Shooting incident at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newton, USA

[W.G.Ewald]

True. The dilemma is, since the US military, the most powerful in the world, already exists, do we need civilians to defend a free state? What is state here? Each individual state or the Union of the states? The other dilemma is, whether a "well regulated Militia" is still necessary to defend a free state today.

It has been claimed that those who wrote the Constitution believed The People should be able to protect themselves against The Government.

At the time, the states were much more powerful than the federal government, with their own militias.

The writings (outside of the Constitutuon) of the founders on the subject of the right of the people to bear arms need a different thread, and I will try to start one.

Not to detract from the almost unbelievable tragedy in Connecticut.

 

[Blackwater]

Work of a evil.

 

[rock127]

There seems to be so many psychopaths living in civilized humans who thinks nothing about taking innocent lives who had nothing to do with their own insecurities and troubles.

With highest # of people behind jail US needs to rethink seriously about its gun culture and crime rate.

It would be horrible to just think about the condition of parents of those children.

 

[Armand2REP]

Someone please put this fake news channel out of its misery.

 

[Singh]

This is a conspiracy to snatch weapons from the hands of the American people. Pretty soon, Crocodile Tears Obama would try to undermine the second amendment and before they know it, innocent civilians of America possessing weapons to protect themselves will be vilified and ultimately, their guns would be taken away. Make no mistake, this is a conspiracy in motion, just watch the chain of events which unfolds next in the US.

:tinfoil3:

I am not buying your theory to put it respectfully.

Do you have other links ?

 

[Rage]

There seems to be so many psychopaths living in civilized humans who thinks nothing about taking innocent lives who had nothing to do with their own insecurities and troubles.

With highest # of people behind jail US needs to rethink seriously about its gun culture and crime rate.

It would be horrible to just think about the condition of parents of those children.

The United States has the highest number of people in jail because they have the best law enforcement of any country in the world. Not because their people have some cached criminal predilection.

That said, the United States has to put in place some periodically evaluative system of correlating financial and psychological stability with continuing gun permits.

The United States is a country that cherishes the right to bear arms. And some have argued that that has actually contributed to lower crime rates than would have otherwise occurred, given the vast economic disparities.

For what it's worth, Connecticut has stricter arms control than many other states. But as this incident has amply demonstrated, at the cost of 26 young and innocent lives, bad sh!t can happen anywhere.

 

[Singh]

The United States has the highest number of people in jail because they have the best law enforcement of any country in the world.

Not because their people have some cached criminal predilection.

That said, the United States has to put in place some periodically evaluative system of correlating financial and psychological stability with continuing gun permits.

The United States is a country that cherishes the right to bear arms. And some have argued that that has actually contributed to lower crime rates than would have otherwise occurred, given the vast economic disparities.

For what it's worth, Connecticut has stricter arms control than many other states. But as this incident has amply demonstrated, at the cost of 26 young and innocent lives, bad sh!t can happen anywhere.

1. How do you define best law enforcement, by ability to prevent crimes or by ability to jail the maximum number of people ?

2. Does society, media, easy availability of guns, drugs etc. make people more prone to commit crime ?

3. Prisons are run by corprorations in the USA. How will it benefit them by not getting maximum number of people in jail ?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Officials release ID's of 26 victims killed when a gunman opened fire inside a Connecticut school | Fox News

The victims of the Connecticut school shooting were shot multiple times by rifle, the medical examiner said Saturday, and Dr. H. Wayne Carver said the deaths are classified as homicides. Police began releasing the identities of the dead.

Police said they had found "very good evidence" they hoped would answer questions about the motives of the 20-year-old gunman, described as brilliant but remote, who forced his way into the school and killed 26 children and adults in one of the world's worst mass shootings.

Lt. Paul Vance said Saturday morning that the suspect was not voluntarily let into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.

Investigators were trying to learn more about the gunman, Adam Lanza, and questioned his older brother, who is not believed to have been involved in the rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary.

Lanza shot his mother, Nancy Lanza, drove to the school in her car with at least three guns, including a high-powered rifle that he apparently left in the back of the vehicle, and shot up two classrooms around 9:30 a.m. Friday, law enforcement officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Connecticut school shooting: Massacre gunman shot each child between three and 11 times | Mail Online

CHILDREN:

Charlotte Bacon, 6

Daniel Barden, 7

Olivia Engel, 6

Josephine Gay, 7

Ana Marquez-Greene, 6

Dylan Hockley, 6

Madeleine Hsu, 6

Catherine Hubbard, 6

Chase Kowalski, 7

Jesse Lewis, 6

James Mattioli, 6

Grace McDonnell, 7

Emilie Parker, 6

Jack Pinto, 6

Noah Pozner, 6

Caroline Previdi, 6

Jessica Rekos, 6

Avielle Richman, 6

Benjamin Wheeler, 6

Allison N. Wyatt, 6

ADULTS:

Rachel Davino, 29

Dawn Hochsprung, 47

Anne Marie Murphy, 52

Lauren Russeau, 20

Mary Sherlach, 56

Victoria Soto, 27

 

[IBSA]

Majority of victims were female.

I dont know if this was accidental or if he chose girls to fire on.

Last year in Rio de Janeiro city, Brazil, there was a school massacre, that the serial killer murdered 13 childrens, majority of girls too.

At that time, it was speculated that the killer was muslim, because in his computer was found many videos of Al Qaeda, but in actuality he was a Jehovah Witness.

The shooter motivation, however, it was not religious, but psychological troubles. Former classmates of him said that he suffered bullying of girls while he studied in that school, and turn back years later 'to revenge'.

Here in Brazil, guns are prohibited. He bought the gun on dark market.

In the end it is so much madness to explain fully the school attack here.

Realengo Massacre

 

[bose]

Very hard to believe when such incidents happens in a civilized world... How can a person kill small school kids ??

 

[blueblood]

It is obvious that 2nd Amendment was framed when weapons were single shot, before handguns with 13 rnd magazines. It is a dilemma.

13rd handguns? You tube is filled with people firing ARs with 100rd Beta C Mags.

 

[spikey360]

:tinfoil3:

I am not buying your theory to put it respectfully.

Do you have other links ?

Links? None.
This is merely a theory. If it is correct or not can only be answered in retrospective.
However, if you are familiar with the theme of documentaries like Zeitgeist and conspiracy theories regarding NWO, then whatever events will follow this shooting will not surprise or shock you.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

What happened to that kid who shot these children? Is he dead or alive?

 

[Phenom]

He's dead, he shot himself.

The Modus operandi of most shooters seems to be to kill as many as possible and to kill themselves.

 

[hit&run]

My heart cry for the Kids; who had been alive by now, getting more and more excited everyday for nearing Christmas.

venom spewing mode on:

I am pleased that he killed his gun freak mother who took him to firing range many an times.

You live by your loaded gun, you will face the same loaded gun.

I read a quote unquote many years back, 99% Americans are 100% idiots. The attitude of these Gun owners in America seems (go to youtube and see how they take their kids for hunt and how their kids hunt animals) irrational, bravado and erratic to me.

USA should adopt commonwealth firearm laws as ASAP.

I am sorry I am sad and pissed off today...

 

[Blackwater]

very sad incident,little kids was targeted.

It is said the boy had personality disorder ,what we say in hindi, ""Bhoot a gaya uske ander"".

Must be Pakistani bhoot which can think of this evil act

 

[W.G.Ewald]

13rd handguns? You tube is filled with people firing ARs with 100rd Beta C Mags.

That too, of course. The initial news reports said he had 2 Glocks. Now the medical examiner says the victims were killed with a Bushmaster.

 

[Rage]

1. How do you define best law enforcement, by ability to prevent crimes or by ability to jail the maximum number of people ?

Neither. I define it as an organized system comprising several things, some of which are legal and police-related, but many of which are socio-cultural: including but not limited to police response times, total: reported and estimated (cognizable & unregistered and unreported) crime statistics, police per capita, resources invested: particularly in the technological aspects of advanced surveillance, recon and criminology, efficiency and rates of resolution of criminal investigations, rates of prosecution, expediency of court verdicts, criminal legislation and rational use and application of intrusive powers for search, seizure, and interception given to an LEA as well as the host of organizations and norms that exist to dissuade a wide variety of criminal and non-criminal violations.

2. Does society, media, easy availability of guns, drugs etc. make people more prone to commit crime ?

Sure, it does. But the most important among these are society and the media. Do you doubt, for example, that the easy availability of guns has led (reported and un-reported) crime statistics in Bihar to soar beyond comprehension? What do you make of the comparison between average per-capita crime rates in a state like Bihar vs. average per-capita crime rates in a state like Texas given the disparate levels in per-capita gun availability? Next, what do you make of average per-capita crime rates in the city of New York vs. average per-capita crime rates in a state like Texas, given the disparate levels in per-capita availability of guns?

3. Prisons are run by corprorations in the USA. How will it benefit them by not getting maximum number of people in jail ?

That would imply a covert nexus between the criminal justice (and legal) system in the US and the prison management corporations. Or at the very least, an undermining of the former entity by the latter. If you can prove that conclusively (by which I mean an exposition of the charting of [state or federal] criminal justice legislation by vested U.S. corporate interests) I'd be happy to believe that.

 

[Rage]

*I should mention that the Bihar I am talking about, is the Bihar before Nitish, which has changed in everything except in terms of per-capita gun availability.