Russia Pakistan new relation whats meaning for India

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  1. hit&run

    hit&run Elite Member Elite Member

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    If USA doesn't want us to buy S-400 then it should give THAAD without strings attached and at a compatible price. Simple.
     
  2. prohumanity

    prohumanity Senior Member Senior Member

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    India is in very tough spot. If India sides with USA, then all enemies of USA become India's enemies and most of them are in India's neighborhood....such as China, Russia, Iran, Pakistan, Turkey, Qatar ,iraq and Maldives.
    Does India want to earn so many enemies for the benefit of USA ? Its a no win situation because on one hand, USA is India's natural ally..a fellow democracy, free enterprise and open society....but on the other hand are India's neighbors ..some precious ones such as Russia. I don't know how India will juggle this difficult place.
     
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    First thing, no US weapon system would come without strings attached and definitely not something as advanced as THAAD. We all know that.....

    One of the advantages with S-400 is, you can setup IADS with existing SAMs (with minor guiding tweaks) such a thing is impossible with THAAD.

    If it comes to buying THAAD than S-400, let's cancel the damn deal and work on our own BMD. AAD 2 had come out, let PDV2 also come out.
     
  4. hit&run

    hit&run Elite Member Elite Member

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    I think you missed the sarcasm.

    Of course, I know all this. I have already said in another thread that India gives no hoots about US sanctions.

    Like you said THAAD is more advanced; If they don't want us to buy S-400 then give THAAD with no strings attached at a compatible price; I repeat. :)
     
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    Flame Thrower Senior Member Senior Member

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    Oh yeah!! Totally......

    Sleeplessness and headache doesn't help you think straight.
     
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    Russian President Putin expected to visit Pakistan next month

    https://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/48...t-Putin-expected-to-visit-Pakistan-next-month


    Pakistan is looking at making a number of military upgrades to counter India and is therefore keen to build closer ties with Russia.

    Pakistan has decided to buy Russian-made Pantsir Missile System from Moscow.

    https://zeenews.india.com/india/hur...for-anti-aircraft-missile-system-2200117.html


     
  7. sorcerer

    sorcerer Senior Member Veteran Member Senior Member

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    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
    :popcorn:

    pakistan!! okay..so Russia is going to talk to pakistan which is going into splits soon :D

    India is also getting training from Russian institutes..
    Russians are getting trained here.

    well!! its all about the SCO security thinga!! for the next few years..
    India also had a joint mil. exercise with pakistan last year...under SCO framework
    OOOOHMIGWWOOOOOODDDDD!!!!
     
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    Its not just SCO. Russia has now become a hidden supporter of pakistan. Selling weapons is just tip of iceberg. There is an upcoming China-Russia alliance with NoKo, Iran, Pakistan, turkey, Syria, Venezuela, philipines being part of it.

    Its like WW2 all over again Russia-China being Germany-Italy heading axis forces. IMO we should terminate all defense deals with backstabbing Russians and start copying their weapons like chinese did in past.
     
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    garg_bharat Senior Member Senior Member

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    Russia will sell to anybody who is ready to pay. Question is: Can Pakistan pay?

    Pakistan definitely needs quick reaction SAM systems. Most of it's airfields are at risk.

    Actually we should be happy if Russia sells Pantsir to Pakistan. Most Russian systems are a known quantity to us. We would know how to defeat such systems.

    India will keep its relations with Russia. There is a large benefit in this. India is also a member of SCO.
     
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    Very possible..:rofl:
    Russian aligning with all nations thats having a terror undertone...
    what else is brewing in the propaganda menu today?

    Russia is bankrolling weapons to all these nations at own cost while its own economy is in shambles.and,,these weapons which will be used to fight terrorists who are bitching with each other over ideology..and has no net benefit for Russians .
    :popcorn:


    pakistan cant even afford 2 rotis a day and people are saying Russia will give Arms at ALMS to fight against India for pakistan,..where India and Russia is having deep rooted partnership and contracts into the future...and also India has money and economy.

    We saw the same paki hysteria when they hallucinated about buying Su30s.
    Russians are in pakistan for a reason and THAT REASON is NOT against India. :D
    enjoy the show!
     
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    patriots Defense lover Senior Member

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    Bdw if india will raise objection....then Russia won't....
    As India is a larger market than Pakistan..

    India has 1000 s of Russian tanks....in inventory and Russia is getting license fees also money for maintenance...and equipment s...

    Do u think Russia will loose a Market ...
    Which is inclined towards usa.....right now
     
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    garg_bharat Senior Member Senior Member

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    India MAY NOT raise objection in this case. This is a defensive weapon system.
     
  13. sorcerer

    sorcerer Senior Member Veteran Member Senior Member

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    1) India aligned with USA to MAN the Indian ocean..Russians dont have the REACH TO MAN the IOR with India. India is betting high on its TRADE routes in INdian ocean...India doesnt want the trade routes in its OWN INDIAN OCEAN and Arabian Sea to be the KRYPTONITE of its economy; while India is powering ahead on economy competing with NONE other than china as a world production hub of technology.

    2) With USA and allies India has access to island nations where USA and NATO has its base..its good for INDIA to maneuver her Navy assets .. Russia cant help here much either.

    Russia understands it.. and it knows who has the money...It wont work against India for the beggar pakistan, whom even PUTIN refused to meet.
     
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    sorcerer Senior Member Veteran Member Senior Member

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    The other side of the theory:

    If we go by this same theory..
    then we should also not BUY anything from USA or Sweden or Germany..UK. cuz these nations also sold and is selling weapons to pakistan.

    and the same reason...we should also stop buying chinese mal(ware) at homes

    Realistically, we should keep in mind who sold what to pakistan and at what rate...and then adjust accordingly.

    1 )ONe hand we want to be a weapons exporter competing with Russia and others..and we dont want RUSSIANS to sell to any one cuz of "FRIENDSHIP" :D

    2) We want to be SELF SUFFICIENT by stopping imports from other nations Including Russia and we cry with insecurity when Russians are opening new markets (if at all). Hey Russians have an economy and people too back at their home to feed and they need economy.

    But..dont worry!!!!

    Collaboration is the new parameter that India will be working on with Russia and other nations.
    Make in India is the beginning of a NEW era of collaboration and diplomacy.
    We always make sure that the TECHNICAL ASSYMETRY remains in India's favor

    Congress and the other anti nationals will be kicked out...as election months are a great house keeping and clean up month for the security establishment.

    Chill....have fun!!!
     
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    I really like this perspective. I think this is the most realistic vision to see India Russia ties. However people on the other side of border are celebrating this as an achievement and dreaming about future Russia-China-Pak axis against US-EU-India forces. If this is the case then we should be worried.
     
  16. sorcerer

    sorcerer Senior Member Veteran Member Senior Member

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    They celebrated their OWN Soldiers DEATHS calling them their paki pig soldiers as CROWSS!!!
    The world doesn't EXPECT any sense from paki inbred..

    There is no RUSSIA-china-pak axis.
    There is Russia-china collaboration
    pakistan is hallucinating about the pak axis..
    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
    pakis cant sustain own economy...what can pakis contribute to the AXIS?

    Russia doesnt need pakistan to get into ME.. Even china is using INDIAN influence in the ME to get into the ME for deals.
    Well!! Russia and china knows the INDIAN influence and they KNOW that India wont hesitate to do its moves these days!
    AXIS ...:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    Then we have stories like this
    Pakistan may buy advanced MiG 35 fighter Jets from Russia
    https://timesofislamabad.com/22-Apr-2019/pakistan-may-buy-advanced-mig-35-fighter-jets-from-russia

    Offering Pantsir, Mig35, to pakis and anti india propaganda on Sputnik and RT do look suspicious though.
     
  18. sorcerer

    sorcerer Senior Member Veteran Member Senior Member

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    They cant even upgrade their existing fleet of junk...nor make functional their naval assets
    and they are trying to buy migs ..
    :D
    Times of ISLAMABAD...wow!! Very very credible source (SARCASM)
     
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    Yes in recent years . Both RT and sputnik have shown bias against India. RT is European wanna be . So that explains their anti India stand .

    About mig35 to be honest that is the only decent fighter paki can afford even in the long run.

    Jf 17 is junk. F16 will cost 150 million a bird with weapons and support. They will probably go for second hand f16s .

    But it doesn't matter what paki do , the future is long range missile and Powerful ew suits with jammers and sensor fusion and these things are bloody costly.
    Lca mk1a equipped with ew , spj and derby er/ Astra mk2 will cost upwards 50million.


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    prohumanity Senior Member Senior Member

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    The headline of this thread is absurd. There is NO new relationship between Russia and Pakistan...BUT...morons can be easily mislead by pseudo libtard, fake media.
    Sadly, these fake media outlets like cnn,NBC,ABC,BBC,NYT are very dominant in media space so they can manipulate and mislead people.
    Relationship between India and Russia very solid and will remain so atleast until patriotic leaders like Vladimir Putin and Modi remain in charge.
     
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