Sino-Vietnam Conflicts : Spratley Islands and others

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False actually.

Paracel Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chinese cultural relics in the Paracel islands dating from the Tang and Song dynasty eras were found, which meant 618-1279 ad.

Vietnam can only trace a historical connection back to the 15th century.
Please read:

Public opinion has demanded that the Chinese ruling circles prove when and how the
Chinese state took possession of the two archipelagoes of "Xisha" and "Nansha". The
Chinese authorities, however, have failed to provide an answer. They had to resort to a
general statement that "the governments of various Chinese dynasties had continuously
exercised their jurisdiction over these two archipelagoes", and with a view to proving that,
they have cited a number of events taking place during the whole period from the 11th to the
19th century, of which the following three are emphasized :
The first event: In the above-mentioned do*****ent of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign
Affairs, what follows is said to be an excerpt from Wujing Zongyao, a book written in the
reign of King Renzong (1023-1063) of the Northern Sungs : The Court "orders that royal
troops be dispatched to build and defend the bases of maritime patrol in Guangnan (i.e.
present day Guangdong)" and "that combat ships be built"... "if from, Tunmenshan one
avails oneself of the east wind and takes the southwest route one will reach Jiuru Lozhou in
seven days." The Chinese Foreign Ministry do*****ent considers Jiuru Lozhou to be the
"Xisha archipelago" and concludes that "The Court of the Northern Sungs had placed the
Xisha archipelago under its administration and that "Chinese naval units had patrolled the
area of the Xisha archipelago".
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In fact, the original Wujing Zongyao had this to say about the abovementioned
event:
"...Orders that royal troops be dispatched to build and defend the bases
of maritime patrol in the Eastern and Western sea-habours, which are 280
truongs (41) in width, and which are about 200 li from Tunmenshan (42), and that
warships be built"... "If from Tunmenshan one avails oneself of the east wind
and takes the southwest route one will reach Jiuru Lozhou in seven days and
if proceeding further, one will reach Pulaoshan (in the Kingdom of Huanzhou (43)
within 3 days : and about 300 li further southwards from that point is Lingshandong
region. To the southwest of Ungshandong are the Kingdoms of Dashifu,
Sizi and Tianzhu (44) where no one had any idea of how long a voyage to these
Kingdoms would take" (45).
Clearly the above excerpt from Wujing Zhongyao mentions on the one hand
the order of the Court of the Northern Sungs on the establishment of bases for
maritime patrol in Guangzhou Harbour, and on the other hand describes the positions
of these bases and the sea-routes from Guangzhou to the Indian Ocean, and
not a single line of the afore-said passage suggests that Chinese naval units made
patrol tours to the vicinity of the "Xisha" archipelago. The do*****ent of the Chinese
Foreign Ministry, indeed, re-arranges the words of the quoted passage (which
are here-above quoted) with no other aims than serving the expansionist design
of the Chinese authorities with regard to the Hoang Sa archipelago (46).
The second event: The do*****ent of the Chinese Foreign Ministry mentions
the astronomical surveys conducted by the Yuan dynasty in the "South Sea" to
conclude that "the Xisha archipelago lies within Chinese territory under the
Yuan".
Nevertheless, in Yuanshi, the official history of the Yuan dynasty, the astronomical
surveys conducted during the early years of the Yuan dynasty are describes
as follows :
"The measurements of shadows cast by the sun in the Four Seas were carried
out at twenty-seven points including Kaoli in the East, Tianchi in the West, Zhuya
in the South and Tiele in the North."

in here: THE HOANG SA AND TRUONG SA VIETNAMESE TERRITORIES - Di?n ?àn Hoàng Sa

In addition, you know that Wiki is an open page, so you cannot trust in its information because anyone can write anything in it!
 

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As long as you use the word battle I have nothing more to comment on your crappy stories. Soldiers fought and lost in a battle. It's better than be killed by sailing a merchant boat. Don't you think? What are you trying to prove here? Terriroty islands or rocks belong to who claimed first. You should have learnt this from schools.
Read more your own Chinese sources:
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4cf54dc001009i7i.html~type=v5_one&label=rela_prevarticle

Vietnam landed first into Johnson South Reef, there were 43 Viets men , and most of them are combat engineers (also known as "sapper" - soldiers especially trained for non-combat mission ). Then China landed 58 armed marines over there , heavy armed as you saw in the video. The Chinese shouted in front of Viets men : Here is Chinese territory ! All Viets men, get out of here right now !

Viets men didn´t leave the reef, and China marines immediately killed a Viets officer (Tran Van Phuong) by AK47, and wounded a Viets combat engineer (Nguyen Van Lanh) by bayonet , when they attemped to prevent the Chinese marines from lowering the Viets flag. But not yet the end, the armed Chinese marines then left the reef at a distance so far enough as planned (by motor boats that they used before to land themselves), and China destroyers started firing by 25MG at the Viets on the reef at a distance of about 300m.

Guy, 1988 - both sides didn´t announce a declaration of war. Your guys are murders !
 

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Viets sources : In order appointed to 2 ships : HQ-505 and HQ-604 are 70 combat engineers from 83rd Engineer-Brigade and 22 marines from 146th Navy-brigade

Phối hợp với hai tàu 604 và 505 có 70 công binh thuộc Trung đoàn 83, bốn tổ chiến đấu 22 người thuộc Lữ đoàn 146,
~~~> for the transport ship HQ-604 by Johnson South Reef : over 10 Viets marines and about 40 Viets combat engineers. They landed first on the Reef and set 3 Viets flags.

Do you think that at a distance of 1000 km to your Hainan island (undermost coast line of China) , those tiny Viets men can threat your China mainland or your Peking capital ? and they set so many Viets flagpoles on your own territory ?
 

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Maybe you should learn the basic facts of the battle of Johnson's Reef.

1) Vietnamese solderis had already planted their flag. Chinese sent 40 marines to bring it down. They got into a fire fight and the Chinese retreated back to their boats.
Due to Viets sources : There were about 40 armed Chinese marines that had been landed.
But acorrding to the China sources i have shown : 53 armed Chinese marines had been landed.

53 armed China marines vs. 43 Viets combat engineers and marines (over 10 Viets marines among them ).

Why had the China marines left the Reef first ? Or they were scary that the 25mm MG and 37mm AAA from their own frigates could wound them ?

What those brave soldiers ! They have AK47 in the hand but not courage enough to fight face to face confront with the Viets unarmed engineers on that reef !

In Tibet, their polices killed unarmed Tibetian monks and in Spratley theirs heavy frigates killed unarmed Viets engineers.
 

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The Paracel Islands, part of China, is within 350 nm.
If they want to claim 350nm then they will have to submit it to the UN and get it approved. The North Western Paracel chain may be a legitimate claim by China, but anything closer to Vietnam would be theirs.

What I don't know exactly is if that constitutes a right, ?
Some of Vietnam's Spratly claims are within their 200nm EZ and the rest are within 250nm. China is trying to double their extension beyond any UN limits allowed. Malaysia and Vietnam have worked out seperating their claims and have joint development projects. Phillipeans are the only ones with a real claim that can't come to an agreement.

but then, what claim does Vietnam have besides the Spratly Islands being run by the French prior
Looking at alot of post WWII colonial ruled partitions, who makes the rules? The Allied powers did and that is recognised under UN law. After WWII, China was in no position to demand anything. It was by the good graces of the Allies they even had a country. When they signed the UN charter, they agreed to abide by the rules of body. If they can't do so then they have no place on the council.
 

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As you saw in the video : There are 3 Viets flag (2 plugged into the reef , left - right, in the middle is the one whose pole is plugged into the fonton of Viets).
That fonton carried material for constructing building on the reef.


Here are 3 flagpoles of Viets that they already prepare since last day (13/03/1988) after landing into the reef


Here are 2 Viets flags.

When the Chinese frigates started firing at the Viets in morning 14/03/1988 , there are only two flags (middle and right) left behind . The left one had been pulled down as result of the hand-fighting Viets engineers vs. Chinese marines. Then the Chinese left behind a Viets dead and a Viets seriously wounded and retreat from the the reef.
 

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False actually.

Paracel Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chinese cultural relics in the Paracel islands dating from the Tang and Song dynasty eras were found, which meant 618-1279 ad.

Vietnam can only trace a historical connection back to the 15th century.
It doesn't really matter who can trace a cultural connection. They were a French territory that was ceded to Vietnam after the signing of the 1954 Geneva Accords. Vietnam has submitted a claim to the UN which is valid and consistently protested by China but China does not submit their own claim. As long as China has a veto, Vietnam will never get their legit claim on the floor and China will never submit one because they know it will be denied. The only way to settle the issue is by compromise or acts of agression, China has decided to take the route of aggression and piracy. Vietnamese fishermen, by the hundreds, well into their EZ have been tortured by Chinese forces and sunk their boats.

Ph?n ??i hành ??ng vô nhân ??o c?a Trung Qu?c v?i ng? dân Vi?t Nam - S? ki?n trong ngày - Dân trí
 

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Do you think that at a distance of 1000 km to your Hainan island (undermost coast line of China) , those tiny Viets men can threat your China mainland or your Peking capital ? and they set so many Viets flagpoles on your own territory ?
You are wrong . I´have checked on Google earth : From Spratly island to the undermost line of Hainan island is 1078 km far , not just 1000 km :thank_you2:
 

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No bull, Mr. Lenin. You should know the basic facts:
1) Chinese soldiers were on the rocks first with Chinese flags
2) Shown in the video are the soldiers of both sides, you can number them to see how many were there
3) Casualty caused to both sides and it was VG who started firing
4) The rocks were territory claimed by China even before CCP

5) What is a crime? Russians sank a Chinese merchant ship in May, 2009.
1/. Pls show me any Chinese source that confirms China landed first on the reef with Chinese flags ? or are you imagining ?
If China were there first , why could Viets land 43 men , so that 2 Chinese frigates must send boats with marines to the reef later ?

2/ The Chinese source i have shown : 43 Viets men and 58 landing Chinese marines.

And pls count in the video from right to left : 3 Viets flags with about over 40 Viets men !





3/ The Chinese marines left the reef with only one wounded, his name is Zhang ChiLang from frigate No. 502 . On Viets side : One dead , one wounded.

China got casualities 6 dead when her marines used motor boats to rush towards the Viets ship , then the Viets on the ships fought back
Some Chinese motor boats (in red circle) were floating in front of the Viets ship HQ-604


Those motor boats carried Chinese marines in combat attemping to capture the Viets ship , but the Viets on the ships fought back.

the Viets standing on their transport ship fought back against the Chinese marines on the rushing motor-boats by AK47, RPD, B-40, B-41 ... ,
Đối phương cho quân xông về phía tàu ta. Thuyền trưởng Vũ Phi Trừ đã bình tĩnh chỉ huy bộ đội trên tàu sử dụng các loại súng AK, RPĐ, B40, B41 đánh trả quyết liệt, buộc binh lính đối phương phải nhảy xuống biển trở về tàu của họ.
4/. Yes , so everywhere, even the moon, whose territory is claimed by China, Chinese mass army could be there and has right to massacre everyone they want to slaught ?

5/ 199,99 miles to the Russian coast , every presence of ship without Russia´s allowing could be sank !
 

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5) What is a crime? Russians sank a Chinese merchant ship in May, 2009.
Sic! Here your words:

"The VG government should not have encouraged fishmen to go there protesting. What can you expect from armed border guards? Offer you a cup of coffee with a few cookies?"

http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/asean-fareast/6353-china-navy-out-rob-money-off-fishermen-asia-sea.html

"Chinese are bosses of the world, so we can go anywhere without any permit and we can do what we like to do! Every one must pay your respect to us and we can show our butal behaviors to the world!"
 

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As long as you use the word battle I have nothing more to comment on your crappy stories. Soldiers fought and lost in a battle. It's better than be killed by sailing a merchant boat. Don't you think? What are you trying to prove here? Terriroty islands or rocks belong to who claimed first. You should have learnt this from schools.
I don't know who writes your school books, but they have a serious lack of factual information. The "battle" is given the name by Chinese, Vietnamese call it the "massacre." It was for your benefit the wording used since you have never heard of the massacre of Johnson's reef. The truth of the situation was a skirmish instigated by Chinese agression in an area they have no authority to claim. Chinese can buy plots on the moon, just because you claim it doesn't make the moon yours. People have to recognise your claims for them to become legitimate, and no one recognises Chinese claims except Pakistan.
 

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Vietnam set gunfire first , before China returned fire at them standing on the rock.

Let´s watch it again at 04:57 , some Vietnamese sailors from their ships suddenly set gunfire on our soldiers.So our ships as well as our soldiers standing on the rock returned gunfire at them.We just defended ourselves and had got 6 calsuality (dead) and 18 wounded


in addition, "da le, da le" means : attacked, attacked ! It means the fighting started before, and we must turn the fire back at them.
 

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Sic! Here your words:

"The VG government should not have encouraged fishmen to go there protesting. What can you expect from armed border guards? Offer you a cup of coffee with a few cookies?"
The Viets fishermen got bullets as Chinese guard´s offering , while the storm was breaking outside :tank:
 

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Vietnam set gunfire first , before China returned fire at them standing on the rock.

Let´s watch it again at 04:57 , some Vietnamese sailors from their ships suddenly set gunfire on our soldiers.So our ships as well as our soldiers standing on the rock returned gunfire at them.We just defended ourselves and had got 6 calsuality (dead) and 18 wounded

in addition, "da le, da le" means : attacked, attacked ! It means the fighting started before, and we must turn the fire back at them.
1/ The first opening fire had been already broken out before the frame 04:57 in the video posted. That happend due to the hand fighting between 53 Chinese marines and 43 Viets combat engineers and marines.
???????_????_????
使我登礁人数达到58人 .... 越军上礁人员共43
in the video below, posted by sina.com.cn , they confirm also : 58 Chinese marines were landed into the reef and 43 Viets sailors there
???? ???? 1988?3?14?_??_????

2/ Viets ship is much smaller than China´s frigate. That´s why it can directly approach the reef and landed its sailors without floating small motor boats, like the Chinese must done it then.


the video around 2:56 till 3:00 shown the Viets landed their sailors directly and firstly , without sending motorboats.

3/ Pls check the video from 04:15 till 04:29 to count the number of sailor men there : over 40 men , as the Chinese details : 43 Viets men landed over the Johnson South Reef with 3 Viets flags as i shown in the last posts. There were absolute no Chinese there.



And the Viets sat on their container that was puted down from their ship. That carried materials for making building on Johnson South Reef. They were sitting on the container , look like joining a camping trip , because there were still being NO Chinese marines there , so that the tension was not commited.

4/ Now i think you could easily count how many sailors were running over that rock.



The Chinese were NOT there. They had already left the reef, and left behind over 40 Viets men, among them one dead, one wounded.

If you think there were Chinese on the rock , where are their motor boats used for landing that should be floated around them by the reef after they landed ?
why are there so little sailors as you and everyone have count, even in fact : 58 Chinese + 43 Viets = total 92 on the rock ?


landing Chinese armed marines

The truth is : The Chinese left the Johnson South Reef in order as planned to open 25MG at the Viets men staying there.

东西宽仅200来米的赤瓜礁上,双方人员相距约100米,各自站成一列,双方枪  口对枪口,形成对峙,就在这几乎令人窒息的气氛中,一名越军士兵将一面越南国旗插在我军官兵面前的珊瑚礁上,水兵杜祥厚一把将越南国旗拔了下来,一名越军随即举枪瞄准,战友杨志亮出面掩护,就在这时枪响了!礁上的我军官兵立即开火还击,战士们按照预定方案迅速后撤,与越军拉开距离,以便舰炮发扬火力。
碧海扬军威,赤瓜礁上的枪声一响,越军604号武装运输船就立即以高射机枪向我礁上人员和502号舰扫射,
502号舰战士高义海头上的钢盔就被一发机枪子弹击中——此时正是上午8时47分10秒。“还击!”,
5/ The Viets were armed by AK47 , do you believe that AK47 firing at water surface could make a so high column water ?



6/ In the original clip, the Chinese representer said : Chinese navy got only one wounded as casuality, no one killed. In other side Viets got 200 killed. But if the Viets fired first as you shown, can the Chinese got only one wounded after that gun firing fiercely ?



7/ If you see some films about Korean War , you´ll heard the Chinese officers shout : "Ta le, Ta le" ("Da le, da le") as his order words to force his soldiers rushing forwars to attack the enemies.

8/ And the Chinese narrator said in the original one : "That Viets ship was aiming fire at our soldiers."



2 frigates (No. 502 and No.556) got closed the Viets ships HQ-604 but the Viets got starting fire , even all Chinese landing marines had already left the reef. If you believe that this ship was firing at your men, though the Viets are commiting suicide when they have got under equipped and under number of men but decide to set fire at the Chinese much out numbered in high equipped force.

And here is the frigate No. 556 of China, while firing at the Viets ship.


In this scene , the camera men standing on other ship , Chinese frigate No. 502. That why the Viets source wrote : two Chinese large frigate (No. 502 & No. 556) fired at their ship HQ-604 by Johnson South Reef.

Here are some other images of Chinese frigate No. 556 you have seen in the video


as the end of my post , in the viewing of the Chinese, those Chinese soldiers could be heroes , but in the eyes of the other outside in the world, they are murders. Getting machine guns fire on the undefensible men on the rock in the middle of ocean, 1078 km far from China mainland, that´s action of pirates !
 

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1/ The first opening fire had been already broken out before the frame 04:57 in the video posted. That happend due to the hand fighting between 53 Chinese marines and 43 Viets combat engineers and marines.
???????_????_????


in the video below, posted by sina.com.cn , they confirm also : 58 Chinese marines were landed into the reef and 43 Viets sailors there
???? ???? 1988?3?14?_??_????

2/ Viets ship is much smaller than China´s frigate. That´s why it can directly approach the reef and landed its sailors without floating small motor boats, like the Chinese must done it then.


the video around 2:56 till 3:00 shown the Viets landed their sailors directly and firstly , without sending motorboats.

3/ Pls check the video from 04:15 till 04:29 to count the number of sailor men there : over 40 men , as the Chinese details : 43 Viets men landed over the Johnson South Reef with 3 Viets flags as i shown in the last posts. There were absolute no Chinese there.



And the Viets sat on their container that was puted down from their ship. That carried materials for making building on Johnson South Reef. They were sitting on the container , look like joining a camping trip , because there were still being NO Chinese marines there , so that the tension was not commited.

4/ Now i think you could easily count how many sailors standind were running now on that reef.



The Chinese were NOT there. They had already left the reef, and left behind over 40 Viets men, among them one dead, one wounded.

If you think there were Chinese on the rock , where are their motor boats used for landing that should be floated around them by the reef after they landed ?
why are there so little sailors as you and everyone have count, even in fact : 58 Chinese + 43 Viets = total 92 on the rock ?


landing Chinese armed marines

The truth is : The Chinese left the Johnson South Reef in order as planned to open 25MG at the Viets men staying there.



5/ The Viets were armed by AK47 , do you believe that AK47 firing at water surface could make a so high column water ?



6/ In the original clip, the Chinese representer said : Chinese navy got only one wounded as casuality, no one killed. In other side Viets got 200 killed. But if the Viets fired first as you shown, can the Chinese got only one wounded after that gun firing fiercely ?



7/ If you see some films about Korean War , you´ll heard the Chinese officers shout : "Ta le, Ta le" ("Da le, da le") as his order words to force his soldiers rushing forwars to attack the enemies.

8/ And the Chinese narrator said in the original one : "That Viets ship was aiming fire at our soldiers."



2 frigates (No. 502 and No.556) got closed the Viets ships HQ-604 but the Viets got starting fire , even all Chinese landing marines had already left the reef. If you believe that this ship was firing at your men, though the Viets are commiting suicide when they have got under equipped and under number of men but decide to set fire at the Chinese much out numbered in high equipped force.

And here is the frigate 556. while firing at the Viets ship.


In this scene , the camera men standing on other ship , Chinese frigate No. 502. That why the Viets source wrote : two Chinese large frigate (No. 502 & No. 556) fired at their ship HQ-604 by Johnson South Reef.

Here are some other images of Chinese frigate No. 556 you have seen in the video




as the end of my post , in the viewing of the Chinese, those Chinese soldiers could be heroes , but in the eyes of the other outside in the world, they are murders. Getting machine guns fire on the undefensible men on the rock in the middle of ocean, 1078 km far from China mainland, that´s action of pirates !
maybe you can not know chinese ,so you draw such a wrong conclusion.

if you know it, you can know the dialogue very well in the viedo.

it is very clearly that it was Vietnamese fire the gunshot firstly,deliiberately or accidentally due to being too nervous.
anyhow, the first gunshot was not fired by chinese.

Vietnamese died more just because CHinese had made much more pareparation and equipped much better.
 

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maybe you can not know chinese ,so you draw such a wrong conclusion.

if you know it, you can know the dialogue very well in the viedo.

it is very clearly that it was Vietnamese fire the gunshot firstly,deliiberately or accidentally due to being too nervous.
anyhow, the first gunshot was not fired by chinese.

Vietnamese died more just because CHinese had made much more pareparation and equipped much better.
You think that the Viets shot firstly at the Chinese standing on the rock ?

So where are the Chinese motor-boats that carried the Chinese marines for landing ? (58 Chinese marines).

The Viets claim that China navy sent 3 motor-boats as you heard in the video.
I haven´t seen any motor-boats there when the fired got broken (except a container in the middle), because all the Chinese had left the rock.

And pls count the number of sailors on the reef at that time. If you mean there are Chinese marines together with Viets men there : 58 + 43 = total 92 men


i guess only over 30-40 men in this scene.
 

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it is very clearly that it was Vietnamese fire the gunshot firstly,deliiberately or accidentally due to being too nervous.
anyhow, the first gunshot was not fired by chinese.
It´s a pity that the first gunfire opened on the rock is not recorded on the video ( or the Chinese state medien didn´t show it in the original video that they released in March 2009).

You claim Viets fired first. The Viets claim China fired first. Which side is right ?

As i have shown according to analysing the video´s frame, Viets landed first , then China sent marines on motorboats to the Viets on the rock.

anyway, in fact, the Chinese left the rock with one wounded (Zhang ChiLang). Viets got one dead (Tran Van Phuong) , one wounded (Nguyen Van Lanh).

The conflict could be solved into the end but the Chinese decided then to choose a cold bloody mode to take control over this tiny rock.
 

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WASHINGTON - Supporters of Taiwan in the U.S. Congress pushed Nov. 20 for President Barack Obama to move toward selling arms to the island, a step that would almost certainly anger China.

Obama sought warmer relations with China on his maiden visit this week and is widely seen as reluctant to act soon on Taiwan's request to buy F-16 fighter-jets, which the island says it needs to modernize its aging fleet.

A bill sponsored by eight supporters of Taiwan in the House of Representatives would require the Obama administration to explain to Congress its plans on defense cooperation with Taiwan.

If approved, the bill would require Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Defense Secretary Robert Gates to provide "detailed briefings" to Congress on the issue within 90 days.

The measure was led by Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, the top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. She was joined by four Republicans and three lawmakers from Obama's Democratic Party.

A Republican congressman, Joe Barton, introduced a separate bill that would call on the United States to make a decision "based solely" on Taiwan's defense needs.

Beijing considers Taiwan, where nationalists fled in 1949 after losing the mainland's civil war to the communists, to be a province awaiting reunification, by force if necessary.

The United States in 1979 switched recognition from Taipei to Beijing. Obama reiterated on his visit that the United States believed there was only one China.

Congress, long Washington's hotbed of support for Taiwan, responded to the switch 30 years ago by approving the Taiwan Relations Act that requires the United States to provide the island with weapons of a defensive nature.

China angrily denounces such arms sales. It cut off military exchanges with the United States for months after the Bush administration in October 2008 unveiled a $6.5 billion arms package for Taiwan, which included Patriot missile defenses and Apache attack helicopters but not F-16s.

Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou, despite a conciliatory stance toward Beijing, has appealed to the United States for weapons, saying the island must stay on guard in light of the mainland's sharp rise in military spending.
 

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Taiwan concedes territorial waters near China

Taipei: The Taiwan government said on Monday it was not claiming the territorial waters around two small islands that have long been part of its frontline defence against political rival China.

Taiwan retains control over the tiny island chains of Kinmen and Matsu but does not claim the ocean around them, the Taiwan government said in a notice stating its position for the first time amid warming ties with Beijing.

China has claimed sovereignty over self-ruled Taiwan since 1949, when Mao Zedong's forces won the Chinese civil war and Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists fled to the island. Beijing has vowed to bring Taiwan under its rule, by force if necessary.But ties have warmed since China-friendly President Ma Ying-jeou took office last year, brokering landmark trade deals.

"It's all linked, improving relations with China, and then China helps Taiwan improve its economy, which will help Ma Ying-jeou get re-elected," said Lin Chong-pin, strategic studies professor at Tamkang University in Taipei.

Earlier this year, Taiwan began removing anti-ship barricades in Kinmen, also known as Quemoy, as part of a broader effort to demilitarise the islands. The barricades are rows of spikes rooted on cement bases to stop warships from landing troops.

China and Taiwan's outlying islands are as close as two kilometres from each other in the Taiwan Strait and have been patrolled by both sides without incident for decades, a government spokesman in Taipei said.Governments normally claim waters 12 nautical miles offshore

Taiwan concedes territorial waters near China - dnaindia.com
 

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