Russia's 'made-in-China' Proton-M explodes during launch

[t_co]

Indian experiences with Chineese telecom products was very very bad, one of the biggest telecom operator (name withheld) and biggest buyer of Chinese telecom products were forced to move away to Alcatel, and this is the hard fact you do not want to accept because as usual the problem with Chineese of self criticism.

Bharti? AFAIK they are still working with Huawei.

 

[Known_Unknown]

Nice try, one unknown company switches from Huawei to Alcatel, you make it as if Huawei was falling apart.

Do you know that Alcatel is shrinking like hell and is behind Ericsson, Huawei and Nokia, ranking the forth among the five major global competitors? The only reason Alcatel could keep that spot is because it merged with Lucent.

If you look up to companies like that, you are doomed.

Don't be sad, your personal experiences mean nothing compared to the recognition Huawei has received globally.

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Huawei has only managed to become so prominent because they are the cheapest. Earlier, Nokia-Siemens and Ericsson were the dominant global players in the sale of telecom equipment, but Huawei sells their equipment at 1/5th the price. In addition, they offer free training with the equipment and additional training is 1/10th the price of equivalent NSN and Ericsson training.

However, in many countries, Huawei is just not trusted to supply critical infrastructure like telecom. The US government has banned Huawei from selling to AT&T and the major companies, and in Canada, the federal government ruled that Huawei equipment could not be used to build critical security infrastructure. India has similar security concerns, and so do many other countries because the founder and CEO of Huawei is a former PLA general. According to many sources, Huawei has been used by the Chinese government to plant spies inside foreign countries.

As long as China perceives itself to be an "adversary" of the West and acts as such, and bullies neutral countries to fall in line, it will only breed resentment and alliances that are aimed at containing China.

 

[bose]

Bharti? AFAIK they are still working with Huawei.

Noop... One who is going to provide largest 4G network in India

 

[s002wjh]

It was the USSR [Russia] who helped the dirt poor China build their nonexistent industry in 1950's & 60's and we know how China reciprocated by back stabbing them in return in their border conflict.

One has to remember that China is a xenophobic state turned after repeated defeats from Japan in 1930's & WW – 2, a thoroughly humiliated state that will back stab anyone the moment it thinks there is any danger to its interest. The recent issuance of warning to its smaller neighbors is a proof of its insecurity still seen after 70 odd years of ending of WW-2.

seem alot hatred on this forum toward china, just because a lost war in 62 even US forgive vietnam now.

 

[s002wjh]

As long as China perceives itself to be an "adversary" of the West and acts as such, and bullies neutral countries to fall in line, it will only breed resentment and alliances that are aimed at containing China.

is not china perceive itself as adversary, but we perceive them as adversary, this is due to they are a raising power, and their ideology is different than us. even if china is a democracy, we will still perceive them as competitor due to share size/economic power of china.

 

[Payeng]

ZTE telecom equipment were flooding in India last checked, dont know what is the current status.

 

[Armand2REP]

some reference before from russia.

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The Russian shipyard managers admit that the Vikramaditya engine problem was not the quality of the Chinese firebricks used to insulate engine components from the intense heat of the steam boilers........But after Russian ship yard engineers examined the engines they concluded it was poor workmanship and supervision, not poor design or poor materials that was at the cause of the problem.
......

Procurement: Russia Copes With The Vikramaditya Disaster

hmmm... so the same Russian engineers responsible for installing the boilers admit it was their poor quality of work that caused the incident??

That makes zero sense... why would they hang themselves? Oh, I know, you quoted strategypage.

Made in China = crap

 

[bose]

seem alot hatred on this forum toward china, just because a lost war in 62 even US forgive vietnam now.

The India - China equation is very different from USA - Vietnam, it was USA who went into Vietnam's land to fight while India was fighting for its land under threat from China... moreover at present Vietnam does not have ill intensions or reason to cause harm to USA nor USA has any bad intension towards Vietnam, the fight between them was ideological and both decided to move forward"¦

For the China – India it is very different, if you look back into the 1000 years history, you will find both the countries had excellent relations and India never had any concerns of its security under threat from TIBET / China. So why this sudden change in last 50 years or little more? If you recall that same China after been beaten severely by Japan in 1930's & Second World War has turned paranoid and xenophobic, and with the coming of power of Communist in China it became bad to worse and the communist went over drive to seize more land from its neighboring smaller countries. China annex TIBET in early 1950's and the world did not come to its rescue except few eye brows rose and one should not forget the first attack of the combined Chinese and North Korean forces south of 38th parallel driving the south Korean & US forces up to Pusan. Then China turned its intension towards India and its greed for more land was the fall out in 1962 war.

Personally I do not believe that the India - China hatred is due to 1962 war, we had small border issues likes in 1975 & 1987 too. There may have border issues between two countries those can be resolved through negotiations. But China post 1962 always had ill intention and wanted to cause warm to India, as China did not stopped with 1962 war, then Zhou enlai in 1963 / 1964 proposed Pakistan for a jointly attack on India to cut off Kashmir[for some strange reasons Pakistan backed out from it]. In 1965 and 1971 China fully backed Pakistan in war against India. The most unfortunate and breaking point is the clandestine supply of Nuclear & Missile technology to Pakistan for sole purpose to be used against India in any future conflict, there is a very strong reason to believe that China exchanged the Uranium enrichment technology that Pakistan had stolen from Belgium / Europe with the Nuke design from China, both stand to gain from this transaction. There is intelligence report that China did carried out the Nukes tests for Pakistan behalf in 1980's so that Pakistan does not get caught with the ghost of sanctions. It is also a well known fact that all the Pakistani missiles are Chinese origin only and China still continues to help Pakistan clandestinely to this date.

This is China for you a responsible member state of UN and that too one of the five permanent member states. China has ill intension and wants to cause harm to India there is no two thought on it. India needs to be very vigilant and cautious to China's motives.

 

[s002wjh]

The India - China equation is very different from USA - Vietnam, it was USA who went into Vietnam's land to fight while India was fighting for its land under threat from China... moreover at present Vietnam does not have ill intensions or reason to cause harm to USA nor USA has any bad intension towards Vietnam, the fight between them was ideological and both decided to move forward"¦

For the China – India it is very different, if you look back into the 1000 years history, you will find both the countries had excellent relations and India never had any concerns of its security under threat from TIBET / China. So why this sudden change in last 50 years or little more? If you recall that same China after been beaten severely by Japan in 1930's & Second World War has turned paranoid and xenophobic, and with the coming of power of Communist in China it became bad to worse and the communist went over drive to seize more land from its neighboring smaller countries. China annex TIBET in early 1950's and the world did not come to its rescue except few eye brows rose and one should not forget the first attack of the combined Chinese and North Korean forces south of 38th parallel driving the south Korean & US forces up to Pusan. Then China turned its intension towards India and its greed for more land was the fall out in 1962 war.

Personally I do not believe that the India - China hatred is due to 1962 war, we had small border issues likes in 1975 & 1987 too. There may have border issues between two countries those can be resolved through negotiations. But China post 1962 always had ill intention and wanted to cause warm to India, as China did not stopped with 1962 war, then Zhou enlai in 1963 / 1964 proposed Pakistan for a jointly attack on India to cut off Kashmir[for some strange reasons Pakistan backed out from it]. In 1965 and 1971 China fully backed Pakistan in war against India. The most unfortunate and breaking point is the clandestine supply of Nuclear & Missile technology to Pakistan for sole purpose to be used against India in any future conflict, there is a very strong reason to believe that China exchanged the Uranium enrichment technology that Pakistan had stolen from Belgium / Europe with the Nuke design from China, both stand to gain from this transaction. There is intelligence report that China did carried out the Nukes tests for Pakistan behalf in 1980's so that Pakistan does not get caught with the ghost of sanctions. It is also a well known fact that all the Pakistani missiles are Chinese origin only and China still continues to help Pakistan clandestinely to this date.

This is China for you a responsible member state of UN and that too one of the five permanent member states. China has ill intension and wants to cause harm to India there is no two thought on it. India needs to be very vigilant and cautious to China's motives.

china may or may not help pakistan on the nuke. however, india is not china top priority, there are much higher priority in china compare to border dispute between china/india. now if india is mad because china help pakistan to acquire nuke, well we help israel with its nuke programs. i think keep eye on china is fine, but bashing china or hatred toward china will do no one good, espeically this is china counter balancing region powers by using pakistan. US do this all the time, imagine what china feel for the sino vs japan/US dispute, the taiwan, the pivot to asia etc etc. yet china understand the value of cooperation between US & china. Ive spoken to many chinese non of them hate US just because we did the above.
there is no point to hate china, when every major/super power are using proxi to counter each other.