Saudi King reported 'clinically dead'

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Normally I wouldn't endorse this, but given Saudi role in Afghanistan and Syria, and the violence and bloodshed it has caused the world over, that comment seems apt.

I closely followed event leading upto the execution of Najibullah (and his brother) in Afghanistan. I must say, the dead King isn't going to Heaven for sure.
I saw him hanged! I was just passing by the spot though.

Najib's execution was more due to his stupidity than anything related to the Wahabis. He refused to be evacuated because he thought the Taliban wouldn't kill him, being from the same ethnic group and all.
 

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Normally I wouldn't endorse this, but given Saudi role in Afghanistan and Syria, and the violence and bloodshed it has caused the world over, that comment seems apt.

I closely followed event leading upto the execution of Najibullah (and his brother) in Afghanistan. I must say, the dead King isn't going to Heaven for sure.
He's not going, because he isn't dead.
 

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I saw him hanged! I was just passing by the spot though.

Najib's execution was more due to his stupidity than anything related to the Wahabis. He refused to be evacuated because he thought the Taliban wouldn't kill him, being from the same ethnic group and all.
You would agree that Najib got the offer to evacuate from Tajiks Rabbani and Massoud and some years back they were bitter enemies fighting to kill each other.

I guess that his "stupidity" was more distrust and he believed in the "tranquility" of UN compound too bad in ended bad for him.

It was a brutal execution though.
 

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You would agree that Najib got the offer to evacuate from Tajiks Rabbani and Massoud and some years back they were bitter enemies fighting to kill each other.

I guess that his "stupidity" was more distrust and he believed in the "tranquility" of UN compound too bad in ended bad for him.

It was a brutal execution though.
 

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You were just passing by? Please tell us about yourself.
Nothing really to tell. I was just a kid back then, passed through the square where they hung him.
How long did they leave him up there?
I saw him a couple of days later, so probably for a while.
You would agree that Najib got the offer to evacuate from Tajiks Rabbani and Massoud and some years back they were bitter enemies fighting to kill each other.

I guess that his "stupidity" was more distrust and he believed in the "tranquility" of UN compound too bad in ended bad for him.

It was a brutal execution though.
Well, he had zero leverage of any kind by that time; but hindsight is 20/20.
 

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I saw him hanged! I was just passing by the spot though.

Najib's execution was more due to his stupidity than anything related to the Wahabis. He refused to be evacuated because he thought the Taliban wouldn't kill him, being from the same ethnic group and all.
The Afghanistan story is full of backstabbers - sorry, I don't mean any offense to you.

First, Abdul Rashid Dostum was allied with the Soviets and Najibullah, but later switched sides. Many in the Afghan government, as well as the Afghan army had switched sides on many occasions.

Secondly, the Jozjani militia also fought against Najibullah, who had later offered him refuge. He, of course, did not trust his former enemies.

Ahmad Shah Masood was the only guy who stuck to his principles, but he was always anti-Najibullah and anti-Soviet, so taking refuge with him was out of the question.

I doubt Najibullah would have trusted the Taliban, given the number of Taliban his secret service KHAD had killed.

He remained only because it was the UN compound.

India gave shelter to his family, but Najibullah reportedly said that if he were to die, he would die in Kabul. He asked, why should he run if he hadn't done anything wrong?
 

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He's dead again.

PressTV - Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah clinically dead: Report says

A Saudi journalist working for London-Based Asharq Alawsat says the Saudi monarch has been clinically dead since Wednesday.

He also quoted medical sources in Saudi Arabia as saying that the king's vital organs, including his heart, kidneys and lungs, have stopped functioning.

Doctors are said to have used a defibrillator on him several times. He is also reported to be alive with the help of a ventilator.

The Royal Court has yet to comment on the report of King's death. The aging Saudi monarch has not recently appeared in the public and the country's crown prince is attending official meetings on behalf of him.

It is the second time in the past months that Asharq Alawsat reports the death of King Abdullah.

In November 2012, the daily reported that Saudi king has slipped into coma and was clinically dead nearly a week after he underwent a 14-hour-long back surgery in a hospital in the Saudi capital, Riyadh.
 

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@W.G.Ewald meanwhile obama is busy selecting the next puppet/monarch rather than giving respect to the marines
 
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@W.G.Ewald meanwhile obama is busy selecting the next puppet/monarch rather than giving respect to the marines
If Obama has such influence with Saudi royal family it would be news to me.

Besides, I thought Bush was the Saudi's pal. :)
 
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If Obama has such influence with Saudi royal family it would be news to me.

Besides, I thought Bush was the Saudi's pal. :)
Bush, obama etc are all faces, the power behind them remains the same.

if the president was truly independent obama would have closed down guantanamo bay or he lied about it, i choose to believe the former.
 

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The Struggle for Power in Saudi Arabia

As the gerontocratic rulers of the House of Saud plot to appoint successors, the inside fight to lead the kingdom is heating up.

RIYADH — With the reign of King Abdullah in its twilight, Saudi Arabia has become consumed with speculation about the future of the ruling al-Saud brotherhood as it contends with an increasingly bloody Syrian civil war, a nuclear challenge from Iran, and doubts about U.S. steadfastness in the Middle East.

Abdullah, who has been the dominant figure in Saudi politics since 1995, is in very frail health. The king, who is roughly 90 years old, has made no public appearances for almost four months, and left at the end of May for vacation in Morocco. He only cut his holiday short this past weekend, returning to Riyadh to attend to the fallout from the increasingly bloody civil war in Syria.

Despite his age and frailty, Abdullah has been busy preparing the House of Saud for his departure from the political scene. He has appointed younger princes to key ministries and as governors to the most important provinces, made one half-brother a contender for the throne, sacked another, and weeded out the weakest aspirants among the younger al-Saud princes. Such a sweeping shakeup of the staid ruling family has even included moves to make his own son a prime contender for the throne.

The leadership turnover couldn't come at a more critical time for the kingdom. Saudi leaders have been deeply anxious about the waning of American leadership in the Middle East -- including the U.S. commitment to the kingdom's protection -- just as their confrontation with Iran is coming to a head. This Saudi-Iranian cold war is most evident in Syria, where Tehran strongly supports Bashar al-Assad's besieged regime and Riyadh is supporting the armed rebellion seeking to overthrow it.

Meanwhile, King Abdullah's remaining energies have been focused on remaking the House of Saud's own leadership. The upheaval continued right up to his departure for Morocco: On May 27, Abdullah decreed that the Saudi Royal National Guard, a powerful military force that he commanded for decades, was to become a full-fledged ministry -- and that his son, Miteb, 61, would be the new minister. These moves give Miteb more political clout to compete with other rivals for the throne from the younger generation of al-Sauds.

The whirlwind of new appointments has left Saudi citizens and veteran watchers of the House of Saud grasping for meaning in the king's zigzag maneuverings. It has also raised concerns about a destabilizing power struggle among the younger princes, and questions whether the process of king-making is about to change dramatically. But so far, the smart money is betting that he's preparing to hand the throne to one of his half-brothers, delaying the transfer of power to the "younger" generation as long as possible.

If that holds true, it isn't going to please President Barack Obama's administration, which has been pressing for younger blood to rule the kingdom and accelerate reforms. It rolled out the red carpet for the newly minted Interior Minister Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, 53, for his four-day visit to Washington in January, setting up separate meetings with Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, national security advisor Tom Donilon, and other high-ranking U.S. officials. This was taken among Saudis as a signal that Washington favored Mohammed as the next king.

Washington has good reason to look fondly on Mohammed: The prince is not only from the younger generation, but he was the architect of the highly successful Saudi campaign in the mid-2000s to crush al Qaeda inside the kingdom. He also became a family hero after an audacious terrorist attack against him inside his own palace in August 2009, in which a suicide bomber gained a meeting with the prince (after promising to surrender) and then detonated himself. Mohammed escaped miraculously with only slight injuries.

But Prince Mohammed isn't seen as the likeliest candidate to become the next crown prince. Both Abdullah and Crown Prince Salman, 77, seem ambivalent about whether the time is ripe to pass power from their generation to the next. The brotherhood of senior princes has stuck together with impressive cohesion on the right of one brother to follow another to the throne. Over the past 81 years, the crown has passed five times in this fashion. Now, however, only two of the sons of the kingdom's founder, Abdulaziz bin Saud, still appear viable.

If that trend holds -- which it has for 81 years -- the Saudi "chattering class" gives a better-than-even chance that Prince Ahmed, the youngest of the powerful "Sudairi Seven" brothers at 71 years old, will emerge the winner. That would represent a remarkable turnaround for Ahmed: The king fired him as interior minister last November, after appointing him only five months earlier. However, Ahmed still retains much support within the fractious al-Saud family, according to Saudis in both royal and diplomatic circles.
 

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