Skirmishs at LOC, LAC & International Border

[Butter Chicken]

Paki news says 2 civilians killed :bounce:
Looks like there are no Puki soldier sat the LoC only civilians

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/2...ed-as-indian-troops-target-funeral-across-loc

 

[Kalki_2018]

They have been hiding their causalities for a while now. IA is really hitting them hard. But we need strikes inside PoK and pakjab to make them pay.

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

They have been hiding their causalities for a while now. IA is really hitting them hard. But we need strikes inside PoK and pakjab to make them pay.

Time will come my friend, time will come. Have patience till then. Don't let emotions nor adrenaline or hatred cloud your thoughts.

 

[Mikesingh]

What is a subedar on leave doing at a border outpost in Poonch getting killed?

Many serving and retired Paki soldiers have their houses a few km from the border/LoC. One of the reasons for giving cheap/free land to retired Pakis near the border is so that they can help in infiltrating these terror yahoos across into India.

Many such retired Porks have been killed by Indian arty shelling but they won't admit it.

 

[Poseidon]

The deceased, identified as Muhammad Iqbal Kiani and his cousin Shaukat Kiani, belonged to the nearby village of Chaffar. They were in their late forties.

Residents said that Shaukat Kiani was a Subedar (junior commissioned officer) in the army and had come home on leave.

His body was brought to the Abbaspur Tehsil Headquarters (THQ) Hospital for fulfilment of procedural requirements.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1375158

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

The deceased, identified as Muhammad Iqbal Kiani and his cousin Shaukat Kiani, belonged to the nearby village of Chaffar. They were in their late forties.

Residents said that Shaukat Kiani was a Subedar (junior commissioned officer) in the army and had come home on leave.

His body was brought to the Abbaspur Tehsil Headquarters (THQ) Hospital for fulfilment of procedural requirements.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1375158

Kiani=Gakhar i. e. Northern Punjabi/Potohari.
And these people want Kashmir valley.

 

[captscooby81]

Not sure when and where but kuch toh hua hai china border mein ..:hippo:

Aisa china border pe kab hoga?
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ab china inke bunker banayega toh tod nahi saktey na hum.
Because that will be considered as Chinese investment.

Pakis want war b/w India and China

 

[captscooby81]

one more throwing light on our neighbours

 

[Kshithij]

300 KIA since 2016 is in my opinion nearly impossible.
The LoC would be far hotter of that were the case.

300 means less than 1 per day. It is indeed possible. More Indian soldiers have died every year, some to suicide, some in counter insurgency, some in ceasefire

Didnt they test a 2500km range missile shaheen 2 and a 2750k missile shaheen 3.These can hit any part of India.

They can hit, but the problem is that nuclear bombs are not all powerful. Just look at the video of nuclear testing on youtube. India can invade pakistan quite easily and has a much larger military industrial complex. With recent indigenisation and privatisation, India is now capable of having 70% of weapons indigenously. Some more improvements in engine technology of Kaveri, turboshaft and tank engine, AESA radar and some other improvements and India will have all ot needs. I would say that by 2027,India is likely to be almost fully indigenous in arms manufacturing.

It will be last option exactly after Indo Pak war. Because India will be weak that time re collecting it's economy and building process.

You are mistaking the reality. After a one sided war with Pakistan, India will lose little but have extremely angry people and devoid of mualims. Angry people will make the country great, not weak.

Second, Chinese are not known to have genocidal intentions. I would actually prefer to team up with Chinese against the islamist and west.

The drama of NSG and all are just facewash. Reality is that Turkey is opposing India and China only covers it up by pretending to be anti India to prevent spilling over religion card when the oil is still flowing

 

[Kshithij]

The oldman is hopeless , the early Tibetan refugees whose 3rd gen now born and work in India , is more Indian and Tibetan , without govt care development towards free Tibet died long ago ,now Lama knows that every spiritual rank in Tibet going to be replaced by CCP , and few thousands here would change much , so by lowering his voice he try to truce a deal with Chinese so that they keep missionaries outside Tibet and let Tibetan live in true autonomy and also if possible not involve in religion of Tibet ...he is hoping that atlast it wil keep "Tibetism" alive for the future when our govt ready to take the matter seriously .

We Indian and other power in past is responsible for this

The only thing which I always mention and also mentioned in previous posts is. GOI has given ample of time to advisories to develop, prepare, be stable and come again to fight with India. And still the GOI IDK for what reasons does not understand this simple thing.


BC 51% toh already hum log backward hai hi on certificates!! What more backwardness is India expecting after the skirmish.

So what's the fucking fuzz in teaching lessons to advisories.

We have to wait till oil runs out. Gid has created great injustice by giving oil to muslims. But they were also deprived if food. So, till they keep supplying oil, they get higher leverage. They have to supply oil as they need food. But, since food is not monopoly of a few, unlike oil, Muslims have a higher leverage than food suppliers.

Due to injustice of God, we have to be patient. Can't go against god.

Dalai Lama controls the SFF Tibetans.It is under his orders that Tibetans faught in 71 and most of them didnt even want to join SFF and joined on his instructions.

We are stupid to make the premier unit of the country be full of refugees who wont take time to switch sides.

This was my fear.

If tomorrow they make a truce China will have all our secrets that too the contingency plans of the best unit in India.

Its high time to restructure SFF.

It can be made a tri services SF unit or a all Para best operators unit easily.

Chill out. I see Modi trying to befriend china. Chinese are 1000 times more reasonable than muslims and 10 times more benign than USA. USA has more resources and hence is showing arrogance and others tolerating it.

 

[Kshithij]

Why is China helping Pakistan build bunkers along Gujarat, Rajasthan border?


China is helping Pakistan build strong permanent bunkers along the border with Gujarat and Rajasthan, pictures exclusively accessed by Aaj Tak reveal, in fresh evidence of the two troublesome neighbours joining forces to nettle India.

The Pakistani side has set up more than 350 such dugouts with Chinese help. The structures are difficult to locate as the stones used for the construction are inconspicuous. Sources say defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman has already visited key areas thrice to assess the security preparedness since getting intelligence reports on the matter.

Pakistan has also purportedly undertaken construction of defence canals, swamps and road infrastructure. China and Pakistan consider each other “all-weather friends” and have close diplomatic, economic and security ties. Officials point out that there has been a significant rise in the number of Chinese soldiers close to the Indian border with Pakistan.

WHAT ARE THE CHINESE UP TO?

The Chinese have also been building airports adjacent to India: two have come up in the last four months while work on two more is underway. An airbase is already complete about 25km away from the Ghotaru border in Rajasthan’s Jaisalmer district. The Chinese have been building another airport in Tharparkar, close to Rajasthan’s Barmer.

This base too is about 25km from the Indian border.

India has often raised concerns over China’s growing presence in the region, fearing strategic encirclement by a “string of pearls” around the Indian Ocean and on land as China builds ports, railways and power stations in countries like Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Chinese soldiers have been building an airport close to Gujarat as well, in the Mithi region, 20km from India.

Plans are afoot to lay railway tracks for a China-Pakistan corridor. According to sources, during a flag meeting with India, Pakistan claimed that the airports will be used by oil and gas companies of China as earlier they used to find it difficult to arrive at the location. New Delhi has been sceptical of Beijing’s One Belt, One Road Initiative (OBOR) – an audacious network of land and sea routes that seeks to connect Asia, Europe, Africa and West Asia in a modern, magnified version of the Silk Route.

Part of the corridor runs through Gilgit-Baltistan, territory that India sees as sovereign and illegally occupied, all the way to the Gwadar deep-sea port in Pakistan. New Delhi denounced the project and boycotted a huge conclave in May in Beijing that was attended by 60 countries that have signed up to the Belt-and-Road project.

According to intelligence inputs, several Chinese soldiers have also been seen in Peerkamal and Cholistan, close to Jaislamer. Security agencies are perplexed at the prospect of the relatively quiet desert area being turned into a strategic location by China. There are also reports that Chinese soldiers are trying to upgrade airbases such as the ones in Pakistan’s Karachi, Jacobabad, Quetta, Rawalpindi, Sargoda and Peshawar. Relations between China and India nosedived this year during a dispute over a three-way junction between Bhutan, China’s Tibet and India’s Sikkim, which was resolved with both sides standing down in August.

idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website https://idrw.org/why-is-china-helping-pakistan-build-bunkers-along-gujarat-rajasthan-border/ .

There is no point blaming chinese for these things. They are simple work and chinese are doing business. The question is why Pakistan is asking China to build bunkers

 

[mayfair]

^ They are hoping to host some Cheeni troops there.. Or at least that's the message they wish to send to us. That we will be facing a joint Napaki-Cheeni front.

More likely Napakis are incapable of building a sandaas let alone a bunker...

 

[Kalki_2018]

More likely chinese troops will be required to evacuate the chinese citizens when mullahs start rioting and raiding the massage parlors and cpec routes.

 

[Kshithij]

^ They are hoping to host some Cheeni troops there.. Or at least that's the message they wish to send to us. That we will be facing a joint Napaki-Cheeni front.

More likely Napakis are incapable of building a sandaas let alone a bunker...

Chinese are not crazy. They will not risk their soldiers for a crazed Pakistan. Pakistan can't be controlled. The mullahs are fully crazed and insane. They will stop at nothing.

China can never handle Pakistani mullahs

 

[Screambowl]

The drama of NSG and all are just facewash. Reality is that Turkey is opposing India and China only covers it up by pretending to be anti India to prevent spilling over religion card when the oil is still flowing

NSG could be a drama. And Turkey is a supporter of Pak.

But the fact is India and China needs to be clear about the limitations. They can use the roads but India will run the seas. Make this pact clear with them. More problem comes when there is no clear and stable policy inside your own system. That gives more trouble and chances of skirmish.The Govt changes the policy changes.

 

[Kshithij]

NSG could be a drama. And Turkey is a supporter of Pak.

But the fact is India and China needs to be clear about the limitations. They can use the roads but India will run the seas. Make this pact clear with them. More problem comes when there is no clear and stable policy inside your own system. That gives more trouble and chances of skirmish.The Govt changes the policy changes.

As Mr Lanba said, Chinese are not yet a threat to India. So, it is again media hype. Now, Lama is toning down Tibet stance at Indian behest. There is something going on

 

[Screambowl]

As Mr Lanba said, Chinese are not yet a threat to India. So, it is again media hype. Now, Lama is toning down Tibet stance at Indian behest. There is something going on

That rhetoric is not correct. No country fights directly
China has Pak and Pak is not being friendly with India.

To compete with Gwadar, China need access, gives them transportation from Mumbai or Kolkata for their goods. And make money. Their goods, India's transportation.

I always say, India should concentrate more on sea transport

 

[aditya g]

Many serving and retired Paki soldiers have their houses a few km from the border/LoC. One of the reasons for giving cheap/free land to retired Pakis near the border is so that they can help in infiltrating these terror yahoos across into India.

Many such retired Porks have been killed by Indian arty shelling but they won't admit it.

These personnel, even if retired from service should be treated as enemy combatants and casualties counted under military head.

 

[Kshithij]

That rhetoric is not correct. No country fights directly
China has Pak and Pak is not being friendly with India.

To compete with Gwadar, China need access, gives them transportation from Mumbai or Kolkata for their goods. And make money. Their goods, India's transportation.

I always say, India should concentrate more on sea transport

India may actually be giving access to Chinese ships. India doesn't prevent chinese from docking in the ports. It is a misconception that India is blocking Chinese cargo.

 

[Screambowl]

It is a misconception that India is blocking Chinese cargo.

It's not just about docking it's the duty and tax. Why Chinese built one single road from Gwadar to Karakoram?

The idea is 1) not depending on India. 2) Gwadar is deep sea port 3) to avoid tax in every state unlike India.