Russian Army Currently 'Unprepared for Modern War,' Felgengauer Says

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You are totally right, that Orhodox has the upper hand at this time. This war was so big surprise to all ( but Putin IMHO). It is interesting to see how the Catholics/Lutherans react in the future. Do you know that Russian Orhtodox church see themselves as the descendants of Holy Roman Empire. According to Russian view Putin is the descendant of Roman Ceasar. My bet is that we have not yet seen all, this might get worse before it gets better.
Yes the Orthodox of your country have remained under the overall control of the collective chruch even when they broke off from the Russian Orthodox.

About crazy styles of Orthodox yes you are right they can be quite eccentric. Recently saw an Orthodox church doing some fire related ritual that their folk were very keenly listening to. Probably some old ritual they had before conversion that they then tried to preserve in their new religion.

Culturally how do you Finns live. What kind of relations do children have with their parents and such like details.
 

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Yes the Orthodox of your country have remained under the overall control of the collective chruch even when they broke off from the Russian Orthodox.

About crazy styles of Orthodox yes you are right they can be quite eccentric. Recently saw an Orthodox church doing some fire related ritual that their folk were very keenly listening to. Probably some old ritual they had before conversion that they then tried to preserve in their new religion.

Culturally how do you Finns live. What kind of relations do children have with their parents and such like details.
Finland is the best place in the world to have a family

Finland tops Save the Children's 15th annual State of the World's Mothers Report | Daily Mail Online

Here is some info about our history of family life. I think India and Finland have in common the importance of family, but I think families in India are bigger and live together, here it is more mental bond. Children move out normally at 18-20 years old.

Family with children in Finland
 

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Your enthusiasm in all related topics where you showcase "Might Fins Vs Mouse Russia" is pretty evident so blame yourself for "creating" the competition when there is no competition at all.Is US stops support you are nothing.Before US those Nazis supported you against Russia.

You claim that you defeated entire Russia(whose forces were highly scattered) with the help from Nazis and now doing chest thumping that you can take on Russia which is not even in it's prime anymore. Then you claim you have some billions of Missile Boats(like some Nuclear tiped ICBM's) all ready to annihilate Russia form all corners.

So better first stop doing so much of non-sense heroism and smell the coffee in the situation of today.

It's US which saved Europe and even today without US you guys can't do much rather than some nervous sanctions against Russia.
I do not get this anti-nazism in your posts, Nazis made some crimes, but they were taken to court and punished. Don´t you think that they have served the punishment? I think that they have the same rights than everybody else to exist. Especially among jews there is a lot of anti-nazism, why cant they forget the old disagreements and let the past be past.
 

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Here in India children usually move out at the like age of 17-18 but only if they are going to an engineering or medical college hostel. The life is firmly tied up with the family. Then the next possiblity of moving out is when they are looking for employment. And finally last possiblity is after marriage when the family home becomes small. People usually do remain very close with the family and even young parents start to save for their children from early on.

Won't a 18-20 year old guy moving out become dependent on the whole system of governance. Most people that age are basically unemployable even if well schooled. Does your govt. pay a substantial amount of unemployment allowance. Here in India, while nobody says no to a thing gotten for free but still families have reservations when it creates dependencies for the children. Dependencies on the outsiders even if that outsider is the govt. A common refrain we hear from the family elders is - hum mar gaye they kya / kya sabit karna chahte ho? Translates as 'were we dead that you went to xyz for help' and 'what did you wanted to prove by going to somebody else for help'. These kinds of comments are cultural, that is to say religion is not a distinction when such comments are made and even the elders in an Abrahamic families would hold out exactly the same comment.
 

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Yes the Orthodox of your country have remained under the overall control of the collective chruch even when they broke off from the Russian Orthodox.

About crazy styles of Orthodox yes you are right they can be quite eccentric. Recently saw an Orthodox church doing some fire related ritual that their folk were very keenly listening to. Probably some old ritual they had before conversion that they then tried to preserve in their new religion.

Culturally how do you Finns live. What kind of relations do children have with their parents and such like details.
About religion in this conflict, this is 500 years old picture of anti-christ. Guess who people see in the picture? Interesting symbolism, the "eastern side" victim in anti-christs mouth is looking at the Anti-Christ with admiring eyes and praying.. the western one is just in pain. @pmaitra, @Ray, etc...

 
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Here in India children usually move out at the like age of 17-18 but only if they are going to an engineering or medical college hostel. The life is firmly tied up with the family. Then the next possiblity of moving out is when they are looking for employment. And finally last possiblity is after marriage when the family home becomes small. People usually do remain very close with the family and even young parents start to save for their children from early on.

Won't a 18-20 year old guy moving out become dependent on the whole system of governance. Most people that age are basically unemployable even if well schooled. Does your govt. pay a substantial amount of unemployment allowance. Here in India, while nobody says no to a thing gotten for free but still families have reservations when it creates dependencies for the children. Dependencies on the outsiders even if that outsider is the govt. A common refrain we hear from the family elders is - hum mar gaye they kya / kya sabit karna chahte ho? Translates as 'were we dead that you went to xyz for help' and 'what did you wanted to prove by going to somebody else for help'. These kinds of comments are cultural, that is to say religion is not a distinction when such comments are made and even the elders in an Abrahamic families would hold out exactly the same comment.
We have the one of the highest tax rate in the Europe 42% total. So when we pay a lot of taxes, we feel it is normal to get something back. When young move out to study they get free grant for accomodation and living, if you move out you can pretty well manage without your family. Although still family wants to help, but there is no stigma for gov help, also unemployment benefits are quite good: you can get 500 days the amount of 65% of your salary. I think that in Finland ( and Nordic countries ) the wellfare and benefits system does the work that penal system does in US, because of our system our prisoners are empty.
 

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:D

But it is a spitting image of Putin. But 500 years back europeans were doing woodcuts for their reglio-political propaganda.

You know some people in India, invariably old Hindutva vaadis of traditional types, who think Indian civilization is the oldest, sometime claim that invention of Satan was to vilify Shiva. Shiva according to them was known under various names right upto europe. And even in extant Hindu mythology shiva does have a thousand names and even these are said to be only a fractional list.

Coincidently the latest round of Hindu resurgence finds inspiration from Shivaji Maharaj (King) who had taken a vow before Shiva (God) to rid the country of foreigners.

But that was a nice trick.
 

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We have the one of the highest tax rate in the Europe 42% total. So when we pay a lot of taxes, we feel it is normal to get something back. When young move out to study they get free grant for accomodation and living, if you move out you can pretty well manage without your family. Although still family wants to help, but there is no stigma for gov help, also unemployment benefits are quite good: you can get 500 days the amount of 65% of your salary. I think that in Finland ( and Nordic countries ) the wellfare and benefits system does the work that penal system does in US, because of our system our prisoners are empty.
Our tax rates seem low but most lawyers claim that we have a much lower bar for exemption from tax. Beside till recently the Indirect taxes were the bulk of taxes and thus even the poorest paid taxes. Over the years this 'tax payback as subsidy' logic was tried all across India esp. trying to lure the votes of the largely illiterate farming community. But over time they realized that nothing comes for free and even these illiterate farmers have now abandoned those who proposed these subsidies. Coincidently, recently one of the best schooled best educated part of India (Capital) has bought into this 'taxes ergo subsidy' logic.

But then you have a problem of plenty while we have the problem of scarcity.

At the same time does it not look like too much of an effort to pay to youngsters only so they do not end up as petty criminals. I mean how is Finnish system that basically gives money to ensure compliance different from US where they use prisons to ensure compliance. To my scarcity affected family oriented mind it seems like a working healthy family with robust moral fiber is the only real assurance against moral corruption. Anything else looks like too much of an effort and too costly.
 

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This is another common trail of psyche war attempts to claim that Russia has a weak force. Russia did what it has to do and proved its mettle. A few hundred shock troops entered and took a huge chunk away.

Let's face it; Neither NATO nor Russia will initiate any war. Not unless either of them have a death wish.

With a weaker Europe than before, Russia will simply pivot its economic sourcing towards east i.e. Asia. And being a resource rich country, it will simply wait it out until European nations get desperate for gas and energy sources. The pipeline via Turkey is already looking increasingly promising. And that is the reason why Germany and France are not very keen on pushing Russia any harder than now. In fact, both France and Russia were going to sign a strategic agreement with the Russians until the Ukraine coup happened and a democratic government was overthrown by CIA.

Historically, France and Germany are the only two countries who have had success with diplomatic ties with Russians (barring the WW2 where Germans were on loggerheads with Russians).
This would have meant that after Russian success in Syria, it would have made Putin all powerful in having a trade treaty signed from Lisbon to Vladivostok.

Russia has fumbled earlier due to economic constraints and poor training but as we saw in Ukraine, it is increasingly turning towards smaller, professional and meaner fighting force that can do 'shock and awe' campaigns to achieve the objective before conflict goes nuclear.

NATO's is essentially USA + France + UK + Germany + Turkey. The rest are just add ons with little or no war experience. In fact, we could even discount Germany since they haven't really fought anything close to a war (their missions in Afghanistan were very very limited with almost minimal combat experience; UK and US did all the fighting along with Turkish soldiers in Kabul alone).

Russia meanwhile has been able to gauge their weakness in the Georgian campaign and therefore improve upon it. Since 2008, it has been 7 years which is a considerable time to modernize the military.

Not glorifying Russia here, but simply saying that NATO or Russia both don't need to escalate this.

Even the last time, USA thrust itself in WW2, it left Europeans ravaged and climbed over them to dominance.

Europeans are doing the same mistake again. Except this time, you have 5 NATO countries that have almost collapsed with nothing to contribute (PIIGS), leaving the burder on the big 5 as Turks have nothing to gain from fighting Russia.
 

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The concept of antichrist is stupid and fallacious.
 

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Pavel Felgegauer the name says it all. a lackey that made a life by dancing at its masters tune.

How it works.

Western media: Wanna show Russia as a threat, write me a garbage article.

Pavel Felgegauer: Yes master


Western media: Wanna show Russia as a country on self destruction mode, write me a garbage article

Pavel Felgegaue: Yes Master.

Anybody who post an article of this idiot need to be castrated asap.
 

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"Russia is incapable of fighting a war with the west" really?
FIRST, Pavel Felgenhauer was the same guy who said that Russia couldn't win a war with the Georgians.... and the Georgian army was decimated in 5 days!
Felgenhauer initially described retaking South Ossetia from Georgia as a Russian logistical nightmare, and claimed that Russia would face a prolonged and difficult war against Georgia's "quite good military".[3] After the Russian Army routed the Georgian Army in five days, Felgenhauer claimed that Russia's invasion was pre-planned.[4] Felgenhauer's view of the 2008 South Ossetia War was criticised by Gordon Hahn, a senior researcher at the Monterey Terrorism Research Monterey and Education Program, in a Russia related mailing list where he stated that "Pavel Felgenhauer's conspiracy theory has several major holes in it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Felgenhauer


SECONDLY, what does the west and NATO constitute of? the French, surrender at the drop of a hat, probably just the tremble of Russian tanks will make them raise the white flag!. Once the American death toll reaches 1000, they will quit and run back to the new world, abandoning their European partners! The British will keep their stiff upper lip, and with their American masters gone will retreat to their little Island.... remember this is NOT the British Empire, they have barely enough troops to even defend their little island.

THIRDLY, its not HOW you fight a war that matters, its winning it!. as they say everything is fair in love and war, and also winners write the history. No one really cares what weapons or tactics you use, the western troops are too dependent on luxury, Russians on the other hand are used to hardships

here's a thought:
 
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FIRST, Pavel Felgenhauer was the same guy who said that Russia couldn't win a war with the Georgians.... and the Georgian army was decimated in 5 days!

SECONDLY, what does the west and NATO constitute of? the French, surrender at the drop of a hat, probably just the tremble of Russian tanks will make them raise the white flag!. Once the American death toll reaches 1000, they will quit and run back to the new world, abandoning their European partners! The British will keep their stiff upper lip, and with their American masters gone will retreat to their little Island.... remember this is NOT the British Empire, they have barely enough troops to even defend their little island.

THIRDLY, its not HOW you fight a war that matters, its winning it!. as they say everything is fair in love and war, and also winners write the history. No one really cares what weapons or tactics you use, the western troops are too dependent on luxury, Russians on the other hand are used to hardships

here's a thought:
Comparing Russian army and Georgia's... awww. that's so cute.
The Russian forces are based on numbers,not quality,the wars of the future will not be won by masses of soldiers and tanks like they were +/-50 years ago, but by better technology and weapons,and experience and professionalism of the soldiers, its all about experience and professionalism. NATO soldiers beat russian's in terms of knowledge,training, level of quality of training, combat experience, equipment which are factors that are immeasurable. (They don't even know how to carry well an AK,just look at their exercices) :peace: :peace: :peace: :peace:
 
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Comparing Russian army and Georgia's... awww. that's so cute.
The Russian forces are based on numbers,not quality,the wars of the future will not be won by masses of soldiers and tanks like they were +/-50 years ago, but by better technology and weapons,and experience and professionalism of the soldiers, its all about experience and professionalism. NATO soldiers beat russian's in terms of knowledge,training, level of quality of training, combat experience, equipment which are factors that are immeasurable. (They don't even know how to carry well an AK,just look at their exercices) :peace: :peace: :peace: :peace:
First, it wasnt ME who was comparing Russian, Georgean or NATO weaponry it was Pavel Felgenhaue, and he was proven wrong .... as was Hitler and Napolean before him or the Mongols before him

Secondly, too bad for NATO they still have to Man their guns..... the gun is useless if the person behind it has fled. You will have to fast forward your self to an era where AI has taken over, like in Terminator or Star-wars for such wishful thinking. Till men are fighting wars on the ground, my money will ALWAYS be on the Russians!
:russia::peace::peace::peace:
 
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First, it wasnt ME who was comparing Russian, Georgean or NATO weaponry it was Pavel Felgenhaue, and he was proven wrong .... as was Hitler and Napolean before him or the Mongols before him

Secondly, too bad for NATO they still have to Man their guns..... the gun is useless if the person behind it has fled. You will have to fast forward your self to an era where AI has taken over, like in Terminator or Star-wars for such wishful thinking. Till men are fighting wars on the ground, my money will ALWAYS be on the Russians!
:russia::peace::peace::peace:
The threat that russia represents,is its nuclear weapons,its conventionnal forces are a total joke!
You are funny.
The Russians consider you as a sh*it,they totally don't give a damn about you,who you are,where do you live...,why do you love them ? :peace: :peace: :peace:
 

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Never take seriously the words of a French.

Seriously these guys are reputed to wave the white flag at the first sign of trouble. Let him troll about Russia.
 

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About religion in this conflict, this is 500 years old picture of anti-christ. Guess who people see in the picture? Interesting symbolism, the "eastern side" victim in anti-christs mouth is looking at the Anti-Christ with admiring eyes and praying.. the western one is just in pain. @pmaitra, @Ray, etc...
Try not to drag me into your inane comments that contribute nothing to the thread except your not-so-atypical-of-you troll-factor.
 
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@jouni, you are anti-Christ. Anybody who discards the teaching of Jesus Christ is anti-Christ. You are one of the same kind - rejecting truth for protecting living standards.

You are with the devil when you support the liars that sit in Kiev today. The previous ruler was corrupt no doubt but the current ones are far worse than corrupt and have come to power using foul means.

It takes courage to accept the truth which you do not seem to have.
 
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Pavel Felgegauer the name says it all. a lackey that made a life by dancing at its masters tune.

How it works.

Western media: Wanna show Russia as a threat, write me a garbage article.

Pavel Felgegauer: Yes master


Western media: Wanna show Russia as a country on self destruction mode, write me a garbage article

Pavel Felgegaue: Yes Master.

Anybody who post an article of this idiot need to be castrated asap.
A Russian that criticizes Putin and even its country is always a western puppet,paid by the west,he serves his masters....
I now know why there's no liberty in Russia,where almost nobody dares to say something bad against Putin !! :peace: :peace: :peace:
The Russian propaganda is so powerful,i underestimated it.
 

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The threat that russia represents,is its nuclear weapons,its conventionnal forces are a total joke!
You are funny.
Dude, you can take away all the weapons from the Russians, and give them cannons and swords.... and they will still kick your as*!

They seriously don't CARE how hi-tech your weaponry is
 
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