Scotland names independence day

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Not just Northern Ireland but even Wales could take a leaf from Scottish independence movement.
 

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Northern Ireland may start up again if this goes thru?
The histories of Ireland and Scotland are much different in regard to independence from England.

If only in the amount of blood spilt since 1795.

BBC - History - British History in depth: The 1798 Irish Rebellion

BBC - History - British History in depth: The 1798 Irish Rebellion

O see the fleet-foot host of men, who march with faces drawn,
From farmstead and from fishers' cot, along the banks of Ban;
They come with vengeance in their eyes. Too late! Too late are
they,
For young Roddy McCorley goes to die on the bridge of Toome
today.

Oh Ireland, Mother Ireland, you love them still the best
The fearless brave who fighting fall upon your hapless breast,
But never a one of all your dead more bravely fell in fray,
Than he who marches to his fate on the bridge of Toome today.

Up the narrow street he stepped, so smiling, proud and young.
About the hemp-rope on his neck, the golden ringlets clung;
There's ne'er a tear in his blue eyes, fearless and brave are
they,
As young Roddy McCorley goes to die on the bridge of Toome
today.

When last this narrow street he trod, his shining pike in hand
Behind him marched, in grim array, a earnest stalwart band.
To Antrim town! To Antrim town, he led them to the fray,
But young Roddy McCorley goes to die on the bridge of Toome today.

The grey coat and its sash of green were brave and stainless then,
A banner flashed beneath the sun over the marching men;
The coat hath many a rent this noon, the sash is torn away,
And Roddy McCorley goes to die on the bridge of Toome today.

Oh, how his pike flashed in the sun! Then found a foeman's heart,
Through furious fight, and heavy odds he bore a true man's part
And many a red-coat bit the dust before his keen pike-play,
But Roddy McCorley goes to die on the bridge of Toome today.

There's never a one of all your dead more bravely died in fray
Than he who marches to his fate in Toomebridge town today;
True to the last! True to the last, he treads the upwards way,
And young Roddy McCorley goes to die on the bridge of Toome today.
 
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Battle of Culloden - Jacobites, Enlightenment and the Clearances - Scotland's History

Battle of Culloden
On 16 April 1746, on Drummossie Moor overlooking Inverness, a well supplied Hanoverian army led by the Duke of Cumberland (son of King George II) annihilated the much smaller army of Lord John Murray and the leader he mistrusted, Prince Charles Edward Stuart.

This was the bloodiest of all the Jacobite battles. It was also the last battle fought on British soil.

Charles Edward Stuart's choice of rough, marshy ground was catastrophic, and the Jacobite swords and daggers were no match for the Hanoverian cannon and guns. More than a thousand Jacobites were killed and around 300 Hanoverians died. The battle itself was over in an hour. The bloody aftermath went on for weeks.

One of the many myths of this event is that it was a Scottish versus English affair. In fact, far more Scots supported and fought on the Hanoverian side than on the Jacobite.
 

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An adherent of Prince Charles Edward Stuart ("Bonnie Prince Charlie") was Flora McDonald.

Flora McDonald's lament
She emigrated with her husband and her two sons in 1774 to North Carolina where they settled as farmers. Her husband fought in a regiment of Royal Highland emigrants at the start of the American war of Independence, in 1776, was captured and then expelled to Nova Scotia, where they lived for a time.

She returned to her native Skye in 1779, leaving behind her husband, her two sons (and her name to be given to a hamburger chain). During the passage, the ship was attacked by a privateer. She refused to leave the deck during the attack and was wounded in the arm.

When she died at Kingsburgh on the Isle of Skye, in 1790, at the age of 68, over three thousand people attended her funeral. She is buried at Kilmuir on Skye and there is a statue to her memory in Inverness.
Dr Johnson's epitaph on her grave reads thus: "Flora McDonald, Preserver of Prince Charles Edward Stuart. Her name will be mentioned in history and, if courage and fidelity be virtues, mentioned with honour."
 

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I am surprised Scotland makes this claim before northern Ireland, who have
Suffered for decades.
 

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Half of the population of Northern Ireland will fight to the death to keep the Union with the UK. A united Ireland is impossible - even if the English wanted it.
 

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Half of the population of Northern Ireland will fight to the death to keep the Union with the UK. A united Ireland is impossible - even if the English wanted it.
A Pole speaking on behalf of Irish?
 

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A Pole speaking on behalf of Irish?
WHy not? He's, probably, Roman Catholic and, unlike most users on this forum, doesn't post hate filled idiocy about subjects he knows nothing about.
 

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What would be the impact if Scots come out of GB or UK ? What about Wales ?
the number of foreign visitor will decrease in vast number , scotland is also a land with better stock of natural resource and places which attracts tourists as well as the number of tax payer will decrease for uk
 

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Half of the population of Northern Ireland will fight to the death to keep the Union with the UK. A united Ireland is impossible - even if the English wanted it.
this thread is about scotland,and ireland achieved homerule way back in 20 century
 

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So is scotland free or still part of England
Scotland, England, Northern Ireland and Wales are separate countries in a Union called the United Kingdom, they have distinct laws and governments to an extent.
What all the countries don't have is complete rights to raise and spend taxes or a separate currency.

Scotland joined -at its own request - with England after Scotland bankrupted itself trying to build a Scottish Empire in South America (The Darian Scheme http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme ). Scotland's king became King of Scotland and England and English money was used to pay Scotland's debts.

This allowed Scotland to help build the British Empire - the prime reason Scotland wanted the Union with England and politically they became deeply involved in British politics. Many Prime ministers have been Scottish (Tony Blair, Gordon Brown etc)

this thread is about Scotland,and Ireland achieved homerule way back in 20 century
Northern Ireland is still part of the Union, the people there are descendants of Scotland. The Scots built the industry of Northern Ireland and if you look at a map you can see why - they are next to each other over a small stretch of sea.

The English/Irish were in Dublin, which is now the capital of Ireland.
 
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