Shame: Pakistan again in match fixing quagmire

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What a bunch of morons were the two anchors were. Glad that there are still people to correct these idiots. I think Pakistani media should bring in better anchors and media persons with good knowledge if it really wants to play the fourth foundation of the nation.
 

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Pakistan's corrupt society has led to a history of match-fixing allegations

It is only natural that cricketers – or some of them at least – should reflect the society from which they come.

Pakistan's corrupt society has led to a history of match-fixing allegations
Allegations: Pakistan's manager Yawar Saeed and assistant manager Shafqat Ranan read the claims News of the World newspaper Photo: REUTERS

And Pakistan is, and has been almost throughout its existence, riddled with corruption.

England supporters – and westerners in general – may tut-tut and disapprove of Pakistan, from its cricketers who have been implicated in match-fixing over more than two decades to its president, Asif Zardari, who chose to flaunt his wealth while the country he is supposed to rule was flooded. But, uncomfortable truth be told, Britain and the United States have complied with the governments of Pakistan in the basic form of corruption which pervades the country and derails society.

The military takes most of the country's wealth, leaving far too little money to fund civilian society: a euphemism for saying the state does not provide its people with schools and hospitals or any real social care.

In his book Pakistan – Eye of the Storm, the former BBC correspondent Owen Bennett-Jones wrote: "Between 1947 and 1959 up to 73 per cent of Pakistan's total government spending was devoted to defence. The average for the period was 60 per cent." And nothing had changed by the last time that England's cricketers toured Pakistan at the end of 2005. The British High Commission then estimated that Pakistan's military – including the notorious Inter Service Intelligence – took 70 per cent of government spending for itself. No doubt official disapproval has been expressed, in private, but the aid has continued to pour in from Britain and the US without sufficient strings attached.

Anyone growing up in such a country therefore sees the state doing nothing for its people, feels no loyalty to the state in return, and makes what money he can for himself. And it is very difficult for someone in Pakistan, if not quite impossible, to make a decent living by honest means: what money there is does not go where it should but into official pockets.

My first experience of this was on England's 1977-8 tour of Pakistan. The Raj left behind some lovely hotels, Dean's, Flashman's, Faletti's, and they were all run down, apparently unrenovated since Partition. The money which the Pakistan Tourism Development Corporation received from government never went into the hotels which it owned.

For cricketers growing up amid corruption, the temptations are increased by Pakistan being the neighbours of India. Indian cricketers are well paid by their board, and lavishly sponsored. Pakistan players have always been poorly paid by their board, and sponsorship has never made good the difference as the country does not have the industry and private-sector economy which India has.

Pakistan's dressing room is unusual. The first language is not English and Muslim prayers are said and Ramadan, as now, observed. It has been hierarchical too. Traditionally the captain has lorded it over his team, like Imran Khan or Inzamam ul-Haq. The junior player has to conform, without allowance for individualism, if he is not to be dropped.

Not surprisingly, cricket match-fixing first reared its head in Pakistan. The inquiries by Justice Qayyum, even though the penalties were watered down by Pakistan's government to reduce international embarrassment, and by India's Central Bureau of Investigation, chronicle some of the nefarious activities which spread from 1980.

It was partly human greed that was the driving force, as well as the inequality of Pakistan society. But understandable human weakness was at play too. If you were a cricketer who worked part-time for a bank that collapsed, and some of the people whom you had persuaded to open accounts at that bank wanted their money back, and fast, or else your family would suffer: what would most of us do?

As Lord Condon, the first head of the International Cricket Council's Anti Corruption and Security Unit, told us earlier this year in a rare interview: the bad boys know perfectly how to entrap. Down the slippery slope the young cricketer goes, accepting the odd gift, and then money, in return for more and more important information, until he is one of the boys. And he is only following the example of his seniors, if not betters.

Sexual entrapment has been used as well. There is no going back to an honest life if you have taken the money, or if you have been photographed in a compromising position in a Dubai hotel. Especially for players from a Muslim country.

And it is not like the good old days of the 1820s when Lord's was not so much the home of cricket as of gambling, and dodgy fellows/lovable rogues propositioned players – or rather Gentlemen and Players – as they went in and out of the pavilion.

The trail leads from corrupt cricketers through middlemen back to the biggest mafia bosses in south Asia, to men who have cut their teeth – and more than a few throats – in the Bollywood film industry. To men who are number one on Wanted lists. In them cricket has met its match.
 

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what nonsense...a generator ?

could have atleast said that he wanted to buy house, atleast it would have been more believable.
 

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Hi Nitesh, thanks for the interest in the post.

Ok so before expounding on anything let me reiterate my stance: India is NOT responsible for Pakistani players being cheats just as India isn't responsible for some Pakistanis being terrorists. Blaming external causes does not serve as a valid excuse (I take bribes because India keeps me out of the IPL or I'm a terrorist because India...) Such "arguments" shouldn't even be entertained in civilized society.

Having said that, let's consider a couple of facts:
  • Lack of economic opportunity leading to corruption is a universal human trait independent of race, ethnicity, nationality etc. So in this regard Pakistanis aren't an exception.
  • National politics aside, there is a huge discrepancy in the wealth distribution system when it comes to athletes. Pakistan produces some of the greatest cricketers (established fact), who are unfortunately disbarred from access to equitable economic opportunity only because of their misfortune of having been born in Pakistan. Again, not an excuse, but certainly a factor that explains the persistent trend of corruption (which is unlikely to stop on its own)
India's role:
The game of cricket is clearly in the hands of India now, bringing with it huge benefits. But at the same time it also falls upon the Indian cricket establishment as the leaders to promote and retain the value of the sport (mostly for its own interest as the largest consumer). The value of cricket has two major components (among many other things): 1) Integrity of the game and 2) Competitive international cricket.
Like it or not, Pakistan is a big contributor to international cricket because of its uncanny ability to produce incredibly talented players. Unfortunately it is glaringly evident that these young kids do not (and will never) receive guidance and mentorship in Pakistan required to become responsible sportsmen. The consequence is that the integrity of the sport is jeopardized and there's a huge loss of talent which decreases the overall value of the sport.
Now if India were to open its doors to young/emerging cricketers from poor nations and/or invest in their cricketing infrastructure*, it may reduce the possibility of such disasters. I am also certain that these kids will receive far better direction and exposure in addition to economic benefits which will serve as a deterrent to shameless corruption. And most of all it will add value to Indian cricket.

*This does not only apply to Pakistan, I have for the longest time been a proponent of India investing heavily in Caribbean cricket. This of course is a separate topic altogether so I won't talk about it here.
Thanks for replying mate: colored portions :)

1. pakistan produces incredibly talented players who are talented in ball tempering.
2. The money given to them is there responsibility, not any of us, and it's now our responsibility to keep this cancer away from civilised society.
3. Agree with you on training players. But this should be strictly not from pakistan, god knows how many terrorists will try to sneak in using these facilities
 

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Hi Nitesh, thanks for the interest in the post.

Ok so before expounding on anything let me reiterate my stance: India is NOT responsible for Pakistani players being cheats just as India isn't responsible for some Pakistanis being terrorists. Blaming external causes does not serve as a valid excuse (I take bribes because India keeps me out of the IPL or I'm a terrorist because India...) Such "arguments" shouldn't even be entertained in civilized society.

Having said that, let's consider a couple of facts:
  • Lack of economic opportunity leading to corruption is a universal human trait independent of race, ethnicity, nationality etc. So in this regard Pakistanis aren't an exception.
  • National politics aside, there is a huge discrepancy in the wealth distribution system when it comes to athletes. Pakistan produces some of the greatest cricketers (established fact), who are unfortunately disbarred from access to equitable economic opportunity only because of their misfortune of having been born in Pakistan. Again, not an excuse, but certainly a factor that explains the persistent trend of corruption (which is unlikely to stop on its own)
India's role:
The game of cricket is clearly in the hands of India now, bringing with it huge benefits. But at the same time it also falls upon the Indian cricket establishment as the leaders to promote and retain the value of the sport (mostly for its own interest as the largest consumer). The value of cricket has two major components (among many other things): 1) Integrity of the game and 2) Competitive international cricket.
Like it or not, Pakistan is a big contributor to international cricket because of its uncanny ability to produce incredibly talented players. Unfortunately it is glaringly evident that these young kids do not (and will never) receive guidance and mentorship in Pakistan required to become responsible sportsmen. The consequence is that the integrity of the sport is jeopardized and there's a huge loss of talent which decreases the overall value of the sport.
Now if India were to open its doors to young/emerging cricketers from poor nations and/or invest in their cricketing infrastructure*, it may reduce the possibility of such disasters. I am also certain that these kids will receive far better direction and exposure in addition to economic benefits which will serve as a deterrent to shameless corruption. And most of all it will add value to Indian cricket.

*This does not only apply to Pakistan, I have for the longest time been a proponent of India investing heavily in Caribbean cricket. This of course is a separate topic altogether so I won't talk about it here.
i think it is way-way more than just the economic factors, which is just one aspect. how many bangladeshis do we take in IPL where these players can mint money, hardly any, how many zimbabweans do we take in IPL, and from other such poor countries but those names still dont prop up in any of the scandals.

its not me claiming but a former british PM suggesting 75% of all the terror attacks happening across the globe trace back to pakistan/pakistanis, their best knows export to the world.
that country is a known terror hub, small kids there are not given books to read but guns to kill people, it is only today that when those guns targeted the paks did they see the danger, till all this time when those guns were pointing to the indians they were more than happy to support it by making donations. a few books that are handed out are full of hatred for india.
they have the highest number of riots happening in any country in a year.
what one sees as a result of all these happenings is their coach gets beaten up with a bat, they end up in innumerable scuffles in pubs/discs/restaurants or within themselves. they are seen as the most indisciplined lot of all the cricketing community.

wikileaks confirms what indians have always maintained and that is that pakistanis are feeding both sides on the WoT, a fact reiterated by the the present british PM. americans/west feed the pakistanis, and if one is to find the most anti-american people in the world they are all there in pakistan.
a certain sohail tanvir or a certain shahid afridi draw their inspirations from this, they abuse the same indians who feed them with millions of dollars each year.
since their elites are double faced so cheating came naturally to them, ball tempering, match fixing, spot fixing all came naturally to their cricketers.

this country is one of the most corrupt country in the world, they were not so long back listed as the most corrupt, the same thing one sees in their cricket team. almost all their players are looking for that extra money to be made.

honor for the country? their politicians, their generals, their bureaucrats, their judges have all sold their souls, so what difference does it make to them, playing for the pride for the nation was never their priority. it was only to further personal interests, something they learnt from their elites.

pakistan is the country from where a good amount of drugs trade happens, no wonder most of their players are alleged to be on drugs.

to run the affairs of their country, to make sure the country sustains and is not bundled out they look to outside powers to do that for them, there the americans come to their rescue, in cricket they look to india to make sure they are not chucked out, and ironically it is the same india that paks hate the most that comes to their rescue, because had it not been for india these chaps would have been a past tense a long time back.

their generals do coup on their own people, their cricketers do it on their successive captains. they made sure that pathan chap was thrown out and not just from being a captain but also from the team, and same has been done so many times in the past.

they have a pseudo democracy which is quite literally run as per the whims and fancies of their generals, similarly their cricket is run. the chairman will not be ever elected through a ballot but will be appointed by the ruling party in government who in turn will appoint the selectors. captain will be of the liking of the chairman, and if that is not the case he will be dismissed, just like the way if the government off the day is not performing as per the will of the generals the government will be dismissed under various pretext.

pakistan cricket team is nothing but a true reflection of its society, it is just the way they have been and it is just the way they are. a concept which failed tremendously just as their experiment with cricket keeps failing from time to time, and so a pakistani who resides overseas takes pride in being called a resident of that country rather than a pakistani, to the extent some of them find solace in being called an indian. something really went wrong somewhere for pakistan, their cricket team is no different.
 

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Thanks for replying mate: colored portions :)

1. pakistan produces incredibly talented players who are talented in ball tempering.
2. The money given to them is there responsibility, not any of us, and it's now our responsibility to keep this cancer away from civilised society.
3. Agree with you on training players. But this should be strictly not from pakistan, god knows how many terrorists will try to sneak in using these facilities
1. Hate on Pakistanis all you want but you can't deny that they produce great players who do more than just ball tampering.
2. Define "our"
3. That sounds a bit paranoid mate. Cricket is one thing that has stayed away from terrorism when it comes to India and Pakistan. There would be no harm nor foul for India to open its doors and attract talent from all over the world including Pakistan.

Cricket is no longer a nationalist's sport, it is a marketable commodity and by default the responsibility of value retention and value addition to said commodity falls upon India.
 

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I wonder how many nations are helping other nations in competitive sports. Cricket is not charity and BCCI has got this position by its earning;thanks to Indian those who love this sport. BCCI and Indian deserve such privileges and all is fair. We have seen white supremacy in cricket for many decades and if someone like India is in a position to dictate on genuine terms which ultimately has Improved the Brand (prove me wrong) then why for every controversy India has to be blamed. There are black sheeps in every cricket council but why people are envy of BCCI is beyond my comprehension to understand.
Its not a complicated neurophysiology or rocket science to understand and assume much to a nauseating analysis. If Pakistani players are acting like losers how ICC or BCCI has any thing to do with it. Also to note that they are serial offenders and culture of defying rule is evident in many players, specially Asif whose bowling was once mine favourite but he opted to do my dogie things in his short career.
 

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1. Hate on Pakistanis all you want but you can't deny that they produce great players who do more than just ball tampering.
2. Define "our"
3. That sounds a bit paranoid mate. Cricket is one thing that has stayed away from terrorism when it comes to India and Pakistan. There would be no harm nor foul for India to open its doors and attract talent from all over the world including Pakistan.

Cricket is no longer a nationalist's sport, it is a marketable commodity and by default the responsibility of value retention and value addition to said commodity falls upon India.
great cricketer? who cheat, it is not one test ICC is now investigating 80 matches, cricketer who take drugs, use Vaseline to get reverse swing, killed there coach, then all the best for pakistani cricket
 

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Notwithstanding how great cricketers the Pakistanis are, it is unfortunate that they surface with all the wrong things that are happening in the world of cricket.

It would be rather obtuse to justify it on mere commercialism or whatever.

What is wrong and incorrect cannot be made into being acceptable.

I believe some 78 matches are to be investigated.

Sad state of affairs!
 

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i think it is way-way more than just the economic factors, which is just one aspect. how many bangladeshis do we take in IPL where these players can mint money, hardly any, how many zimbabweans do we take in IPL, and from other such poor countries but those names still dont prop up in any of the scandals.

its not me claiming but a former british PM suggesting 75% of all the terror attacks happening across the globe trace back to pakistan/pakistanis, their best knows export to the world.
that country is a known terror hub, small kids there are not given books to read but guns to kill people, it is only today that when those guns targeted the paks did they see the danger, till all this time when those guns were pointing to the indians they were more than happy to support it by making donations. a few books that are handed out are full of hatred for india.
they have the highest number of riots happening in any country in a year.
what one sees as a result of all these happenings is their coach gets beaten up with a bat, they end up in innumerable scuffles in pubs/discs/restaurants or within themselves. they are seen as the most indisciplined lot of all the cricketing community.

wikileaks confirms what indians have always maintained and that is that pakistanis are feeding both sides on the WoT, a fact reiterated by the the present british PM. americans/west feed the pakistanis, and if one is to find the most anti-american people in the world they are all there in pakistan.
a certain sohail tanvir or a certain shahid afridi draw their inspirations from this, they abuse the same indians who feed them with millions of dollars each year.
since their elites are double faced so cheating came naturally to them, ball tempering, match fixing, spot fixing all came naturally to their cricketers.

this country is one of the most corrupt country in the world, they were not so long back listed as the most corrupt, the same thing one sees in their cricket team. almost all their players are looking for that extra money to be made.

honor for the country? their politicians, their generals, their bureaucrats, their judges have all sold their souls, so what difference does it make to them, playing for the pride for the nation was never their priority. it was only to further personal interests, something they learnt from their elites.

pakistan is the country from where a good amount of drugs trade happens, no wonder most of their players are alleged to be on drugs.

to run the affairs of their country, to make sure the country sustains and is not bundled out they look to outside powers to do that for them, there the americans come to their rescue, in cricket they look to india to make sure they are not chucked out, and ironically it is the same india that paks hate the most that comes to their rescue, because had it not been for india these chaps would have been a past tense a long time back.

their generals do coup on their own people, their cricketers do it on their successive captains. they made sure that pathan chap was thrown out and not just from being a captain but also from the team, and same has been done so many times in the past.

they have a pseudo democracy which is quite literally run as per the whims and fancies of their generals, similarly their cricket is run. the chairman will not be ever elected through a ballot but will be appointed by the ruling party in government who in turn will appoint the selectors. captain will be of the liking of the chairman, and if that is not the case he will be dismissed, just like the way if the government off the day is not performing as per the will of the generals the government will be dismissed under various pretext.

pakistan cricket team is nothing but a true reflection of its society, it is just the way they have been and it is just the way they are. a concept which failed tremendously just as their experiment with cricket keeps failing from time to time, and so a pakistani who resides overseas takes pride in being called a resident of that country rather than a pakistani, to the extent some of them find solace in being called an indian. something really went wrong somewhere for pakistan, their cricket team is no different.
I think you're conflating many different points and drawing rather over generalized conclusions. Yes the Pakistani society has many problems stemming from a complex web of factors. And the effects of these problems are virulent in nature and a menace to humanity at large. This however falls beyond the scope of this thread which deals with the ongoings of cricket. I'm not ready to endorse a large generalization of the Pakistani cricket team being representatives of their cumulative failure in existential philosophy and morality

As far as cricket goes, lets not forget that the situation wasn't all that different for the Indian national team until a decade ago (before economic opportunity started emerging). Corruption, match fixing, bribes, rigging bets... all of this was very much part of the Indian cricketing culture as it was for Pakistan. Also let's be cognizant of the fact that the whole sordid betting industry in question is based in India, run by Indians, for other Indians. The Pakistani players and shady middlemen are nothing more than peons. The faulty deduction of equating poor behavior to being representative of an entire nation and culture can also be applied to India, a society and country which also has a long history of oppressive corruption.

But here too we're digressing.
 

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1. Hate on Pakistanis all you want but you can't deny that they produce great players who do more than just ball tampering.
Well what i stated is a fact, you just can not deny that, there "great players" name was included in those news.
2. Define "our"
Civilized world

3. That sounds a bit paranoid mate. Cricket is one thing that has stayed away from terrorism when it comes to India and Pakistan. There would be no harm nor foul for India to open its doors and attract talent from all over the world including Pakistan.
Well are you trying to pretend that you don't know anything? Haven't you heard lot of people came for watching cricket have not returned. You haven't heard of talibagi jamat having good hold on Pakistani cricketers?

Cricket is no longer a nationalist's sport, it is a marketable commodity and by default the responsibility of value retention and value addition to said commodity falls upon India.
Yes this can be discussed
 

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The pakistani players who were earlier implicated and banned then quitely came back in the team.
So the players have a feeling that even if they are caught nothing will happen

It is a cultural thing.In Pakistan corruption has deeply affected each and every walk of life .No institution is free from it

There was a LIVE news discussion on TV in which Sanjay Manjrekar said that ,his sources have told him that Pakistani players talk in this way " Abey kuch nahi hota. Sab karte hain."

It means that nothing will happen and every body does it So it is OK

Since this is the attitude we should not be surprised.
 

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The pakistani players who were earlier implicated and banned then quitely came back in the team.
So the players have a feeling that even if they are caught nothing will happen

It is a cultural thing.In Pakistan corruption has deeply affected each and every walk of life .No institution is free from it

There was a LIVE news discussion on TV in which Sanjay Manjrekar said that ,his sources have told him that Pakistani players talk in this way " Abey kuch nahi hota. Sab karte hain."

It means that nothing will happen and every body does it So it is OK

Since this is the attitude we should not be surprised.
Hardly suprising specially cosidering that their national psyche is now totally tolerant to a conniving and scheming approach in every fora in the world. Look at their thinking and tactics in any front and you come up with the same consistent undercurrent of conniving and scheming.

They have in the past tasted success with this method in every front and the world simply let them get away gleefully. But now that the bluffs are being called, I am sure that every such incident is a straw on the Camel's back. Imagine the effect this will have on the nation's international credibilty. Anyone who continues to help them either needs to have a very large heart or a very big objective!!!!
 

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I think you're conflating many different points and drawing rather over generalized conclusions. Yes the Pakistani society has many problems stemming from a complex web of factors. And the effects of these problems are virulent in nature and a menace to humanity at large. This however falls beyond the scope of this thread which deals with the ongoings of cricket. I'm not ready to endorse a large generalization of the Pakistani cricket team being representatives of their cumulative failure in existential philosophy and morality

As far as cricket goes, lets not forget that the situation wasn't all that different for the Indian national team until a decade ago (before economic opportunity started emerging). Corruption, match fixing, bribes, rigging bets... all of this was very much part of the Indian cricketing culture as it was for Pakistan. Also let's be cognizant of the fact that the whole sordid betting industry in question is based in India, run by Indians, for other Indians. The Pakistani players and shady middlemen are nothing more than peons. The faulty deduction of equating poor behavior to being representative of an entire nation and culture can also be applied to India, a society and country which also has a long history of oppressive corruption.

But here too we're digressing.
every cricketing nation has some problem or the other, there are black sheep to be found but the numbers are not as significant, india was/is no different.

pakistan as a country is in a rot to a large extent so is their cricket and there is no denying that and the news that has so far has just trickled down is supposed to be just the tip of the ice berg, and i am sure since bbci has interests in protecting the pcb that is all we will come to know with sharad pawar at the helm of the icc.

i am not generalising, never did i say that every pakistani palyer represents what i wrote in the post, just the way i dont brush every pakistani with the same paint, there are certain people who want to do the good for that country but are undermined, just the way a certain younis khan wanted to cleanse that team but was chucked out. it is not me sighting that if cricket was to be taken out of pakistan all that most paks would end up doing would be train to be a terrorist, it was the same genuinely concerned yuonis khan who sighted that when pakistan was left with no international cricket. i am sure he as a pakistani understands the state of affairs of pakistan better than you and i do, he certainly has a first hand experience of things o how they function in pakistan and if that statement is anything to go by then there is a lot of cause of concern.

betting is a business, a bookie is supposed to run his business and not think about the morality of it and that is what he does. he will go to any such place where he can make money. if he is an indian it hardly matters, what concerns is who are the people who are ready to party with the loyalty for the game, because had these people not been ready to back stab the game that they say is their true love then these bookies would have else where looked for the business.

imagine fingers are being pointed out at 7 of the 11 pakistani players, and this is what one bookie is saying, imagine if 10 were to be lined up. the dawood syndicate makes its most money when pakistan is playing and they dont go wrong and now the other bokkies are feeling cheated, there must be some reasons why that happens.

why is it that pakistan and pakistanis are found in everything where the wrong is happening, and cricket was no different.
 

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I think you're conflating many different points and drawing rather over generalized conclusions. Yes the Pakistani society has many problems stemming from a complex web of factors. And the effects of these problems are virulent in nature and a menace to humanity at large. This however falls beyond the scope of this thread which deals with the ongoings of cricket. I'm not ready to endorse a large generalization of the Pakistani cricket team being representatives of their cumulative failure in existential philosophy and morality
What matters here is that the team is representative of a system which is again akin to the Military-feudal structure in Pakistan which is in effect representative of the whole country (surely the poor families drowing in Larkana is not what I am trying to allude to here because they are in no way representative of anything in Pakistan). That system has consistently shown that it does not think it is necessary to redeem itself. Faltering is acceptable when only an anomaly (is that not what faltering is), however, once the thought process is consistent on going down the wrong road and consider it rewarding, there is surely a problem.

As far as cricket goes, lets not forget that the situation wasn't all that different for the Indian national team until a decade ago (before economic opportunity started emerging). Corruption, match fixing, bribes, rigging bets... all of this was very much part of the Indian cricketing culture as it was for Pakistan. Also let's be cognizant of the fact that the whole sordid betting industry in question is based in India, run by Indians, for other Indians. The Pakistani players and shady middlemen are nothing more than peons. The faulty deduction of equating poor behavior to being representative of an entire nation and culture can also be applied to India, a society and country which also has a long history of oppressive corruption.

But here too we're digressing.
Surely there was a failure in India, arising out of a simple fact that Cricket is a high involvement game including monetary involvement and couple that with the fact that gambling in all forms is illegal in India. So we found that the crooks found a way to get around it and there were necessary steps taken to correct the system by all concerned administrations in India. With the kind of money involved, the South Africans, the Austrlians, the British and also the West Indians were also lured and later on reprimanded by their individual boards. That said, there is no gaurantee that the game is clean in India even now, but what the actions of banning players + legal steps did was to clearly indicate that involvement in fixing of any type is not the acceptable form of cricket values in India. And the results have been vastly different than what we have seen with our friends.

Regarding the system being run by Indians, that is not totally correct. If the Pakistanis look in to a certain "Clifton" locality in Karachi, they might find the guy who started it all. But then, he does not exist there.... does he.... may be ask Javed Miandad.... his daughter in law might know better....
 

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