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    I agree with this...

    Let me also add that, it’s not the case that KP’s were not in powerful govt positions in Delhi. Nehru preferred KP bureaucrats, which continued into Indira’s period as well.

    They had representation in the highest echelons of power, and yet never took up the cause even today.

    Take Vivek katju’s daughter for example, she is a lawyer and she is championing LBGT rights in India and US. I have never seen her lending her voice to KP cause. In all probability knowingly or unknowingly she has been turned into a “useful idiot”.

    Even in the media, there were many journalists who have KP roots but they never made efforts to highlight their past. It’s only after Aditya raj Kaul and that times now editor ravi Shankar who started asserting their roots on prime time debates that few other journalists joined the bandwagon but never fully committed themselves to the cause. For these journos, asserting their allegiance to libtard causes was more important that standing up for their own families.

    Only when KP’s unite and decide what they actually want, only then there will be progress. Sulking on prime time tv debates is not helping anyone. They have representation in every field and a wealth of bureaucratic experience among themselves, it would hardly take 3-6 months of internal debate among themselves to come up with a common objective and strategy to reach the objective(irrespective of political party in power).
     
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    The list is very long, but off the top of my head, we can add Nidhi Razdan too. But forget using her voice for KP causes, she sleeps w/ Omar Abdullah, whose father was merrily playing golf in London and didn't give a shit while KP's were being wiped out.
     
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    Sorry this is Off Topic - Mods feel free to move it to relevant section

    @12arya @Enquirer @Darth Malgus A great article I was reading just as we were discussing BJP's future in Kerala. Important snippet about Kerala is highlighted towards the end.

    Electoral Decimation of the Left to open political space, Hindu consolidation, and attempts to wean away a section of Christians seems to be the long term gameplan there.


    Home » Magazine » National » BJP's South Indian Conquest: Why It's A Work In Progress
    BJP's South Indian Conquest: Why It's A Work In Progress
    The BJP has more than a foothold in Karnataka but in Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and Kerala, the party's Hindutva narrative may need to change
    PREETHA NAIR, AJAY SUKUMARAN, G.C. SHEKHAR18 JULY 2019
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    The south—Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Telangana, Kerala, Karnataka and Pondicherry—accounts for 130 Lok Sabha seats. Speaking about expansion plans in the region, Rajya Sabha MP G.V.L. Narasimha Rao of the BJP says the party has set an ambitious target of adding 20 per cent more members in each state. A massive membership drive has already been launched. “We expect that the south will contribute to the 2024 Lok Sabha results just the way Odisha and Bengal did in 2019. We expect the two Telugu states and Kerala to deliver a large number of seats,” says Rao.

    In keeping with its southern ambitions, the BJP is also looking to shed its image as a north Indian party. Party leaders acknowledge that they have to overcome some hurdles in the region, mainly due to linguistic, geographic, historic and religious factors, for making the desired perceptual change possible. Admitting that drawing more people from the south into the BJP demands bridging the north-south gap, senior leader Lalitha Kumaramangalam says the party is looking at solutions such as promoting competent southern leaders at the Centre. “We need to pay more attention to local demands and the problems of the states. We are mulling the interlinking of rivers to benefit the Cauvery delta farmers and its riverine states. We will also address the neglect of the major southern metropolises such as Bangalore and Chennai,” adds Kumaramangalam.

    Political observers feel that as the BJP’s narrative of Hindutva fails to make any impact in the southern states, it may experiment with caste-based mobilisation instead. Analysts trace the BJP’s rise in Karnataka to the split in the Janata Dal in the late 1990s, which started the gradual shifting of the electorally important Lingayat community towards the BJP led by former CM B.S. Yeddyurappa, a Lingayat leader. The Vokkaligas, another populous community, are largely seen to back the JD(S), but the recent Lok Sabha results suggest that the BJP could have emerged as an option for some sections of the community, reckons political scientist Valerian Rodrigues. “The elite of the Vokkaliga community is strongly with the BJP,” he tells Outlook. “Political ambition and alienation of sorts led the Lingayats to the BJP, but with the Vokkaligas, the party has built up a religious kind of nexus.”

    Rodrigues feels the BJP is following a strong regional, community and caste-wise strategy to strengthen itself in the south, most visibly in Telangana and among some of the OBC castes in southern Tamil Nadu. “It’s a three-pronged strategy—reach out to specific castes and communities, pick regions of priority and see where there are very fragile combinations that can be broken,” he says.


    According to political analyst Sandeep Shastri, who believes it is simplistic to say that BJP uses a single agenda to build its base in the south, the BJP’s next stop after Karnataka will be Telangana, where it is emerging as the alternative to the ruling TRS led by K. Chandrashekar Rao. “It’s not that the BJP is looking for a quick fix turnover in the south,” says Shastri. “Even if the BJP emerges as the largest opposition party, it would be a huge achievement. See how they have emerged as Mamata Banerjee’s principal opponent in Bengal. It’s not about coming to power, it’s about emerging as a key player in the states.”

    Building organisational strength is the key priority, admit leaders of the BJP, which has been aggressively recruiting from other parties. As Andhra Pradesh and Telangana have witnessed large-scale defections to the BJP from other parties, the leaders Outlook spoke to concede that it is indeed an emerging trend. “The way to grow is certainly by expansion,” says Narasimha Rao. “What is undemocratic about former MLA or MPs joining the BJP? (Former Andhra CM) N. Chandrababu Naidu had brought 23 YSR Congress MLAs into the TDP in the past five years and made four of them ministers. The Congress and others should look back and stop complaining.”

    Agrees BJP general secretary P. Muralidhar Rao, who adds: “In the coming days, you will see more people from other parties joining the BJP and also our voteshare rising. In the next two years, the BJP will be the only opposition party in Andhra Pradesh and Telangana, where 36 lakh new members will be added as part of our membership drive. Both the states are going to witness major political realignment in the coming days.”



    AP and Telangana

    In the two Telugu states, the BJP is trying to fill the political vacuum left by the decimation of two powerful parties—the TDP and the Congress—in the general elections. “We are working hard to build the party from the grassroots,” says Sunil Deodhar, the BJP’s national secretary in charge of Andhra Pradesh. “We are here for development, but won’t compromise on our ideology and tolerate conversion or appeasement of minorities for votebank politics.” The BJP has a fair chance if it can do a social churning to accomplish its dream to capture power in the 2023 assembly polls, reckons political commentator Kollu Anka Babu. “The BJP should strike a balance between the two economically powerful and influential communities—the Kapu and the Kamma—besides taking along the minorities and other backward communities,” he says.



    “The BJP should strike a balance between Andhra Pradesh’s two powerful communities—the Kapu and the Kamma,” says analyst K. Anka Babu.
    With the massive exodus to the BJP from the TDP, the prospects of the revival of Naidu’s party appear quite bleak. “Revival is distant dream under Naidu,” says a senior TDP functionary. “We have little option but to look for greener pastures and safer havens. In the prevailing scenario, there is no scope for the Congress, which is dead and gone. As the YSR Congress led by Jaganmohan Reddy is dominated by his own community members, we were left with just one option—the BJP, which is emerging as the most powerful party in the country.”

    Unlike Andhra Pradesh, where the BJP has to start from scratch, Telangana is smoother sailing. Though the party fared badly in the 2018 assembly polls, it bounced back by winning four of the 17 Lok Sabha seats this year. The party seizes an advantageous position if the OBCs—a major bloc in Telangana—choose to support it as the alleged ‘minority appeasement’ by KCR is not going down well with them. It’s also hoping to garner support from the influential Reddy community. BJP state unit spokesperson Krishna Sagar Rao claims that many Congress and TDP leaders, besides disgruntled TRS members, are willing to join the party. “Many senior leaders who had left us to join the TRS have returned. We are open to admitting anyone who is opposed to dynastic rule at the Centre and in the state,” he says. “Our party is changing with the times. It’s not an NGO or a religious outfit like the VHP.”

    Tamil Nadu

    Tamil Nadu continues to give stiff resistance to the BJP, leaving the party struggling to catch the pulse of Dravidian politics. Its central leaders say their priority is to strengthen alliances in the state. “We have to strengthen them well ahead of elections,” says MP Narasimha Rao. “We already have a formidable alliance with the AIADMK. It can do well.”



    “We have to strengthen our alliances in Tamil Nadu well ahead of polls. Our alliance with the AIADMK can do well,” says MP Narasimha Rao.
    The party has also been handicapped by the absence of a charismatic state-level leader. The central leadership is apparently considering Nainar Nagendran for the role. The former AIADMK member joined the BJP two years ago. “I will do anything the party asks me to,” says Nagendran, who was a minister in the erstwhile J. Jayalalithaa government. Belonging to the powerful OBC Thevar community, he is expected to help the BJP grow in south and central Tamil Nadu.

    Observers say the party may also try to piggyback on leaders like actor Rajinikanth to consolidate its position. “For the AIADMK, it’s all going downhill. The BJP is cleverly trying to create an alternative to the DMK alliance and may rope in leaders like Rajinikanth,” says Shastri.

    Kerala

    In god’s own country, the BJP-led NDA may have come a cropper again in the Lok Sabha elections, but closer analyses of the voteshare prove that there is a steady pattern of ideological Hindutva becoming electoral Hindutva in the state. “Steady increase in voteshare over the past three general elections shows a definitive gain for the party,” says Prof P.K. Yasser Arafath of Delhi University’s history department. “The micro details of the three elections show that the BJP has been growing fast. With this growth rate, which is most likely to persist, the Sangh parivar is not far away from capturing about half of the majority electorate in the next 10 years. A Lokniti-Centre for the Study of Developing Societies (CSDS) survey shows how the NDA successfully secured more than 38 per cent of the privileged caste vote in 2019. An undivided 50 per cent from the majority electorate would definitely help the BJP make strong inroads into Kerala.”



    “Kerala voteshares over the past three general elections show the BJP may capture half its majority elctorate in 10 years,” says Arafath.
    BJP’s state president P.S. Sreedharan Pillai is obviously a happy man. “Our voteshare saw a 56 per cent increase from the last elections,” he says. Political analyst J. Prabhash says the party is all set to gain in the state. “Though I wouldn’t say we are going to see an immediate sea-change in electoral results, the rise in the party’s voteshare is significant,” he adds.

    Prabhash believes there are three factors to be considered. “The Sabarimala issue has certainly helped the BJP secure a number of votes. Then, the coalition with the BDJS and the Kerala Congress (Thomas) has given them a sort of legitimacy. Third is the fact that the Congress is getting weaker in many pockets.”

    The BJP has set a target of doubling party membership in the state. “We want to bring more people, including members of the minority community, into the party,” says Pillai. With the BJP policy of wooing the minorities—already a few Christian leaders are with them in Kerala—the party is slowly but steadily making electoral gains in its last post to conquer in the south.
     
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    Should move this conversation to the politics section. The thread has gone off course...
     
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    Resolution of Kashmir issue on cards…
    no power on earth can stop it: Rajnath Singh


    Referring to his numerous appeals as Home Minister for talks to all those raking up Kashmir issue, Singh recalled how Hurriyat leaders did not open their doors for visiting members of the all-party delegation once led by him to the Valley.




    Defence Minister Rajnath Singh on Saturday said that resolution of Kashmir issue is on the cards and that “no power on the earth can stop it”. “Kashmir samasya ka hal jaldi hi honey wala hai” (resolution of Kashmir issue will take place soon), he said before inaugurating a 1,000 meters long bridge over river Ujh in border Kathua district. Constructed at a cost of Rs 50 crore, it is the longest ever bridge constructed by Border Roads Organisation (BRO) so far.

    Referring to his numerous appeals as Home Minister for talks to all those raking up Kashmir issue, Singh recalled that how Hurriyat leaders did not open their doors for visiting members of the all-party delegation once led by him to the Valley. “Resolution of Kashmir issue is bound to take place and no power on earth can stop it,” he said


    “Agar baat cheet se nahi, to kaisey, humey maloom hai” (If not through talks then how, we know it), he added.

    “Iska samadhaan ho kar rahey ga. Main jo bolta hoon, souch samaj kar bolta hoon. Aisey hi nahi bolta hoon”
    (Its resolution is bound to take place. Whatever I say, I say with full responsibility),
    he said.



    https://indianexpress.com/article/i...sue-rajnath-singh-home-minister-5839307/lite/
     
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    Ominous....from Kadi Ninda... Looks like article 35a and 370 will be flushed down the toilet... :pound::bounce::drool:
     
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    Politicians are known to shoot from the hip for brownie points. I'll eat my Mexican hat if there's a resolution in the next 5 years of BJP rule. Elections are over. Why is he saying this now?? :confused1:
     
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    Ignore. The sudden drop of visibility from HM to RM will take some getting used to.. Without such statements, people might forget about him.
     
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    Lol, why does this ghafoor feel compelled to respond to every tweet made by any random Indian guy? Shows his insecurity.
     
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    Except Baba he replies to everybody.Wonder why he is afraid of Baba despite being personally tagged
     
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    Can some one tell , what is PAF preparing after 27 feb , we heard pl15 missile and few new radar updates for jf17 . few of them got some training on rafale in qtar .


    what new in PAF ??
     
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    That Rafale news was a fake news for porki domestic consumption. Damn these guys will go to any lengths to keep their awam jahil.
     
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    how do you know its false or true , can you share any prof. i dont have trust on qatar
     
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    Exclusive: Huzaifa al-Bakistani, a key commander of #ISJK and a highly trained Pakistani national, involved in radicalisation of Indian youths, killed in a US drone strike in #Nangarhar in Afghanistan. #ISIS








    Huzaifa was also instrumental in the newly formed group "Wilayah of Hind" this year.



     
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    Those big ones ?
    If that happens, do make a video of you eating it and upload it on YouTube so we can all enjoy it.
     
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    Pakistan Army was giving cover fire by Ceasefire Violation to terrorists to infiltrate in our territory since last 3 days.This offensive action is taken to give a strong message to terrorist army that there will be no any limit if question will be about security of our people


     
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    Some more data on the dip,

    Excerpt:

    Fewer stone-pelting cases in Kashmir under central rule
    (It means, NC and PDP can suck it!)


    According to data reviewed by Hindustan Times, the total number of stone-pelting cases registered under the NC-INC regime between 2009 and 2014 was 2,690 with a spike in 2010, when protests took place against alleged killings by the army in the Macchil sector.


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    The number of stone-pelting incidents in the Kashmir valley has dipped under direct federal rule compared to the number reported under the two previous political administrations — the Peoples Democratic Party-Bharatiya Janata Party (PDP-BJP) coalition that was in power between 2015 and mid-2018, and the National Conference-Indian National Congress (NC-INC) alliance that stayed in office between 2009 and 2014.

    Governor’s rule was imposed in Jammu and Kashmir on June 18, 2018 after the BJP withdrew support to the PDP, forcing chief minister Mehbooba Mufti to resign. A total of 349 stone-pelting cases were registered in the remaining part of last year. Thus far in 2019 (until July 17), there have been 355 incidents of stone-pelting. The state is currently under President’s rule.

    According to data reviewed by Hindustan Times, the total number of stone-pelting cases registered under the NC-INC regime between 2009 and 2014 was 2,690 with a spike in 2010, when protests took place against alleged killings by the army in the Macchil sector.


    The PDP-BJP government, headed initially by Mufti Mohammed Sayeed and then, after his death, by his daughter Mehbooba Mufti, recorded a high of 4,522 cases against stone-pelters with a huge spike of 2,897 cases in 2016 amid widespread protests over the killing of Hizbul Mujahideen militant commander Burhan Wani in an encounter with security forces and rising disgruntlement against the PDP for joining hands with the BJP.


    Data over a decade also suggests that Srinagar, the base of the pro-Pakistan umbrella separatist group Hurriyat Conference, witnesses the most number of instances of stone-pelting.
    Sopore, a hotbed of the Jamaat-e-Islami, Kashmir and Tehreek-e-Hurriyat activity, Baramulla and Pulwama aren’t far behind.


    While militant activity in north Kashmir towns is dominated by the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba, south Kashmir towns like Pulwama, Kulgam and Anantnag are hubs of terrorists from the Hizbul Mujahideen and the Pakistan based Jaish-e-Mohammed. Kupwara, Avantipora, Handwara, Ganderbal and Bandipora are, in general, more peaceful, going by the data.


    Senior Jammu and Kashmir police officials believe that the free hand given to security forces under Governor’s and now President’s rule is largely responsible for the decline in the number of stone-pelting incidents, and blame the politicians for being soft on troublemakers. For instance, the PDP-BJP government, at Mehbooba Mufti’s instance, announced an amnesty for first-time stone-pelters.:frusty:(F U Nibbi)


    Top home ministry officials also understand that the alienation of the Kashmiri must end, apart from neutralizing terrorists or launching big-ticket schemes. “ Home minister Amit Shah made it very clear to district commissioners in Kashmir during his visit that all 354 central government schemes that touch an average Kashmiri must be implemented in toto. He made it clear that the priority is Kashmiri public — with big infrastructure schemes and counter-terrorism operations going hand in hand,” said a senior home ministry official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    According to counter-terrorism operatives, there are a total of 300 terrorists in the valley currently, of which 115 are of Pakistani or Afghan nationality. The focus of security agencies is to not allow these numbers to go up by stopping replenishment from across the border and putting an end to the recruitment of local young men in South Kashmir.

    https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-...entral-rule/story-o3sYQTJ6opgq9khy4h6zlM.html
     
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