Russian involvement in Syrian crisis

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Question is why Russia deployed now ? why not earlier? :confused1:
Assad now only facing heavy loses, losing Syria means a big blow to Russia

If you look out the Conflict map, the FSA Rebels just miles away from Latakia Port, where Russia has observation and small naval base
 

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if you say so, there are even youtube videos of vice news showing Syrian rebels being treated by Israel. check it on you tube its there also there are plenty of other sources that too indicate isreal's policy towards rebels groups and terrorists. a quick search query will prove it too.
Israel still has many field Hospitals near Syrian border to help wounded civilians, Israel helps them, sometimes Syrian assad forces some times Rebels too get treated by the Israeli doctors
 

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Israel still has many field Hospitals near Syrian border to help wounded civilians, Israel helps them, sometimes Syrian assad forces some times Rebels too get treated by the Israeli doctors
Those are military camps, used by Israel to treat Sunni/Wahhabi nutjobs fighting against Assad, such as al-Qaida affiliated terrorists and to supply arms and weapons to Sunni/Wahhabi nutjobs fighting against Assad, such as al-Qaida affiliated terrorist. This is old news.

Helping "wounded civilians" is a cover for the dirty work that Israel is doing there. There is no border there. Look up UN Resolution 497, and please look at the map of that region. Hint: Golan Heights.
 

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Looks like reports of Russia supplying S-300 to Syria are true.
Could it be that Putin wants to set the whole Mid East on fire. His foes are already there without declaring a war and this serves his purpose:
1) The Oil supplies get endangered and you know what that means
2) Putin would like Assad to remain
3) Then this serves a good reminder as why the west should not have gotten into Ukraine
4) China would be very helpful in this regard quite willing to provide security to Iran for its Oil
5) Besides the mess in Syria already has mobilized world opinion against such surreptitious wars lead by the West
6) The Arab states that are not seeing good enough benefit in bandwagoning onto Saudi-ISIS framework are already becoming closer to states like India. A net provider of Oil seeking support from a net provider of security.
7) Even the Saudis are supporting ISIS only because they want to export their own youth bulge born of muft ke petrodollars.
 

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Question is why Russia deployed now ? why not earlier? :confused1:
My personal opinion is Russia does not want to loose Syria and come out looking weak at a time when NATO is aggresively trying to expand to its door in Ukraine.
Russia has to win Syria to send out a definite message. But tha.ts just my opinion...
 

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Gulf and West can create refugees but cannot take them in.

Apparently the video comes from the channel France 24

 

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This Maverick Israeli Pundit Says Russia Will Intervene Against ISIS
We still think the alternative view argued by The Saker will be proven right - but an interesting read nonetheless

Israel Shamir | (The Unz Review) | Russia Insider


Russia has denied rumors that it recently supplied MiG-31 planes to Syria

his article originally appeared at The Unz Review

Despite doubts and denials, Russia is about to embark on an ambitious expansion of its Syrian presence, likely to change the game in the war-torn country. Russia’s small and dated naval repair facility in Tartous will be enlarged, while Jableh near Latakia (Laodicea of old) will become the Russian Air Force base and a full-blown Russian Navy base in the Eastern Mediterranean, beyond the narrow Bosphorus straits.

The jihadi multitudes besetting Damascus are likely to be beaten into obedience and compliance, and the government of President Assad relieved from danger and siege. The war with Da’esh (ISIS) is to provide the cover for this operation. This is the first report of this fateful development, based on confidential and usually reliable Russian sources in Moscow.

The knowledgeable and Damascus-based French investigative journalist and dissident Thierry Meyssan noted the arrival of many Russian advisers. Russians began to share satellite imagery in real time with their Syrian allies, he added. An Israeli news site said “Russia has begun its military intervention in Syria” and predicted that “in the coming weeks thousands of Russian military personnel are set to touch down in Syria”. Russians promptly denied that.

President Bashar al Assad hinted at that a few days ago expressing his full confidence of Russian support for Damascus. First six MiG-31 fighter jets landed in Damascus a couple of weeks ago, as reported in the official RG newspaper. Michael Weiss in the far-right Daily Beast presented a flesh-creeping picture of a Russian penetration of Syria. Al-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper referred to Jableh as the second-base location.

Now we can confirm that to the best of our knowledge, despite denials (remember Crimea?) Russia has cast its lot and made a very important decision to enter the Syrian war. This decision may yet save Syria from total collapse and incidentally save Europe, too, from being swept by refugee waves. The Russian air force will ostensibly fight Da’esh, but probably (as Michael Weiss guessed) they will also bomb not just Da’esh but the US-allied opposition of al-Nusra (formerly al-Qaeda) and other non-Da’esh Islamic extremists for the simple reason that they can’t be distinguished from Da’esh.

The Russian Foreign Minister Mr Sergey Lavrov proposed to organise a new coalition against Da’esh including Assad’s army, Saudis and some opposition forces. The US envoy visiting Russia said that there is no chance that the Saudis or other Gulf states would agree to join forces with Bashar Assad. Russia still plans to build this coalition, but in the view of the American rejection, apparently President Putin decided to act.

Russia is worried by successes of Da’esh, as this force fights and displaces Christians in Syria, while Russia considers itself a traditional protector of these people. Russia is also worried that Da’esh may begin operations in Muslim areas of Russia, in the Caucasus and on the Volga River. And the US-led anti-Da’esh coalition didn’t do the trick.

The US and Turkey ostensibly fight Da’esh, but they have their own interests, quite different from those of Syrians, Europeans and Russians. Turkey fights the Kurds who are staunch opponents of Da’esh. The US uses the war with Da’esh as a smokescreen to fight the legitimate government of Bashar Assad who was recently re-elected by vast majority of the Syrians.

Da’esh does not suffer much from the US raids, as opposed to the Syrian Army. Moreover, the US sent hundreds of trained terrorists to Syria after providing them with a military upgrade in Jordan and elsewhere. Recently David Petraeus called for the arming of Jabhat an Nusra so they would fight Da’esh. This silly idea was laughed out of court but it is far from dead.

The US and its allies have wreaked havoc in Syria. The US is far away and can enjoy the show. Europe is a loser once removed as it gets the flood of refugees. Turkey is a direct loser, as it gets refugees, terrorism, the rapid decline of President Erdogan’s popularity, and a drop of living standards, all this being due to its erroneous policies in Syria.

Now Russia has taken over the difficult task of saving the situation. If Erdogan, Obama, Kerry, and the Saudis had thought that Putin would drop Assad, now they are having a rude awakening from such delusions. The Russian position is rather nuanced. Russia will not fight for Assad, as it did not fight for [the Ukrainian President] Yanukovych.

Russia thinks it is up to Syrians to decide who will be their president. Assad or somebody else – that’s an internal Syrian affair. On the other hand, Obama and his allies do fight against Assad. He had “lost his legitimacy”, they say. They have a problem with Assad, as they admit. Russia has no problems with Assad. As long as he is popular with his people, let him rule, Russians say. If some members of the opposition will join him, fine.

Russia does not intend to fight the armed opposition per se, as long as this opposition is ready for peaceful negotiations and does not demand impossible (say, Assad’s head). In real life, nobody can distinguish between legitimate and illegitimate groups and Da’esh. All of them are likely to suffer when the Russians will begin to do the job seriously. They’d better negotiate with the government and come for some arrangement. The alternative (destruction of Syria, millions of refugees, uprooting of Middle Eastern Christendom, jihadi attack on Russia proper) is too horrible to contemplate.

The War in Syria is fraught with dangers for Russia; that’s why Putin steered clear of direct involvement since 2011. The adversary is well armed, has some support on the ground, it has the wealth of the Gulf states and fanatic warriors likely to unleash a wave of terror attacks in Russia. The US position is ambiguous: Obama and his staff does not react on the growing Russian involvement. Thierry Meyssan thinks that Obama and Putin came to agreement regarding the need to defeat Da’esh. In his view, some American officials and generals (Petraeus, Allen) would like to undermine this agreement; so do the Republicans and the Neo-Cons.

Some Russian officials are worried. Perhaps Obama keeps mum in order to lure Putin into the Syrian War. Remember, the US enticed Saddam Hussein to invade Kuwait. Russian and American planes in the air over Syria could come to hostile encounters. Others say: shouldn’t Russia get involved in the Ukraine, rather than in Syria? But the apparent decision of Putin to enter war in Syria makes sense.

A war far away from home presents logistic challenges, as the US experienced in Vietnam and Afghanistan, but there is much less danger of war spilling into Russia proper. In the distant theatre of war, Russian army, navy and air force will be able to show their pluck.

If they will succeed, Syria will regain peace, refugees will return to their homes, while Russia will remain forever in the Eastern Mediterranean. Russian success will cool the warmongers in Washington, Kiev, Brussels. However, if they will fail, NATO will think that Russia is ripe for reaping and may try to move war close to home.

We can compare it with military campaigns on 1930s. The Russians under brilliant Marshal Zhukov soundly trashed the Japanese at Khalkhyn Gol in 1939, and the Japanese signed Neutrality pact with Russians and refrained from attacking Russia during the Soviet-German war. But the Red Army managed poorly against Marshal Mannerheim in Finland in 1940, and this encouraged Hitler to begin the war.

This time Russia will act within the international law framework, as opposed to Saddam Hussein’s adventure in Kuwait. While the US and Turkey bomb and strafe Syria without as much as ‘by your leave’ from the legitimate government of the state, Russia is coming by permission and by invitation of the Syrian authorities as their ally. There is a Mutual Defence Treaty between Russia and Syria. Syrian government offered Russians its facilities, airports and harbours for the defence purposes.

The Christian Churches of the Middle East welcome Russia and ask for its assistance in the face of the jihadi onslaught. The ancient Orthodox Church of Antioch and the Orthodox Church of Jerusalem welcomed Russian involvement. The most high-ranking and politically active Palestinian clergyman, Archbishop Theodosius Atallah Hanna expressed his hope the Russians will bring peace to Syria and the refugees will return home.

For the Europeans, this is the chance to wean themselves from blind support of the US policies, to return millions of refugees home from European railway stations and hostels.

If it will work, this Putin’s initiative in Syria will count with his greatest achievements. He is playing his hand keeping cards very close to his chest, and this report is the first emanating from his vicinity.
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Gustavo Caldas2 days ago

PLEASE ! , please , more accuracy on the headlines ! .Israel Shamir was born in Russia ,later emigrated to Israel (Occupied Palestine !) ,joined the IDF and fought there . After that ,disgusted by what he saw of the Zionist regime , he left and went to northern Europe .He has written many articles about the take over of Ukraine by the neo fascists , and can be considered a critical supporter of Putin . I believe he is right about Putin having sent airplanes (bought by Syria ,years ago) ,plus advisers .It is easy to see that if ISIS defeats the Syrian Army and Assad is overthrown , the next war will be in Chechnia and Dagestan,
Russia can not sit on the fence forever , when there are raging fires all around . I believe Putin's speech at the General Assembly of the UN will have lots of surprises ! .The US continues pushing for complete hegemony and it is up to the BRICS and perhaps some Western European countries to put limits to the madness.




Vtran3 days ago

America and Israel are hoping that Russia will come and fight the ISIS. ISIL,Extremist Branches ... Because Americans, Israel have lost control of the Monsters they have created and those Monsters are coming Home !
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Russia ... knows this as Does, China, Iran, India and they are not going to get Involved .. like Europe did !
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We can see What the Europe Involvement re supporting American Foreign Policy is brining - a Migrant Crisis !
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Mind You - Russia did Warn Europe at the Time !!!
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Russia "has repeatedly said that there would be major large-scale problems if our so-called western partners conduct the erroneous, as I have always said, foreign policy, especially in the regions of the Muslim world, the Middle East, North Africa," Putin said.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/...




mikhas • 3 days ago

We know that negotiations with the medieval monarchies have broke down and that Lavrov is fed up with them, he even said as much in a comment that wasn´t meant to be heard.

We know that as far as the US is concerned, they are certain that Russia is increasing it´s presence and are building up a military infrastructure that "worries" them.

We know that Syrias closest friends are present, have had negotiations for quite some time now and we know that some new "facts on the ground" favourable to Syria and the peace party has already materialized.

I believe that as well as the US are visibly present so will Russia be. That doesn´t mean that it´s going to be another Afghanistan for them or Vietnam for the US but that both the US and Russia has immediate common interests to fight Daesh. At least that is what the US says it does, what it shows and who they are aiding, arming and nurturing is another thing altogether. Even with a limited direct and increased Russian presence and total surveillance of Syrian and neighbouring airspace, there is no way the US and their vassals can both air drop munitions and whatnot to Daesh and fight them too and no, Mullah Erdogan or the Saudi monkeys are not mad enough to pick a fight with Russia and start WW3, Obongo´s white masters are not going to either. The US will certainly not appreciate the competition (of interests), but they will eventually have to show their true colours and cooperate for the common (stated) good.




Marco Zala2 days ago

The Syrian regime is obviously on the verge of collapse under the pressure of the Sunni jihadists and need all the help that they can get. The Alawites under Assad might lose control of Damascus and retreat to the Alawite area at the Medterranian coast. If Russia is getting it self involved in Syria, it might be to help the Alawites defend their territory.
 
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My personal opinion is Russia does not want to loose Syria and come out looking weak at a time when NATO is aggresively trying to expand to its door in Ukraine.
Russia has to win Syria to send out a definite message. But tha.ts just my opinion...
Has it got something to do with China, Russia keeping closer to pakistan these days... May be they want USA stay longer in Afganistan to break it. USA got nearer to get fcuked up... I guess
 

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A no-brainer here, but may be this is what the USofA feared and wanted to keep Russia engaged creating problem at its border and not to mention the sanctions. But the financial implications, how long can the bear bear it?
 

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isi against isis but trained isis members threat to let, isis supported by usa in syria is against usa in iraq, sauidi against iran in yemen issiue, mass migration to europe due to isis, Israel got hiccups with usa on Palestine clause, all fingers of its nato allies pointed on USA . What can a leader like usa do with its half boiled plans and see no ends... obviously fcuked up @alphacentury
 

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Israel Shamir | (The Unz Review) | Russia Insider

The Russian air force will ostensibly fight Da’esh, but probably (as Michael Weiss guessed) they will also bomb not just Da’esh but the US-allied opposition of al-Nusra (formerly al-Qaeda) and other non-Da’esh Islamic extremists for the simple reason that they can’t be distinguished from Da’esh.

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Some Russian officials are worried. Perhaps Obama keeps mum in order to lure Putin into the Syrian War. Remember, the US enticed Saddam Hussein to invade Kuwait. Russian and American planes in the air over Syria could come to hostile encounters. Others say: shouldn’t Russia get involved in the Ukraine, rather than in Syria? But the apparent decision of Putin to enter war in Syria makes sense.

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Gustavo Caldas2 days ago

It is easy to see that if ISIS defeats the Syrian Army and Assad is overthrown , the next war will be in Chechnia and Dagestan,​

Ukraine was also a game to force Russia to invade like in Chechneya Dagestan. Putin was wise enough to not take the bait.

Syria was not, to begin with ie. originally speaking a bait but the Americans would not mind it turning into one.

From the Russian side it makes sense to simply lie low and instead follow the Chinese strategy of biding time till the situation turns favourable. Remember the Chinese had designs on Tibet for last 1400 years or so.

But then again Low Oil prices benefit only the Americans, Europeans, Chinese and Indians, in the immediate.

The Chinese demand itself may perhaps grow less because of the smaller growth in exports (need to recheck against facts). Russians would not mind turning up the heat through Shia rebellions at various places in the gulf.

The commentor Gustavo is right. If ISIS wins then they will land up in Chechneya. Also in Kashmir and Urumqi. ISIS is the old Mujahideen/Taliban in new bottle. Earlier too it was the Americans that created this problem now again they want to make this an international problem so the rest of the world keeps itself busy fighting these small irritating wars while its own rule in the financial & energy markets goes unchallenged. Russian covert intervention could put the Sunnis in place and give the Shias some respite and overall dampen the Sunni interventionism, worldwide.

Chinese would like the US hold on finance/energy, to loosen up and the current slower times with manageable domestic demand for oil is as good as it can ever get. Chinese problems are not production related which demand low oil price regime. Chinese problem is their inability to control the financial/energy markets like the Americans do, despite the fact that it is the Chinese that should really be controlling both these markets today. So Chinese and Russian interests in Mid-East coincide. In any case they have coincided for sometime. After all China and Russia, together constitute a major reason for Iran to have escaped the fate of other wars to establish democracy.

European are caught between the refugee crisis vs the oil dilemma. If the war heats up they suffer because of Refugees who in near future will be bombing their cities. If the war does not heat up and instead remains limited to Ukraine they benefit by lower oil prices but the refugees problem remains as such. Overall they would like the longer term peace prospects to improve.

India will be hurt by higher oil prices in the short run but the future for growth is good and India too should be able to take somewhat pricier energy (services-based-economy). In any case the Nuke+Solar+Iranian Oil+CAR Oil, that India simply cannot do without, are going to come, in a secured manner, in only if net-net the conventional energy prices reflect their true cost and not these artificially depressed costs. So from India perspective it seems like an ambivalent situation. A trading-off of the short term gains for longer term gains. An arbitrage. We will see a lot of Indian returning home though. Like Europeans, only the longer term peace prospects improving would benefit us in any proper sense. This short term oil prices respite was needed but it has an addictive effect too.

My suspicions are veering towards a Shia-Sunni conflict in the Mid-East. A conflict on slow but sure boil. With covert support by US on the Sunni side and Russia on the Shia side. These 2 parties are in any case irreconcilable now.

China would enjoy the show.

Europeans and Indians are dependents so they do not count. In any case they would be longer term beneficiaries of the conflict.

GoI should start thinking about hedging the longer term oil requirements today. Try to negotiate the premium payable upfront.
 

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well yeah ..go Rafale hunt those Islamic Ba$tards


earlier @pmaitra said Syria already has S 300 :rofl:

Lets see what the Syrian air defense do against the mighty Rafale
 

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There is a possible report of some 40+ Collation soldiers died in a Houthi Scud attack, majority of them was from UAE

There is no words of Saudi Air Chief also killed in the attack
 

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The whole IS drama and Assad is basically looks like US Vs Russia.

US wants to uproot Assad regime and Russian influence through taliban like outfit known as IS.
Russia where as is supporting the Assad regime taking Iran under confidence.
 

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