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It's a land based RWR. Meaning it has antennas that try and detect emissions from aircraft, like radar emissions, jamming emissions or communications emissions.

It requires the enemy to emit, so it can detect. If the target doesn't emit or if the aircraft's antennas are significantly superior, then this system is rendered useless. There are plenty such systems around the world.
I think most or Entire Aircrafts will emit Radar waves for Searching targets and Transmitting waves to base

Matter is Which System is Superior may get fly over the Radar

Any Successful detection history about land based RWR ..I think Iran is New to this tech
 

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I think most or Entire Aircrafts will emit Radar waves for Searching targets and Transmitting waves to base

Matter is Which System is Superior may get fly over the Radar

Any Successful detection history about land based RWR ..I think Iran is New to this tech
Quality of the antenna systems matter a lot. If Russian antennas are being questioned today (among civilian analysts), then forget about Iran.

Iran is not new to the tech, it is over 40 to 50 years old and the Russians have had it deployed for decades now. If Iran designed such a system then they must have been operating such systems since a long time.

Whether there was successful detection or not, let me remind you that this system has nothing to do with 4th gen or 5th gen aircraft. It cannot differentiate between a F-16 and a F-22, it only detects signals, it can even pick up your phone signals. It is simply a receiver and even your phone has it. The only thing that is different is the software where the Iranian system will reject mobile signals and accept other signals while your cellphone will reject other signals and accept only mobile signals. Overall analysts would be surprised if the Iranians managed to develop anything more sophisticated than your cellphone's solid state antenna.
 

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Hollande to Netanyahu: We will take tough stance on Iran


France will take a tough stance when negotiating with Iran over its nuclear program and would expect tough concessions from the Islamic Republic, French President Francois Hollande said Friday.


In a phone call to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Hollande stressed that France was waiting to see if Iranian President Hassan Rouhani's recent remarks regarding his willingness to halt uranium enrichment in return for the easing of Western sanctions will be "translated into actions," AFP reported.

In a series of interviews with European media outlets Thursday, Netanyahu said that if the international community lifts sanctions on Iran without ensuring the guaranteed end to uranium enrichment, Europe and the rest of the world will face hundreds of nuclear weapons in the hands of a "murderous" regime.

"If the sanctions are eased," Netanyahu warned, "[Tehran] will get everything they want and we, as a collective, will get nothing."

"Don't tell me I didn't warn you. It's important to emphasize that this isn't an Israeli issue. It's also your concern," he added.

In recent weeks, Iran has begun negotiating directly with the US over its nuclear program and severe sanctions imposed by Western powers. On Wednesday, The Wall Street Journal reported that Iran will offer to limit its production of nuclear fuel in exchange for an easing of international sanctions. Tehran will reportedly make the offer at a conference of the P5+1 world powers, slated to take place next week in Geneva, that diplomats hope will mark a new chapter in Western relations with Iran, officials familiar with the upcoming talks said.

Iran is expected to offer "to stop enriching uranium to levels of 20% purity, which international powers consider dangerously close to a weapons-grade capability," agree to ship its stockpile of nuclear fuel to a third country for storage, open its nuclear facilities to more thorough international inspections, and close the enrichment facility near Qom.

Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz called Iran's reported proposal a "joke."

Late Wednesday, Israeli TV reported that the US and Iran were making significant progress toward a deal that would aim to keep Iran two to three years from a nuclear weapons capability.

Hollande to Netanyahu: We will take tough stance on Iran | The Times of Israel
 

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Bush to Jewish leaders: I don't trust Iran on Israel

Former US president George W. Bush told a Jewish gathering that he did not trust the Iranian regime to change its intentions toward Israel

"I will not believe in Iran's peaceful intentions until they can irrevocably prove that it's true," Bush told the 1,200 guests at the gala of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, according to several people in attendance. "The United States' foreign policy must be clear eyed and understand that until the form of government changes in Iran, it is unlikely that their intentions toward Israel will change."

Bush's appearance had not been publicized, and attendees were asked not to record or tape Bush's comments.

Bush, Obama and Netanyahu all praised the Conference of Presidents for its work in supporting Israel and strengthening the US-Israel relationship. Attendees said that Bush thanked Conference leaders for always being professional, knowledgeable and respectful of the office of the presidency, even when there were disagreements over tactics.

Bush to Jewish leaders: I don't trust Iran on Israel | The Times of Israel
 

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Report: Iran may be month from a bomb


Iran could produce enough weapons-grade uranium to build a nuclear bomb in as little as a month, according to a new estimate by one of the USA's top nuclear experts.


Iran could produce enough weapons-grade uranium to build a nuclear bomb in as little as a month, according to a new estimate by one of the USA's top nuclear experts.

The new assessment comes as the White House invited Senate staffers to a briefing on negotiations with Iran as it is trying to persuade Congress not to go ahead with a bill to stiffen sanctions against Iran.

"Shortening breakout times have implications for any negotiation with Iran," stated the report by the Institute for Science and International Security. "An essential finding is that they are currently too short and shortening further."

David Albright, president of the institute and a former inspector for the U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency, said the estimate means that Iran would have to eliminate more than half of its 19,000 centrifuges to extend the time it would take to build a bomb to six months.

The Obama administration has said Iran is probably a year away from having enough enriched uranium to make a bomb.

Bernadette Meehan, an NSC spokeswoman for President Obama's National Security Council, said the intelligence community maintains "a number of assessments" regarding potential time frames for Iran to produce enough weapons-grade uranium for one weapon or a testable nuclear device.

"We continue to closely monitor the Iranian nuclear program and its stockpile of enriched uranium," Meehan said.

World powers are seeking an agreement "that ultimately resolves all of the international community's concerns about Iran's nuclear program," she said. "The ultimate goal is a comprehensive agreement that is credible, transparent, and verifiable."

In the report, Albright said negotiations with Iran should focus on so-called "breakout" times, or the time required to convert low-enriched uranium to weapons-grade.

Albright, who has testified before Congress, said the negotiators should try to find ways to lengthen the breakout times and shorten the time that inspectors could detect breakout. ISIS' analysis is based on the latest Iranian and United Nations reports on Iran's centrifuge equipment for producing nuclear fuel and its nuclear fuel stockpiles.

Iran's stockpile of highly-enriched uranium has nearly doubled in a year's time and its number of centrifuges has expanded from 12,000 in 2012 to 19,000 today.


Sen. Mark Kirk, an Illinois Republican whose Senate Banking Committee is considering legislation to tighten Iran sanctions, said the report shows that Iran is expanding its nuclear capabilities under the cover of negotiations.

"The Senate should move forward immediately with a new round of sanctions to prevent Iran from acquiring an undetectable breakout capability," he said.

The White House has said new sanctions legislation should wait while current negotiations — scheduled to resume officially in Geneva next month — are moving forward.

The White House said Thursday it will continue consulting with Congress "so that any congressional action is aligned with our negotiating strategy as we move forward," said Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for President Obama's National Security Council

However, Iran has blocked international inspectors from some suspected nuclear facilities to verify they are being used for peaceful purposes, access required under international agreements it has signed.

ISIS estimated in October 2012 that Iran could produce enough highly-enriched uranium for a bomb within two to four months

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French ambassador to Israel: It is our duty to prevent a nuclear Iran


French Ambassador to Israel Patrick Maisonnave arrives in Tel Aviv "¢ "It is not a calm and tranquil river," he says of Israel-France relations, but still a strong and beneficial one "¢ On Geneva: The Iranians have come with serious proposals.

The new French ambassador to Israel, Patrick Maisonnave, landed in Tel Aviv the day after his fiftieth birthday. The French Foreign Ministry arranged an ideal change of scenery for the new ambassador. The impressive-looking Maisonnave chose to come here, as he is familiar with the complicated -- some would say love-hate -- relationship between France and Israel.

Israel Hayom | French ambassador to Israel: It is our duty to prevent a nuclear Iran


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U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Sunday tried to reassure America's Arab friends that the United States will not allow them to be attacked "from outside," in an apparent warning to Iran.

He specifically mentioned Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Jordan and Egypt as nations, alongside unspecified "others," that the U.S. will defend. Those others likely would include Israel, the strongest U.S. ally in the region.
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Hopes Rise for Iran Nuclear Accord Soon 'Very Bad Deal'
Hopes rise for Iran nuclear deal soon amid 'intense' talks - CNN.com



Geneva, Switzerland (CNN) -- Western diplomats and Iran appear to be inching toward a breakthrough agreement that could slow the Middle Eastern nation's suspected progress toward a nuclear bomb while easing some sanctions that have hobbled its economy.

Top diplomats from the United States, France, Great Britain and Germany rushed to Geneva on Friday to see if they could close the deal, which has emerged suddenly after years of frustrating stalemates and Western suspicions of Iranian cat-and-mouse games with international weapons inspectors.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov may join them on Saturday, Russia's state-run Ria Novosti news service reported. China's foreign minister is also headed to Geneva, according to Press TV.

The planned arrivals Saturday of those officials suggested negotiations were unlikely to conclude with a deal Friday night, as the chief Iranian negotiator -- Prime Minister Javad Zarif -- had earlier predicted.

"The negotiations have reached (a) critical, very sensitive situation, and it needs decisions at higher levels," Deputy Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi told reporters in Geneva.

The emerging deal would ease some sanctions on Iran if it stops enriching uranium to 20% purity -- a key step on the path to a nuclear weapon -- destroys its existing stockpile and takes other steps, according two senior U.S. administration officials.

For years, international leaders have suspected Iran of working toward nuclear weapons, fearful of the instability such a scenario could bring to the already tense Middle East.

Those fears include the possibility of a pre-emptive Israeli strike that could spark a broader conflict. In the past, Iran has threatened Israel with military attack.

Iran has denied working toward a nuclear weapon, and has said it will not submit to any plan that would totally eliminate its nuclear program.

Despite those issues, Zarif said a deal is within reach.

"We are at a very sensitive stage of negotiations, and it is best if these negotiations are done at the negotiating table rather than on live television," he told CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "But I can tell you that we are prepared to address some of the most immediate concerns that have been raised, and we expect reciprocally our concerns to be met by the P5+1."

He had earlier predicted the talks could produce a deal by Friday night.

U.S. official: We think Iran wants a nuclear deal -- and fast

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is not involved in the talks, warned that the proposed agreement is "the deal of a century for Iran" but a "very dangerous and bad deal for peace."

"It's a very bad deal," he said. "Iran is not required to take apart even one centrifuge. But the international community is relieving sanctions on Iran for the first time after many years. Iran gets everything that it wanted at this stage and pays nothing."

British Prime Minister David Cameron tweeted Friday that he had discussed the talks with French President Francois Hollande and they agreed the talks "offer an opportunity to make real progress."

Separately, the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations' atomic watchdog agency, announced its director will travel to Iran on Monday to meet senior Iranian leaders. The agency's nuclear experts will meet the same day with their Iranian counterparts in Tehran, the agency said.

Despite the progress, officials said much work remains to be done.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said "some important gaps" remain in the negotiations, echoing earlier comments from his French counterpart, Laurent Fabius.

"There have already been advances but I must express that there are still agreements to be made here," he said as he went into a meeting with EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton in Geneva.

U.S. officials outline possible deal

Two senior U.S. administration officials said that, under the potential deal, Iran would agree:

-- to stop enriching nuclear fuel to 20% purity;
-- to render unusable most of its existing stockpile of such fuel;
-- to agree not to use advanced IR-2 centrifuges, which can enrich nuclear fuel five times faster than older centrifuges;
-- not to activate a plutonium reactor at Arak.

In turn, the P5+1 would agree:

-- to unfreeze some Iranian assets held in banks overseas;
-- to consider easing sanctions banning trade in gold, precious metals and petrochemicals.

Other sweeteners were also under consideration, they said.

One of the officials said the deal is designed to "stop Iran's progress by stopping the shortening of time by which they could build a nuclear weapon" while also providing temporary, reversible sanctions relief to Iran.

That official cautioned the deal is not done, but said it could happen if the Iranians agree to the P5+1's demands.

Most sanctions to stay in place

Speaking to NBC on Thursday, Obama said the United States would retain its "core sanctions" in place against Iran while granting "very modest relief" from economic sanctions.

"So that if it turned out during the course of the six months when we're trying to resolve some of these bigger issues that they're backing out of the deal, they're not following through on it, or they're not willing to go forward and finish the job of giving us assurances that they're not developing a nuclear weapon," Obama told NBC, "we can crank that dial back up."

Broader implications

The strategy of pursuing a phased deal "is a sensible way for the administration to proceed," said Nicholas Burns, former U.S. ambassador to NATO.

And if it works, reaching a deal with Iran would be "stunning," said Jane Harman, director of the Woodrow Wilson Center and a former member of the House Intelligence Committee.

"This is way beyond the initial deal that people speculated about," she said on CNN's "New Day" on Friday.

"If this can work, if they can get to this agreement today, I see all kinds of advantages for other issues pending in the Middle East, like Syria," she said.

Iran's cooperation could be key to ending the civil war there, she said.

'Getting to the root of the problem'

The details were hashed out during a bilateral U.S.-Iran meeting -- part of an apparent effort on each side to mend fences -- which lasted about an hour on the sidelines of broader talks under way in Geneva.

The U.S. delegation was led by Under Secretary of State Wendy Sherman. The Iranian delegation was led by Deputy Foreign Minister Araqchi.

Iran talks: Do we want a deal or a war?

"The main issue is getting to the root of the problem, which is the enrichment issue and all things that lead from that," Michael Mann, spokesman for Ashton, said on the sidelines of negotiations.

Moments later, the Iranian state-run Fars News Agency tweeted a quote from Araqchi: "Enrichment is our red line, and its suspension is unacceptable."

Iran's supreme leader 'not optimistic' about nuclear talks

When CNN asked Araqchi about the issue of uranium enrichment, he declined to answer.

"The talks are extremely complex and are now going into a serious phase," Mann said. "We want to focus on substance and hope there will be concrete progress over the next couple of days."

Zarif said Iran's nuclear program would continue in some form.

"There won't be a suspension of our enrichment program in its entirety," he said. "But we can deal with various issues. Various issues are on the table."

History of the issue

The sudden progress in meetings between Iran and the group of nations known as the P5+1 or EU3+3 -- United States, France, Britain, Russia, China and Germany -- comes after years of stalemate between Western nations and Iran over its nuclear program.

It also follows a slight thaw in relations between Iran and the West under newly elected president Hassan Rouhani.

Iran has always maintained its nuclear program is for purely peaceful purposes, despite repeated findings by U.N. weapons inspectors that the country
appeared to be conducting nuclear weapons research.

In August, the International Atomic Energy Agency --the U.N. nuclear watchdog -- estimated that since declaring its nuclear program, Iran has processed 10 metric tons of uranium to 5% purity, the level used for nuclear power plants.

The International Atomic Energy Agency estimates that Iran has a stockpile of 410 pounds (185 kilograms) of uranium at 20% purity.

Weapons experts warn that this uranium could be further refined for use in a nuclear warhead.

Although experts suggest that amount would not be enough for a single warhead, the IAEA has warned that it believes Iran's nuclear program could have "possible military dimensions."

Iran has been under crippling U.N. sanctions related to its nuclear program since 2006. The United States first sanctioned Iran over its nuclear program in 2000.

Resolutions and sanctions passed by the United Nations in 2006 called on Iran to halt all enrichment activities and clarify that its nuclear facilities were being used for peaceful purposes only.
 

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Iran, powers extend talks to clinch elusive nuclear deal | Reuters

"We're working hard," U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry told reporters as he arrived at his hotel shortly before midnight (6 p.m. ET) following the meeting with Ashton and Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif.

A senior State Department official said: "Over the course of the evening, we continued to make progress as we worked to the narrow the gaps. There is more work to do."

Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi said: "It was productive but still we have lots of work to do."

The negotiations, originally planned as a two-day meeting for Thursday and Friday, will continue on Saturday morning.

Unlike previous encounters between Iran and Western powers in the past decade, all sides have remained quiet about details of the negotiations, without the criticism and mutual allegations of a lack of seriousness that were typical of such meetings in the past. Diplomats involved in the talks say this is a sign of how serious all sides are.

Midway through the second round of talks since Iran elected a moderate president who opened doors to a peaceful solution to the nuclear dispute, Kerry joined fellow big power foreign ministers in Geneva to help cement a preliminary accord. Israel warned they were making an epic mistake.

Kerry said he would try to "narrow these differences but I don't think anybody should mistake there are some important gaps that have to be closed."

Iran spelled out a major difference soon afterwards, with a member of its negotiating team, Majid Takt-Ravanchi, telling Mehr news agency that oil and banking sanctions imposed on Tehran should be eased during the first phase of any deal.

The powers have offered Iran access to up to $50 billion in Iranian funds frozen abroad for many years but ruled out any broad dilution of sanctions in the early going of an agreement.

Diplomats said a breakthrough remained uncertain and would in any case mark only the first step in a long, complex process towards a permanent resolution of international concerns that Iran may be seeking the means to build nuclear bombs.

ISRAEL "REJECTS" MOOTED IRAN DEAL

But the diplomats said the arrival of Kerry, British Foreign Secretary William Hague and French and German foreign ministers Laurent Fabius and Guido Westerwelle signaled that the five permanent U.N. Security Council members and Germany may be closer to an elusive pact with Iran than ever before.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was expected to join them on Saturday. Lavrov's deputy was quoted by state-run RIA news agency as saying the sides were loath to leave Geneva "without a positive result (since to do so) would be a serious strategic mistake."

A senior U.S. State Department official said Kerry was committed to doing "anything he can" to overcome the chasm with Tehran. The powers aim to cap Iran's nuclear work to prevent any advance towards a nuclear weapons capability.

Kerry arrived from Tel Aviv, where he met Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who regards Iran's atomic aspirations as a menace to the Jewish state.

Netanyahu warned Kerry and his European counterparts that Iran would be getting "the deal of the century" if they carried out proposals to grant Tehran limited, temporary relief from sanctions in exchange for a partial suspension of, and pledge not to expand, its enrichment of uranium for nuclear fuel.

"Israel utterly rejects it," Netanyahu said.

Later on Friday, U.S. President Barack Obama telephoned Netanyahu to discuss the international talks on Iran's nuclear program, the White House said in a statement.

"The president provided the prime minister with an update on negotiations in Geneva and underscored his strong commitment to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, which is the aim of the ongoing negotiations," the White House said.

Israel is not the only Middle East country fretting about Iran's nuclear ambitions. Saudi Arabia, Iran's chief rival for regional influence, has made clear to Washington that it does not like the signs of a possible U.S.-Iran rapprochement.

Israel has repeatedly suggested that it might strike Iran if Tehran did not shelve its entire nuclear program and warned against allowing it to maintain what Israel sees as a nascent atomic bomb capability. Iran says its nuclear activities are geared only to civilian needs and has refused to suspend them.

The fact that a deal may finally be feasible after a decade of rhetorical feuding rather than genuine negotiations between Iran and the West highlighted a striking shift in the tone of Tehran's foreign policy since the election in June of Hassan Rouhani, a pragmatic former nuclear negotiator, as president.

NO MAJOR SANCTIONS EASING

Iran, which harbors some of the world's largest oil and gas reserves, wants the six powers to lift increasingly tough restrictions that have slashed its daily crude sales revenue by 60 percent in the past two years.

Iran and the powers are discussing a partial nuclear suspension deal covering around half a year. If a preliminary deal is nailed down, it would only be the first stage in a process involving many rounds of intricate negotiations in the next few months aimed at securing a permanent agreement.

One idea under consideration is the disbursement in installments of up to about $50 billion of Iranian funds blocked in foreign accounts for decades. Another step could be temporarily relaxing restrictions on precious metals trade.

A further step could be Washington suspending pressure on countries not to buy Iranian oil. Diplomats say that such a move by Washington could be immediate and easily reversible if Iran failed to meet its obligations under a deal.

Negotiators have limited political room to maneuver as conservatives in Tehran and in Washington could denounce any agreement they believed went too far and seek to undermine it.

One Western diplomat told Reuters that Israel's fury at the proposed deal might actually make it easier for Rouhani to sell the interim deal to skeptics in Iran's powerful security and clerical elites who are wary of U.S. overtures to Tehran 33 years after Washington broke off diplomatic relations.

The United States has said world powers will consider some sanctions relief, while leaving the complex web of U.S., EU and U.N. restrictions in place, if Iran takes verifiable steps to rein in its nuclear program.
More and more I subscribe to those "conspiracy theories" around Jews. Look who has the most influence in US foreign policy!

Only by striking a deal with Iran will US be able to get a free hand for the pivot to Asia Pacific in the shift from Mid East.
 
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The Obama administration began softening sanctions on Iran after the election of Iran's new president in June, months before the current round of nuclear talks in Geneva or the historic phone call between the two leaders in September...

On Wednesday Obama said in an interview with NBC News the negotiations in Geneva "are not about easing sanctions." "The negotiations taking place are about how Iran begins to meet its international obligations and provide assurances not just to us but to the entire world," the president said.
Exclusive: Obama's Secret Iran Détente - The Daily Beast
 

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An impending deal to ease sanctions without real concessions from Tehran over its nuclear program virtually assures that Israel will bomb Iran. This is a crisis that should have been prevented years ago.

The grave tone of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's voice in the video of his statement after meeting Secretary of State John Kerry before Kerry's trip to Geneva to negotiate with Iran makes it clear that the leader of the Jewish state feels the die has been cast.

He called what the U.S. was about to undertake "the deal of a century for Iran" but "a very dangerous and bad deal for peace and the international community."

Without being required to dismantle even a single uranium centrifuge, economic sanctions will be lessened on Iran in the hope that these Islamofascist fanatics see it as a gesture of good will from the Great Satan.
Israel's Hand Is Being Forced By U.S.' Naive Dealing With Iran - Investors.com
 

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Iran's deputy minister assassinated


Iranian deputy minister of industry, mines and commerce Safdar Rahmat-Abadi was assassinated on November 10, IRNA reported.

According to the report, the unidentified men shot him when he was in his personal car in Golbarg Street, Tehran.

Rahmat-Abadi is the parliamentary deputy of Industry, Mines and Commerce Ministry.

The report says that his head and breast were targeted by gunmen.

Iran's deputy minister assassinated - Trend.Az
 

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Israel said to be working with Saudi Arabia on Iran strike plan


Israel is working on coordinating plans for a possible military strike with Saudi Arabia, with Riyadh prepared to provide tactical support to Jerusalem, a British newspaper reported early Sunday.

The two countries have both united in worry that the West may come to terms with Iran, easing sanctions and allowing the Islamic Republic to continue its nuclear program.

According to the Sunday Times, Riyadh has agreed to let Israel use its airspace in a military strike on Iran and cooperate over the use of rescue helicopters, tanker planes and drones.

"The Saudis are furious and are willing to give Israel all the help it needs," an unnamed diplomatic source told the paper.

The report comes as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is in the midst of a blitz to lobby against a deal and cobble together an international alliance opposed to an agreement that allows Iran to continue enriching uranium.

On Sunday, Israel will welcome French president Francois Hollande, who a week earlier put the kibosh on a deal between six world powers and Iran that would ease sanctions in return for initial steps toward curbing enrichment.


Netanyahu on Friday urged France to remain firm in its pressure on Iran ahead of a new round of talks on the Islamic Republic's nuclear program in Geneva, kicking off Wednesday.

After meeting Hollande, Netanyahu will head to Moscow on Wednesday to meet with President Vladimir Putin and lobby against the deal.

Iran's bid for the bomb "threatens directly the future of the Jewish state," Netanyahu told CNN recently, in a short preview clip of an interview broadcast on Saturday. As the prime minister of Israel, he stressed, he had to care for "the survival of my country."

CNN reported that Netanyahu also said in the interview that he would do whatever it was necessary to do in order to protect Israel. The full interview will air Sunday morning.

Should a deal be reached, according to the diplomatic source, a military option would be back on the table. Saudi tactical support, in lieu of backup from the Pentagon, would be vital for a long-range mission targeting Iran's nuclear program.

Saudi Arabia, a Sunni Muslim country across the Persian Gulf from Iran has long been at odds with Tehran, and fears a nuclear weapon would threaten Riyadh and set off a nuclear arms race in the region.

Israel said to be working with Saudi Arabia on Iran strike plan | The Times of Israel
 

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@SajeevJino Though OT to this thread, i just want to know how many west asian/muslim countries (esp how many in gcc) have formal diplomatic relations with israel?? Also does israel have diplomatic relations with taiwan?
 
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@SajeevJino Though OT to this thread, i just want to know how many west asian/muslim countries (esp how many in gcc) have formal diplomatic relations with israel?? Also does israel have diplomatic relations with taiwan?
No one ...

From KSA to Lebanon and Bahrain to Turkey

Once KSA said we will not allow Israeli activities in our Ground if they Going strike any Muslim or Arab Countries ..But the Last Post we will allow Israeli Fighters in our Land to attack Iran

another Instance with Turkey they always said we will not allow Israeli's to Strike other Muslim Nations ..But last time Syrian Heat up they ask Israeli's to do some Tricky Shot inside Syria ..and the Growing Back stage Connection with their Intelligence is notable


Israel had a Strong Economic Relations with China ..hence they have no connection with Taiwan even I thing They didn't have a Embassy in Taiwan


Foreign relations of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Iranian Dissidents Say Iran Has Built Secret New Nuclear Site


An exiled Iranian opposition group said on Monday it had information about an underground nuclear site being built in Iran and that this was among a number of secret venues for an atomic bomb programme.

The National Council of Resistance of Iran exposed Iran's uranium enrichment plant at Natanz and a heavy-water facility at Arak in 2002. But analysts say the NCRI has a mixed track record and a clear agenda of regime change in Tehran.

The Islamic Republic and six world powers will resume negotiations on Wednesday aimed at agreeing the first stage towards a comprehensive deal to end a decade-long standoff with Tehran defusing fears that it could develop nuclear weapons.

Iranian authorities deny any such intention, saying their nuclear programme is for peaceful energy only. A diplomatic window to a peaceful solution of the dispute was opened by the election in June of moderate Hassan Rouhani as president.

The Paris-based NCRI said members of its affiliated People's Mujahideen Organisation of Iran (PMOI) inside the country had obtained reliable information on a new and covert site designated for Iran's nuclear project. But it had no details of what kind of nuclear activity was being carried out there.

"According to specific information obtained by the Iranian resistance, the clerical regime is establishing or completing parallel secret and undeclared sites for its nuclear project," NCRI official Mehdi Abrichamtchi told reporters.

Accusations the NCRI made in July and October about secret nuclear sites drew a wary international response, while the United States expressed scepticism about another claim in 2010.

The NCRI said the new site was inside a 600-metre tunnel complex beneath mountains 10 km (6 miles) from the town of Mobarekeh, adjacent to the Isfahan-Shiraz highway, within the existing Haft-e Tir military industrial complex.

Abrichamtchi said work on the site began in 2005 and the construction of tunnels ended in early 2009. Work on the facilities was recently completed, he said.

Abrichamtchi said Iran's Organisation of Defensive Innovation and Research handled Iran's sensitive nuclear activity and also managed the new facility. The site had extra security compared to the rest of the military complex, he said.

Abrichamtchi said the information had been sent to the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog. The IAEA had no immediate comment on the report.

Iranian Dissidents Say Iran Has Built Secret New Nuclear Site - Daily News Egypt
 

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Israel Warns US: Iran Building ICBMs for YOU, Not for Us

Israel is openly opposed to the nuclear weapons deal the United States seems dead set on consummating with Iran. The goal of that deal is the easing of international sanctions on Iran in exchange for Iran taking limited steps suggesting a possible shift away from its goal of acquiring nuclear weapons.


The disagreement between the U.S. and Israel about the wisdom of this deal has become what many are calling a significant strain between the two allies. Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu warned against the deal last week, calling it "a bad deal, a very, very bad deal," and Israel remains steadfastly opposed.


In turn, Secretary of State Kerry was quoted by senators as having told them to "ignore" what the Israelis were telling members of congress about the potential consequences of the deal. Tuesday evening, Nov. 19, Israeli government spokesperson Mark Regev told CNN's Jake Tapper that it isn't just Israel in Iran's cross-hairs, but it is the U.S. itself that is an intended target of Iran's nuclear weapon.

Regev's delivery and timing was perfect:

I mean, the Iranians are building intercontinental ballistic missiles. They're not building them for us, they've already got missiles that can reach Israel. They're building them for you! For targets in North America and Western Europe. It's crucial that we don't allow them to get nuclear weapons.
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Nuclear talks are going on in geneva today between P5+1 and iran.

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Western diplomats are also concerned about a reactor Iran is building at Arak - an issue which disrupted the first round of talks.

US President Barack Obama has said any interim agreement would see the bulk of international and US sanctions remain, but that Iran would get sanctions relief worth between $6bn and $7bn.

The essence of the deal would involve Iran making no more advances in its nuclear programme and agreeing to "more vigorous inspections", he said.

Regional powers - notably Israel and Saudi Arabia - have been increasingly concerned at the prospect of an agreement with Iran.

Saudia Arabia has expressed disquiet at Washington's readiness to negotiate with Tehran.

"Appeasement hasn't worked in the past, and I don't think it will work in the 21st Century," the Saudi Ambassador to London, Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf bin Abdulaziz, said in an interview with Saturday's Times.

There have been persistent reports that Saudi Arabia is in a position to obtain nuclear weapons from Pakistan should Iran develop the bomb.

Pakistan has described such reports as "baseless" while Saudi Arabia points out that it is a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty and wants a nuclear-free Middle East.

However, Prince Mohammed told the Times: "We are not going to sit idly by and receive a threat there and not think seriously how we can best defend our country and our region."
So what can you do prince mohammed?? Send your mercenaries fighting is syria towards iran?? As saudi armed forces are only for display and not any real action. Do you have any guts to fight a war???
 

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An agreement has been reached in nuclear talks finally. Crude oil price is bound to fall overnight. Who will be beneficiaries, who will b whining? Lets see, such as -

Israel, Saudi (opposing)
France (energy firms TOTAL etc. access to Iranian fields)
Russia (oil export)

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Iran and six major powers agreed early Sunday on a historic deal that freezes key parts of Iran's nuclear program in exchange for temporary relief on some economic sanctions, diplomats confirmed.
, freezes or reverses progress at all of Iran's major nuclear facilities, according to Western officials familiar with the details. It halts the installation of new centrifuges used to enrich uranium and caps the amount and type of enriched uranium that Iran is allowed to produce.
Iran also agreed to halt work on key components of a heavy-water reactor that could someday provide Iran with a source of plutonium. In addition, Iran accepted a dramatic increase in oversight, including daily monitoring by international nuclear inspectors, the officials said.
The concessions not only halt Iran's nuclear advances but also make it virtually impossible for Tehran to build a nuclear weapon without being detected, the officials said. In return, Iran will receive modest relief of trade sanctions and access to some of its frozen currency accounts overseas, concessions said to be valued at less than $7 billion over the six-month term of the deal. The sanctions would be reinstated if Iran violates the agreement's terms.
Kerry said the goal of the talks was to "require Iran to prove the peaceful nature of its program and ensure that it cannot acquire a nuclear weapon."
Kerry then addressed Israeli concerns directly. "It will make our partners in the region safer. It will make our ally Israel safer."

Still, the agreement is likely to face heavy opposition from key allies — chiefly Israel and Saudi Arabia — as well as congressional skeptics who have demanded much greater concessions from Iran, including the dismantling of its enrichment program.

Iran also agreed to stop producing a type of more highly-enriched uranium--up to 20 percent purity--and committed itself to eliminate its stockpile of this material by converting it to metal fuel rods or blending it with natural uranium.

World powers reach nuclear deal with Iran to freeze its nuclear program - The Washington Post

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Suckers Deal :facepalm:


Within 6 months Iran will Obtain It's warhead and Tests it with the Support of Russia China and the US
 

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