Should JnK map be redrawn within india?

[Pratap]

So India didn't inherit it, Kashmir acceded to India. All that it has not been technically ratified and more than half the territories are with Pakistan and China.

Atleast capitals Jammu and Srinagar are with us and so are people unlike Lahore and west Punjab which we lost completely.
Something is better than nothing.

 

[Singh]

@Pratap

Rise of Sikhs in 18-19th century was inconsequential because in 2014 Lahore and West Punjab (implies Eastern is with India) has gone to Pakistan.
Losing half of Kashmir is good because atleast the capitals are with us.



Well done Sir, you win teh internetz for today.

 

[Pratap]

@Pratap

Rise of Sikhs in 18-19th century was inconsequential because in 2014 Lahore and West Punjab (implies Eastern is with India) has gone to Pakistan.
Losing half of Kashmir is good because atleast the capitals are with us.



Well done Sir, you win teh internetz for today.

Nothing is inconsequential. Even if one man was saved and one woman's honor protected, it is a great thing. The point is about empires and their overall impact on India. The empire rendered some humanitarian services to oppressed people but is it not a fact that no long term impact was there? West Punjab is still many times larger than East ( and east owes nothing to empire so far as its inclusion in India is concerned)

Yes losing half of Kashmir is good than losing 90 percent of empires with capital Lahore( city founded by Lava son of Rama) to Jehadis. I can go to Kashmir and piss at Pak flag, can I or you do same in Lahore? No.
India controls entire Indus river system which is much better than any cities or some barren areas.

However, I agree that but for Sikhs, Dogras would have hard time getting Kashmir but then here we are entering into a cycle."But for" marathas, Mughal power would not have declined and Sikh empire could not have arisen and so on.

 

[Singh]

Nothing is inconsequential. Even if one man was saved and one woman's honor protected, it is a great thing. The point is about empires and their overall impact on India. The empire rendered some humanitarian services to oppressed people but is it not a fact that no long term impact was there? West Punjab is still many times larger than East ( and east owes nothing to empire so far as its inclusion in India is concerned)

Actually West Punjab is not many times larger than East Punjab

East Punjab Region measures about 150,000-180,000 Km2
West Punjab Region measures about 220-240,000 Km2

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Yes losing half of Kashmir is good than losing 90 percent of empires with capital Lahore( city founded by Lava son of Rama) to Jehadis. I can go to Kashmir and piss at Pak flag, can I or you do same in Lahore? No.

Facile argument. The antecedents of the monarchs hardly mattered in the final scheme of things as the whole country was under the British.

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India controls entire Indus river system which is much better than any cities or some barren areas.
However, I agree that but for Sikhs, Dogras would have hard time getting Kashmir but then here we are entering into a cycle."But for" marathas, Mughal power would not have declined and Sikh empire could not have arisen and so on.

The moot point being, if it weren't for the Sikhs, Kashmir would've been under Afghans as it had been for centuries previously and Dogras
esp Gulab Singh's branch family would've remained small players as they had been for centuries.

Don't forget Dogras were vassals of Mughals, became independent for a small time and later became vassals of Sikhs, and then became vassals of British.

 

[PredictablyMalicious]

LMAO @Singh is not even trying to hide his bias here. Good job @Pratap for forcing him into this position. I always wanted to see this.

 

[Simple_Guy]

Exactly. Some extremists like to portray their community as superior to other Indians.

If it hadn't been for Nadir Shah's invasion and destruction of Mughals in Punjab, Sikhs would have remained bit players paying tribute to the later Mughals.

They also owe a lot to the British. There would have been no liberation of northwest, if the British hadn't forced Ranjit to sign the Treaty of Amritsar in 1809.

The Treaty was contracted between the Jammu & Kashmir ruler and Tibet, and a representative of the Manchu court was present.

Minor correction. Raja Gulab Singh was ruler of Jammu+Ladakh+Baltistan at that time.

 

[PredictablyMalicious]

Exactly. Some extremists like to portray their community as superior to other Indians.

If it hadn't been for Nadir Shah's invasion and destruction of Mughals in Punjab, Sikhs would have remained bit players paying tribute to the later Mughals.

They also owe a lot to the British. There would have been no liberation of northwest, if the British hadn't forced Ranjit to sign the Treaty of Amritsar in 1809.



Minor correction. Raja Gulab Singh was ruler of Jammu+Ladakh+Baltistan at that time.

It's curious that Ranjit Singh adopted Persian as the official language of his kingdom and shunned his native language Punjabi. Ranjit Singh was trying to be another Mughal. He was not pro sikh or pro hindu. His kingdom was culturally a continuation of Mughal empire. Sikhs did not try to assert their culture over others. They persianized themselves as others before them had done.

 

[Simple_Guy]

Remembering the Dogra warrior Zorawar Singh

15th of April is celebrated as Zorawar Day by Jammu and Kashmir Rifles ( erstwhile J&K State Force ) to commemorate birth and success of legendary warrior who happens to be architect of present Jammu and Kashmir Rifles.

To recount Gen Zorawar Singh's achievements, a look to the East of Kishtwar is necessary. To its East were the snow-clad mountain and valleys of upper Himalayas. Several principalities of this region were tributary to the Gyalpo (King) of Ladakh. In 1834 one of these, the Raja of Timbus, sought Gulab Singh's help against the Gyalpo. Rajput General had been waiting for an opportunity to excel himself in warfare. The Rajputs of Jammu and Himachal had traditionally excelled in fighting in the mountains. Therefore Zorawar Singh had no problem in crossing the mountain ranges and entering Ladakh through the Suru River where his 5000 men defeated an army of local Botis.

Another challenge lay to the Northwest of Ladakh. The region was Baltistan which Zorawar Singh annexed with the help Ladakhi troops. Having consolidated Raja Gulab Singh's reign in the northwest, Zorawar Singh turned his energies Eastward, towards Tibet. As he had done in Ladakh, Zorawar Singh recruited the Baltis in his army. His force now comprised of men from the Jammu hills, Kishtwar, Ladakh and Baltistan.

12 December 1841 ended the saga of military adventures of Dogra warrior. Ex-servicemen and combatant units of JAK RIF remember the great warrior on 15 April every year to commemorate his glory.

 

[Singh]

Exactly. Some extremists like to portray their community as superior to other Indians.

If it hadn't been for Nadir Shah's invasion and destruction of Mughals in Punjab, Sikhs would have remained bit players paying tribute to the later Mughals.

They also owe a lot to the British. There would have been no liberation of northwest, if the British hadn't forced Ranjit to sign the Treaty of Amritsar in 1809.

Whatever the propitious circumstance Sikhs from being a persecuted community, became one of the most powerful community of NW India.

Minor correction. Raja Gulab Singh was ruler of Jammu+Ladakh+Baltistan at that time.

He was a feudatory of the Lahore Durbar at the time.

You can confirm that by reading history. And also esp by reading about the events in the winter of 1844 and spring of 1845.

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It's curious that Ranjit Singh adopted Persian as the official language of his kingdom and shunned his native language Punjabi. Ranjit Singh was trying to be another Mughal. He was not pro sikh or pro hindu. His kingdom was culturally a continuation of Mughal empire. Sikhs did not try to assert their culture over others. They persianized themselves as others before them had done.

Most of the orthodox Sikhs clergy call him a "Brahminzed" Ruler.
He had two wives, did opium, built mandirs, wore tilak etc.

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Remembering the Dogra warrior Zorawar Singh

One of the greatest and relatively unknown warriors of all time.

His Memorial still exists in Tibet

- Here is a photo of it copyright Amardeep Singh

Here is a photo of his pistol

Here is a video of his Pistol


If only reinforcements would've arrived or the letter from Maharaja Sher Singh would've reached him, he would've conquered much more land.

 

[PredictablyMalicious]

@Singh Sikhs rule!111 Punjab stronk!!111111

 

[Singh]

@Singh Sikhs rule!111 Punjab stronk!!111111

Delhi > Punjab. :thumb:

 

[PredictablyMalicious]

Delhi > Punjab. :thumb:

Neither has Kejriwal

 

[Singh]

Neither has Kejriwal

Kejriwal ki misaal mat de yaar
ab ki baar modi sarkar

 

[PredictablyMalicious]

That part is still better than Lahore capital of great empire.
Jammu is not hotbed of violence.

Punjabis with too much ganga jamuni tehzeeb always say "Jinne lahore nahi vekhya oh Jammeya nahi". I guess most of the world would prefer to not be born than see that islamic sh!thole

 

[Ray]

Whatever one may say, the Modi campaign was more imaginative and forceful than the Congress'.

 

[Ray]

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[Ray]

DFI men Singh chillaye 'Hoshiyar'
Ab ki baar, Modi Sarkar!

 

[PredictablyMalicious]

^

Modi memes are third rate just like Modi himself.

 

[Ray]

True.

There can be none better than the the Nehru Gandhis!

 

[Kaalapani]

^

Modi memes are third rate just like Modi himself.

You will see and run for cover after this elections.