li oversaw a rapid rise in personal incomes and economic development, attracting foreign investment from global industrial leaders like Ford, Samsung and Caterpillar.

Shortly after taking over in Jiangsu, he personally phoned a European company, a major foreign investor in the province, to ask if there was anything he could do for them. He earned mathematics and economics degrees from two of China's best universities and a doctorate in law, and also spent a few months at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.

He is a possible for vice president.

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Zhang Dejiang, 65, whose chances of promotion were boosted on Thursday when he was chosen to replace Bo in Chongqing, serving concurrently in his current post as vice premier. As vice premier in charge of industry, his star had been tarnished by the downfall of the railway minister for corruption in 2011.

Zhang, who is close to former president Jiang Zemin who still wields some influence, studied economics at Kim Il-sung University in North Korea and is a native of northeast China. On his watch as party chief of Guangdong, the southern province maintained its position as a powerhouse of China's economic growth, even as it struggled with energy shortages, corruption-fuelled unrest and the emergence of the 2003 SARS epidemic.

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Zhang Gaoli, 65, party chief of the northern port city of Tianjin and a Politburo member since 2007, is a Jiang ally.

He was sent to clean up Tianjin, which was hit by a string of corruption scandals implicating Zhang's predecessor and the former top adviser to the city's lawmaking body. The adviser committed suicide shortly after Zhang's arrival.

A native of the southeastern province of Fujian, Zhang is an economist by training. He also served as party chief of the northern province of Shandong and Guangdong vice governor.

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Yu Zhengsheng, Shanghai party boss, whose impeccable Communist pedigree made him a rising star in the mid-1980s until his brother, an intelligence agent, defected to the United States. His close ties with Deng Pufang, the son of late paramount leader Deng Xiaoping, spared him the full political repercussions but he was taken off the fast track.

Yu bided his time in ministerial ranks until bouncing back, joining the Politburo in 2002. The princeling would be a front runner to become parliament chairman, though his age (he turns 67 in April) would require him to retire in 2017 after one term.

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That would round out the new Standing Committee, unless Hu tries to make a bolder step. One option would be Liu Yandong, a princeling also tied to President Hu's Youth League faction. She has been discussed as head of the advisory body to parliament, but because at 67, she is on the cusp of retirement, her age is a factor against her. Her bigger challenge is that no woman has made it into the Standing Committee since 1949.

"Not even Jiang Qing or Deng Yingchao were members of the Politburo Standing Committee," one source said, referring to the widows of late Chairman Mao Zedong and Premier Zhou Enlai.

Liu, daughter of a former vice-minister of agriculture, is the only woman in the 25-member Politburo, a minority in China's male dominated political culture. She has been on the wider Politburo since 2007 as one of five state councillors, a rank senior to a cabinet minister but junior to a vice-premier.

Insight: With Bo Xilai down, nine leaders who may soon run China | Reuters
 

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Xi Appeals for 'Purity' Amid Party Scandal

BEIJING—Xi Jinping, the man expected to take over China's top post in the fall, made a public appeal for "purity" among Communist Party leaders as the country's leadership sought to draw a line under a scandal that felled one of its senior members this week.

In an essay published Friday, Vice President Xi didn't refer directly to Bo Xilai, who was dismissed as party chief of the mega-city of Chongqing on Thursday over a political scandal that erupted when his former police chief spent a night in a U.S. consulate in China last month.

But in the essay published in Seeking Truth, the party's main ideological publication, Mr. Xi urged fellow leaders not to "play to the crowd" or "seek personal gain and high office" and to adhere strictly to the party's collective decision-making system.

The magazine said the essay was based on a speech Mr. Xi made on March 1 at the Party's Central Party School, its top think tank and training ground, which he heads. But even if it predated Mr. Bo's dismissal, the essay addressed many of the core issues raised by the scandal surrounding him.

Mr. Bo was once considered a frontrunner for promotion to the party's Politburo Standing Committee – its top leadership body – in a once-a-decade leadership change in the fall, having won praise from many peers for his attempts to revive the spirit of Chairman Mao Zedong. The school of thought that Mr. Bo symbolized emphasizes an increased role for the state in society and business.


Bo Xilai has been replaced as party chief of the southwestern Chinese megacity of Chongqing. WSJ's Li Yuan and Andrew Browne discuss what's next for the controversial leader.

Mr. Xi, who is expected to take over as party chief in the fall and as the country's president next March, was among several top leaders who visited Chongqing in the past two years and praised Mr. Bo's policies, including his controversial "red singing" campaign.

But Mr. Bo's political career is now effectively over. He was fired Thursday after an unusual public rebuke from Premier Wen Jiabao over the scandal involving the former police chief and Mr. Bo's Maoist revival movement.

Analysts say Mr. Xi and other leaders who previously praised Mr. Bo's polices in Chongqing had turned against him principally because his populist style and naked campaigning for office threatened to undermine a consensus-driven leadership system.

"All decisions on major undertakings must strictly adhere to the Party's principle of democratic centralism," Mr Xi wrote in the essay. "They can't be decided by an individual or a small group of people"¦ but should be decided according to collective wisdom and strict procedure."

Mr. Xi and Mr. Bo are both known in China as "princelings," as their fathers were revolutionary leaders who were purged during the political chaos of the 60s but later rehabilitated and reappointed to senior party positions in the 1980s.

But analysts say that even if they have known each other for many years, they don't necessarily have close personal relations, or share the same views on which development model China should follow over the next decade.

"If you crave to be ostentatious, to play to the crowd, and seek personal gain and high office, and if you don't aim for higher goals, it is not only difficult to push forward the work of the Party and people, but also damages the Party's image, lets people down, and makes them lose faith in us," Mr. Xi said.

Mr. Xi's essay urged party members to study another speech delivered by current party chief and president, Hu Jintao, to the Central Commission for Central Disciplinary Inspection, which handles internal investigations into senior party figures.

"At the moment, there are some party members and leading cadres who have become giddy and feverish in the waves of the market economy" leading to corruption and violations of law and Party discipline, Mr. Xi said.

"Recently, some regions and departments have been too relaxed and soft in managing Party personnel, leading to an unfortunate trend towards not correcting things early, and minor mishaps turning into big problems," he said.

"There's a common saying that a stitch in time saves nine."

Xi Appeals for 'Purity' Amid Party Scandal - WSJ.com
 

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Bo's downfall triggers Chinese outpouring

Perhaps it was no coincidence that the downfall of Bo Xilai, China's most charismatic and polarising Communist official, came on the Ides of March.
After all, Wen Jiabao, the Chinese premier who publicly admonished Mr Bo a day earlier on March 14, is an avid fan of Shakespeare – and Chinese political manoeuvres are always heavy on symbolism.


Whatever was behind the timing, Mr Bo's purge is the most significant end to a political career in China for more than two decades. It has raised fears the Communist party could be destabilised by growing rifts between increasingly entrenched factions.
The announcement on Thursday that Mr Bo had been ousted as party secretary of the south-western metropolis of Chongqing sent shockwaves through the nation and elicited very mixed responses.

With his radiant smile and populist policies, Mr Bo was well liked among many ordinary citizens, especially residents in Dalian and Chongqing, the two cities where he served as the top official.
The news of his political demise was met by an outpouring of emotion from many people on the internet who expressed support for his social policies and his crackdown on crime.
"Good uncle Bo Xilai, the people will always remember you and can distinguish between good and evil, beauty and ugliness," said one internet user with the name "Ordinary person, new student".
Another user called "Flying ocean" said: "As a Dalian native, from high school through university I was always proud, but after I graduated every time I went back there I noticed a huge difference"‰."‰."‰."‰With its frequent fire disasters, dirty streets and rookie drivers, what has Dalian come to? Compared to Bo Xilai all the [government officials] who came after him have been far worse."

Although Mr Bo's "anti-mafia" crackdown on crime in Chongqing was wildly popular when launched in 2008, it caused consternation among liberals and human rights activists for its use of torture and disregard for the legal process.
It also offended some of Mr Bo's powerful rivals within the party, who saw their allies being targeted as "mafia bosses" while alleged misdeeds by Mr Bo's acolytes were ignored.

The man who led the anti-crime crusade, Mr Bo's handpicked police chief Wang Lijun, was ultimately the one who prompted his downfall when he sought asylum in a US consulate last month, claiming that Mr Bo was trying to have him killed. After providing documentary proof of alleged crimes committed by Mr Bo, Mr Wang left the consulate in the company of state security agents and was taken to Beijing for investigation.

One man who witnessed first-hand the brutality of the Chongqing campaign was Li Jun, a former billionaire property developer who was tortured for three months, had his assets seized and saw most of his family jailed after he eventually managed to flee the country.
"I am happy Bo Xilai and Wang Lijun are where they are today," Mr Li said on Friday. "These two men trampled all over China's democracy and law, killing innocent people. (Democracy and law - :rofl::lol::laugh:) They persecuted thousands of people in Chongqing in their so-called 'anti-mafia' campaign, which was actually an excuse to confiscate hundreds of billions of renminbi worth of assets from private entrepreneurs."

As for Mr Bo's fate, all of China is speculating as to whether he will get a taste of his own medicine in a Chinese prison, or whether he might be given a ceremonial role in the party so that he can live out his days in obscurity.
On Friday, the government sent mixed messages. One high-level official was quoted as saying that Mr Bo should be given credit for his achievements in Chongqing while a strongly worded editorial appeared in Seeking Truth, the party magazine, from Xi Jinping, vice-president of China, which hinted at possible harsh treatment. (So the new prez is on his first witch-hunt already)

The party must "firmly oppose all actions that harm and split the party"‰."‰."‰."‰firmly excise decayed and corrupted people who deviated from the party constitution, who jeopardised the undertaking of the party and who have lost the credentials to be a party member", wrote Mr Xi, the man who is all but certain to be named president in a once-in-a-decade leadership transition later this year.

Although the editorial had been written and published previously in a newspaper before Mr Bo's dismissal, the decision to reprint Mr Xi's words will offer little comfort to China's would-be Caesar Bo as he sits in Beijing awaiting his fate.
Obviously fatboy Ji is scared shitless of Bo. He does not want to see him roam free. How long before Bo is behind bars is anyone's guess.
 

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Bo Xilai scandal: Gu Kailai charged with Heywood murder

The wife of disgraced Chinese political leader Bo Xilai has been charged with the murder of UK businessman Neil Heywood, state news agency Xinhua says.

Gu Kailai and Zhang Xiaojun, employed at Mr Bo's home, were "recently" prosecuted by a Chinese court, Xinhua said, without giving further details.

Mr Heywood was found dead in a hotel in Chongqing on 15 November 2011.

The apparent murder of Mr Heywood triggered Mr Bo's downfall in a scandal that has rocked Chinese politics.

Local officials initially said Mr Heywood died of excessive drinking, but the government announced in April it was investigating Mr Bo's wife in connection with the case.

The two accused have been charged with intentional homicide by the Hefei Municipal Procuratorate (state prosecutor's office) in the eastern province of Anhui.

Britain welcomed the news, saying it was "glad to see" China is continuing the investigation into Mr Heywood's death.
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She will come out sooner than later, depending on what happens to Bo's clout in the CPC.
 

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Suspended Death Sentence handed to Gu Kaila. Ai Weiwei is accusing Britain of collaborating with the CCP. Nice circus. :lol:
 

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To trackwhack, the best brain who is eager to server your masters in the west, I chose option 1. We don't want another culture revolution.

Poll Question : Do you support Bo Xilai's ouster?

Option 1] Yes I do

Option 2] No I dont, he should form a separatist group to take on the CCP and get justice

Option 3] No I dont, but he should walk away quietly without causing any trouble.

Option 4] I am not Chinese, just following the poll

DD, even online armies have their allegiances. Let us see if they vote as one or are brave enough to voice their genuine opinions. Amoy for one seems to be a staunch supporter of Bo. Hats off Amoy for having the courage to defy the official stance.
 

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the present ccp govt has done a reasonably good job of keeping dragon in check - so why replace them ? regarding border issues withindia , it is the onus of the india govt to strengthen the borders and if so ccp cant do much so it's in our own camp to make ourselves stronger - so whay exchange the devil you do know with another that you dont ?

- thus i vote that bo should walk off quietly .
 

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Bo Xilai scandal: Ex-police chief Wang Lijun charged

The ex-police chief at the centre of China's biggest political scandal for years has been charged with a number of offences, Chinese state media say.
Wang Lijun is charged with defection, abuse of power and bribe-taking.

He briefly fled to a US consulate in February, triggering a series of events that led to the downfall of the powerful politician Bo Xilai.
Bo Xilai's wife has since been given a suspended death sentence for the murder of British businessman Neil Heywood.
Mr Bo had been tipped for promotion to China's highest leadership this year.

The BBC's Martin Patience in Beijing says the charges against Mr Wang appear to be an attempt to bring the scandal to an end before China embarks on a change of leadership later this year.

Gave himself up

Wang Lijun, 52, was the former police chief of the south-western Chinese city of Chongqing and had a reputation for being tough on organised crime.
He was once the subject of a TV drama called Iron-Blooded Police Spirits.
He began his career in law enforcement in the Inner Mongolia Region in 1984 and moved to Chongqing in 2008.
He had close ties with the former chief of Chongqing, Bo Xilai, but in early February the Chongqing city government said Mr Wang had been shifted to another job.

Four days later, he fled to the US consulate in nearby Chengdu, where many believe he sought asylum.
He spent the night there but was persuaded to leave a day later. He gave himself up to police and has been in detention since then.
According to the UK Foreign Office, Mr Wang made allegations about Mr Heywood's death while at the consulate.
Shortly afterwards, Bo Xilai was sacked as Chongqing's Communist party chief, and his wife Gu Kailai was accused and later convicted of murdering British businessman Neil Heywood.

'Personal gain'

The charges against Mr Wang have been brought by the authorities in Chengdu - the province that Mr Wang fled to in February, rather than in Chongqing, where he served as police chief.

According to Xinhua news agency, Wang Lijun is suspected of attempting to cover up Gu Kailai's involvement in the Neil Heywood murder.
He knew that Gu Kailai was a suspect, but "consciously neglected his duty and bent the law for personal gain", according to the indictment.
He is also accused of leaving his post without authorisation with the intention of defecting at the US Consulate General in Chengdu.
The authorities also suspect him of forging documents and of accepting huge sums of money in abuse of his position as vice mayor and police chief of Chongqing.

The People's Procuratorate of Chengdu say the evidence against him is "concrete and abundant", Xinhua reports.
Little has been heard of Wang Lijun since his arrest in February, despite the political and criminal fallout his visit to the US consulate in February generated.
Many say that without it, the investigation into Neil Heywood's death may never have been reopened, and murder charges may never have followed.
No date has been set for a trial, but analysts suggest it could be imminent, and that it could be over quickly.
Gu Kailai's murder trial took just one day.
 

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