Russia ready to sell Su-35 fighter jets to China

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SU-35 will be purchased by CHINA as it gives generation ahead technology which CHINA in use today, ( RADAR, ENGINES )

if not

Than their will be JV between two to create some J-XX type equivalent to SU-35BMs..



China cannot lose this opportunity to get his Hands on IBRIS-E AESA which will give a upper-hand in both fronts against India and SK & Japan..
Also SU-35BM package comes with better engines and AWACS killer missiles, Looking all these i can say India need to speed up not only MMRCA but AMCA projects..

Also i should mention that SU-35BM engines are AL-41F1a, Same engines will be used on PAK-FA, Its very possible Chinese may copy for their own 5G fighter, these Engines are preform better than AL-31Fp in Su-30mki..
 
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SU-35 will be purchased by CHINA as it gives generation ahead technology which CHINA in use today, ( RADAR, ENGINES )

if not

Than their will be JV between two to create some J-XX type equivalent to SU-35BMs..



China cannot lose this opportunity to get his Hands on IBRIS-E AESA which will give a upper-hand in both fronts against India and SK & Japan..
Also SU-35BM package comes with better engines and AWACS killer missiles, Looking all these i can say India need to speed up not only MMRCA but AMCA projects..

Also i should mention that SU-35BM engines are AL-41F1a, Same engines will be used on PAK-FA, Its very possible Chinese may copy for their own 5G fighter, these Engines are preform better than AL-31Fp in Su-30mki..
This AWAC killer missile is Novstar or any other missile?
 

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I highly doubt this news. Even if it's true, Russians will rob china out of this deal for sure. Something tells me Russians are setting a stage for a payback from china over it copyright violation of Russian hardware.
 

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China will not buy SU35 not because it is a bad aircraft but because China is not obsessed with matching India in every bit of military hardware. Su33 or Su35 may be somewhat more advanced than what China currently can produce by herself, in the form of J15 and J11B, but the margin is slim. And compared with the latest western offerings like Euro Fighter, Super Hornet or Stealth Eagle, not to mention F22 and F-35, they are still outgunned at every turn.

China has come a long way the past 2-3 decades and is now very close to match Russia in aerospace industry capabilities. The focus now is the future, 20 or 30 years down the road (by then Russia would likely become a marginal player in international aviation scene).
 

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China will not buy SU35 not because it is a bad aircraft but because China is not obsessed with matching India in every bit of military hardware. Su33 or Su35 may be somewhat more advanced than what China currently can produce by herself, in the form of J15 and J11B, but the margin is slim. And compared with the latest western offerings like Euro Fighter, Super Hornet or Stealth Eagle, not to mention F22 and F-35, they are still outgunned at every turn.

China has come a long way the past 2-3 decades and is now very close to match Russia in aerospace industry capabilities. The focus now is the future, 20 or 30 years down the road (by then Russia would likely become a marginal player in international aviation scene).
Please tell this to BG. she is not ready to accept that Chinese planes are state of the art and can Kick ass of any Russian made plane at any time. Also if China doesn't get Su 35 then from where they will design critical systems of their 5th generation plane like RADAR and engines ?
 

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China is not exactly a novice when it comes to designing radar. We have developed lots of AESA radars, KJ-200, KJ-2000 and PAR on 052C, then there are mechanically-scanned airbourne radars like the KJ-series (JF-17, J-10, J-11B) and JL-series (JH-7). Everything takes money, time and most important of them all, effort. Russia too had lots of trouble developing a decent airbourne radar as late as the 80's.

China is still behind (perhaps by a lot by western standard), but just like in economy she is catching up fast.
 

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What I said above regarding radar also applies to engines. WS-9 is now powering JH-7s, and WS-10 is now powering J-11Bs, and latest news has China developed an alternative (WS-13) to RD-93 for use on JF-17. Basically it does seem that China has finally overcome the bottle necks associated with engine design. There is a point of critical mass with everything in China, be it mobile phone or car or high-speed rail, once that point is reached the whole thing takes off rapidly. That point is now reached for the aero-engine industry.
 

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latest news has China developed an alternative (WS-13) to RD-93 for use on JF-17.
Just go few posts above . You guys are still importing RD -93 from Russia.
 

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Please tell this to BG. she is not ready to accept that Chinese planes are state of the art and can Kick ass of any Russian made plane at any time. Also if China doesn't get Su 35 then from where they will design critical systems of their 5th generation plane like RADAR and engines ?
I never say that CHinese planes are "state of the art". In fact, CHina has a long way to catch up with USA and EU.
However,except some subsystems, Russian-made is not on the screen of CHinese now.
 

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I never say that CHinese planes are "state of the art". In fact, CHina has a long way to catch up with USA and EU.
However,except some subsystems, Russian-made is not on the screen of CHinese now.
will see to this claim of yours. picture will be clear in a month or two.
 

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I never say that CHinese planes are "state of the art". In fact, CHina has a long way to catch up with USA and EU.
However,except some subsystems, Russian-made is not on the screen of CHinese now.
SUBSYSTEMS? You call the Import of Engines from Russia a Subsystem? hahahha :) BG you hit way beyond your weight this time! Open your eyes!
 

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China is not exactly a novice when it comes to designing radar. We have developed lots of AESA radars, KJ-200, KJ-2000 and PAR on 052C, then there are mechanically-scanned airbourne radars like the KJ-series (JF-17, J-10, J-11B) and JL-series (JH-7). Everything takes money, time and most important of them all, effort. Russia too had lots of trouble developing a decent airbourne radar as late as the 80's.

China is still behind (perhaps by a lot by western standard), but just like in economy she is catching up fast.
Developing AESA radar for fighter aircrafts is entirety different and very complicated you cant compare it with AESA in destroyers and bigger aircrafts.. India too have developed AESA radar for its AWACS but we still are struggling with developing AESA for LCA.
 

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Compare Su30Mki(Flanker) vs Su35(Super Flanker)


Your comparison results are listed side-by-side below. Remember, you can always compare 2 other aircraft if you'd like. OR compare 4 aircraft side-by-side here.

Sukhoi Su-30 (Flanker-C)Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E / Super Flanker)
MODELSukhoi Su-30 (Flanker-C)Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E / Super Flanker)
ORIGIN RussiaRussia
CONTRACTORSukhoi Design Bureau - RussiaSukhoi - Russia
TYPEAir Superiority / Strike FighterMulti-role Fighter
SERVICE START19962009
CREW21
LENGTH71.95 feet (21.93 meters) 71.85 feet (21.90 meters)
SPAN48.23 feet (14.70 meters)50.20 feet (15.30 meters)
HEIGHT20.87 feet (6.36 meters) 19.36 feet (5.90 meters)
EMPTY WT 39,022 pounds (17,700 kilograms)38,581 pounds (17,500 kilograms)
MTOW76,059 pounds (34,500 kilograms)167,684 pounds (76,060 kilograms)
POWERPLANT2 x Saturn AL-31FL turbofan engines with afterburner developing 27,560lbf thrust each.2 x Saturn 117S TVC-nozzled turbofan engines with afterburner delivering 31,900lbf each.
SPEED1,317 mph (2120 km/h) (1,145 kts)1,678 mph (2700 km/h) (1,458 kts)
RANGE1,864 miles (3,000 km)2,796 miles (4,500 km)
CEILING56,759 feet (17,300 m) (10.7 miles)59,055 ft (18,000 m) (11.2 miles)
ARMAMENT1 x 30mm GSh-30-1 cannon

External ordnance can be any combination of the following: Su30

R-27ER1 (AA-10C) "Alamo" medium-range air-to-air missiles
R-27ET1 (AA-10D) air-to-air missiles
R-73E (AA-11) airoto-air missiles
R77 RVV-AE (AA-12) air-to-air missiles
Kh-31P anti-radiation air-to-surface missiles
Kh-31A anti-radiation air-to-surface missiles
Kh-29T/L laser-guided missiles
Kh-59ME air-to-surface missiles
KAB-500KR bombs
KAB-1500KR bombs
FAB-500T bombs
OFAB-250-270 bombs 1 x 30mm Gun

Mission-specific weaponry can include any of the following: Su35

R-27 air-to-air missiles
R-40 air-to-air missiles
R-60 air-to-air missiles
R-73 air-to-air missiles
R-77 air-to-air missiles
Kh-25ML air-to-surface missiles
Kh-25MP air-to-surface missiles
Kh-29 air-to-surface missiles
Kh-31 air-to-surface missiles
Kh-59 air-to-surface missiles
S-25 IR rockets
GBU-500 laser-guided bombs
GBU-1000 laser-guided bombs
GBU-500T TV-guided bombs
GBU-1000T TV-guided bombs
HISTORYThe Sukhoi Su-30 (NATO codename of "Flanker-C") is an air superiority and strike fighter version of the Su-27 "Flanker" series. The aircraft is essentially a multi-role aircraft based on the Su-27PU two-seat, long range inter..
The Su-35 (and similar Su-37) is known as the "Super Flanker" (NATO reporting codename of "Flanker-E"). The Su-35 is based on the Su-27 Flanker air-superiority fighter developed in the 1980's with the Su-35 representing a "mo..

Relative Size Comparison*:





Sukhoi Su-30 (Flanker-C)Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E / Super Flanker)*Shapes depict aircraft square area from wingtip-to-wingtip, nose-to-tail assuming aircraft are being viewed from top-down perspective with the nose pointing up towards the top of your screen. Helicopter widths include rotor diameter. If any values are "NA", these shapes will be skewed.
Maximum Speed (Km/h):Sukhoi Su-30 (Flanker-C) 2,120Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E / Super Flanker) 2,700
Service Ceiling (Meters):Sukhoi Su-30 (Flanker-C) 17,300Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E / Super Flanker) 18,000
Maximum Range (Km):Sukhoi Su-30 (Flanker-C) 3,000Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E / Super Flanker) 4,500
Production Totals:Sukhoi Su-30 (Flanker-C) 430Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E / Super Flanker) 12
Empty Weight (Kg):Sukhoi Su-30 (Flanker-C) 17,700Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E / Super Flanker) 17,500
Maximum Weight (Kg):Sukhoi Su-30 (Flanker-C) 34,500Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E / Super Flanker) 76,060

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft_comparison_detail.asp
 
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Just go few posts above . You guys are still importing RD -93 from Russia.
Unlike projects specifically developed for the PLA such as J-10, there is news update from official sources on projects destined for foreign customers. So according to one report couple months ago a JF-17 mated with a WS-13 was doing taxing trials. This means WS-13 powered JF-17 is at least 2 years away from being put into production, even after that CAC could still offer the variant powered by RD-93. Anyway, neither FC-1 nor WS-13 are priority projects, so one should not use them as measuring sticks for China's progress in aerospace.
 

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Developing AESA radar for fighter aircrafts is entirety different and very complicated you cant compare it with AESA in destroyers and bigger aircrafts.. India too have developed AESA radar for its AWACS but we still are struggling with developing AESA for LCA.
China has developed literally hundreds of radars and they are operational in contrast to the 'technology demonstrators' developed by India. Compared to China India's expertise and more importantly her ability to manufacture radars is very very limited.
 

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China has developed literally hundreds of radars and they are operational in contrast to the 'technology demonstrators' developed by India. Compared to China India's expertise and more importantly her ability to manufacture radars is very very limited.
I thought we were discussing about Chinese capabilities to develop systems for their coming fighter planes. I know chinese are very good at numbers and they can mass produce just anything. but problem is that RADAR, Engines and avionics are not just anything . Since you tried to fool your only reliable supply by creating cheap rip offs I am sure Russia will be waiting for a chance yto pay back. so I am sure there will be no more sub systems this time . It will be complete systems and you will also have to pay in advance so no more cancellation of orders as well.
 
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China has developed literally hundreds of radars and they are operational in contrast to the 'technology demonstrators' developed by India. Compared to China India's expertise and more importantly her ability to manufacture radars is very very limited.
How many AESA radar for fighters are currently operational ?
 

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If China really buys Su 35 then it is sure that J 11 is a LEMON.

BTW even the RD 93 engines are still being asked for by the chinese for the JF 17.They want 100 more
Totally shameless these chinese
 

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