Roma to get accepted as "Indian Diaspora"?

[Bharat Ek Khoj]

This youtube Hebrew History Channel tries to connect it with Israel.
The photo is misleading, as there's no india connection in the video. The photo might have changed later.

 

[Project Dharma]

Is there solid evidence Roma are Indian originated people?

They are a mix of Indian and Central European components although being much closer to Europeans than Indians. Their shared IBD length is 2.70 times longer with Europeans than with any Indian population.

"IBD analysis showed that Roma are closer related to European populations"

I feel that Roma have been subjugated and disowned by Europeans so much that they are struggling to find some common heritage with Indians even though it makes more sense to fight the Europeans and take their rightful place as a mostly European race.

 

[Vijyes]

They are a mix of Indian and Central European components although being much closer to Europeans than Indians. Their shared IBD length is 2.70 times longer with Europeans than with any Indian population.

"IBD analysis showed that Roma are closer related to European populations"

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I feel that Roma have been subjugated and disowned by Europeans so much that they are struggling to find some common heritage with Indians even though it makes more sense to fight the Europeans and take their rightful place as a mostly European race.

The way I see it, there are only 3 main race - Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negro. There are many sib races amongst them like Slavs, Aryan, Dravidian/Australoid and bunch of mixtures.

Ethnicity is developed over time due to isolation and endogamy.

 

[Project Dharma]

This youtube Hebrew History Channel tries to connect it with Israel.
The photo is misleading, as there's no india connection in the video. The photo might have changed later.

Looting, kidnapping, prostitution is not part of Indian culture for the most part. Whatever link the Roma might have with India, the community problems have been started in Europe over centuries and a distinct non Indian culture mixed with Catholicism has evolved. Racially too, they have mixed with whites till the point where they are mostly white with very little Indian DNA.

When the Europeans disown these poor people and call them Indians and talk about sending them back, make no mistake. They are passing down judgement on us as a culture and ascribing every negative connotation that the Roma community has unto us. As if the white race is perfect and cannot have flaws.

People with a bleeding liberal heart can do what they please. I personally will strongly push back whenever a European tries to cast the poverty and crime in their own house unto my race.

Fuck their racism. They need to own and clean up their own continent. My motherland has plenty of problems of its own.

 

[Project Dharma]

The way I see it, there are only 3 main race - Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negro. There are many sib races amongst them like Slavs, Aryan, Dravidian/Australoid and bunch of mixtures.

Ethnicity is developed over time due to isolation and endogamy.

Well this is true technically. However, we are not anthropologists and are using the term "race" loosely.

 

[Bharat Ek Khoj]

Looting, kidnapping, prostitution is not part of Indian culture for the most part. Whatever link the Roma might have with India, the community problems have been started in Europe over centuries and a distinct non Indian culture mixed with Catholicism has evolved. Racially too, they have mixed with whites till the point where they are mostly white with very little Indian DNA.

When the Europeans disown these poor people and call them Indians and talk about sending them back, make no mistake. They are passing down judgement on us as a culture and ascribing every negative connotation that the Roma community has unto us. As if the white race is perfect and cannot have flaws.

People with a bleeding liberal heart can do what they please. I personally will strongly push back whenever a European tries to caste the poverty and crime in their own house unto my race.

Fuck their racism. They need to own and clean up their own continent. My motherland has plenty of problems of its own.

Yep, just watched another video from a very popular youtube channel. He even brought lower caste into this. Typical western propaganda. Comment section is full of hatred toward them by europeans - thieves, cheaters scamsters ....

 

[dhananjay1]

Religion is private thing

Disagree. Start following dharma of the gods and I might get interested in recognizing Roma as diaspora.

 

[Soul83]

Although I believe Roma are Catholics, only Catholics follow the pope who is the Bishop of Rome. The unifying potential of Islam is much greater than Christianity at least in the modern day.

Not all Roma are catholics only some. Nowadays evangelical Christianity is popular among Roma, they create their own Roma communities/churches. Like there are black churches for example. Many Roma converted to evangelicalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy_Evangelical_Movement

They dont follow the pope.

 

[Soul83]

Religion is not private thing in india. You may know if you are following this forum. And without being Hindu, you won't find any connection with roots. India's entire root is based on Hindu culture / dharma and you will find Hindu God in every aspect of life here, Example - Yoga.

I dont think Roma should be Hindus. We need to disagree. Religion has nothing to do with culture.

 

[Soul83]

Looting, kidnapping, prostitution is not part of Indian culture for the most part. Whatever link the Roma might have with India, the community problems have been started in Europe over centuries and a distinct non Indian culture mixed with Catholicism has evolved. Racially too, they have mixed with whites till the point where they are mostly white with very little Indian DNA.

When the Europeans disown these poor people and call them Indians and talk about sending them back, make no mistake. They are passing down judgement on us as a culture and ascribing every negative connotation that the Roma community has unto us. As if the white race is perfect and cannot have flaws.

People with a bleeding liberal heart can do what they please. I personally will strongly push back whenever a European tries to cast the poverty and crime in their own house unto my race.

Fuck their racism. They need to own and clean up their own continent. My motherland has plenty of problems of its own.

They are not "mostly white" with very little indian DNA. Thats false. I quoted already they are 50% indian and 50% european and middle eastern. Many Roma look just like Indians. If you go to a Roma settlement and they will think you are one of them. If they were mostly white they would look white.
"You walk to a Roma community and people of course think you are one of them".

 

[Soul83]

They are a mix of Indian and Central European components although being much closer to Europeans than Indians. Their shared IBD length is 2.70 times longer with Europeans than with any Indian population.

"IBD analysis showed that Roma are closer related to European populations"

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I feel that Roma have been subjugated and disowned by Europeans so much that they are struggling to find some common heritage with Indians even though it makes more sense to fight the Europeans and take their rightful place as a mostly European race.

Brahmins are also closer related to Europeans then Lower Castes and Southindians, thats a misleading term. I told you westeuroasian doesnt mean European. http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...-descent-lower-castes-of-asians/1/230848.html
A controversial genetic study says upper caste Indians are closer to Europeans and lower castes to Asians.

Now are upper castes really European? You just need to look at Roma Faces and see they are not Europeans. They are brown.

Here is a picture of me and my mum (I wont post my dad because was lighter skinned because he was 3/4 serb and only 1/4 roma). My mum is full Roma.

 

[Project Dharma]

Religion has nothing to do with culture.

Indian culture which includes the behavior, thinking of individuals is heavily influenced by Hindu culture. And I say that as a non Hindu (Sikh). If it weren't for Hinduism, I wouldn't be Indian culturally.

 

[Bharat Ek Khoj]

I dont think Roma should be Hindus. We need to disagree. Religion has nothing to do with culture.

I don't want Roma to be hindu. But the culture itself is Hindu here, derived from Sindhu. So Roma will find hard time to connect to root, same way muslim are unable to connect to european culture.

 

[Razor]

Religion is quite integral to a culture; esp in its formative times.

 

[Soul83]

Indian culture which includes the behavior, thinking of individuals is heavily influenced by Hindu culture. And I say that as a non Hindu (Sikh). If it weren't for Hinduism, I wouldn't be Indian culturally.

If you can be sikh and hinducentric, I think its not problem for Roma. Im christian but also respect ancient beliefs. I like also hindu art, the portraits and sculptures of God. And I think its a great philosophy I also believe in Karma, Karma is a very smart concept.

 

[Bharat Ek Khoj]

Brahmins are also closer related to Europeans then Lower Castes and Southindians, thats a misleading term. I told you westeuroasian doesnt mean European. http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...-descent-lower-castes-of-asians/1/230848.html

That study is BS. Because both upper caste lower caste belong to same people.

 

[Berkut]

Long time ago, during my sailing days we took on board a few specialists in Copenhagen on the engine side for working on a xenon plant, who as per the manifest were all Romanians.

Giving them a safety brief I couldn't help but think that these Europeans could very well be from Gurdaspur or Bhatinda or somewhere in the Punjab. While I was staring at them, the British fourth officer whispers to me "yea, too much sun mate".

I never got to chat in detail with our Punjabi Europeans but the Chief Engineer later mentioned that they were Roma

 

[Vijyes]

If you can be sikh and hinducentric, I think its not problem for Roma. Im christian but also respect ancient beliefs. I like also hindu art, the portraits and sculptures of God. And I think its a great philosophy I also believe in Karma, Karma is a very smart concept.

It is not a problem to accept Gypsies/Romas as Indian diaspora. The question is what is the goal to be achieved? Will all the Romas accept the same?

 

[airtel]

I dont think Roma should be Hindus. We need to disagree. Religion has nothing to do with culture.

Every Indian state Has different Culture ,Language & traditions .

Tamil Hindus are Totally different than Bengali Hindus (or other Hindus ) ...........After reading about Roma people I think Roma = Banjara Community .
and these Banjara community member migrated to Europe after race Mixing they have Fare Skin .

now the culture of Banjara community is different than Rest of the Hindus .............but there is no conflict .

there are thousands of Tibetan (Buddhists ) refugees Living in India without any problem they successfully integrated into Indian society even with a different culture & language ............but there are religious conflicts between Hindus and Muslims (converted ) and Christians (converted ) even with same language & similar culture .


there are Many fair skinned people in India (especially North India ) so skin color would not create any problem , Look at the kashmiri Girls

.........Look at the skin color of Modi & trump ...........if You can speak local language then nobody will be able to identify .

but if Government accepts 10 Million Muslims or Christians then it will Change demography & create religious conflicts & riots .

 

[Project Dharma]

but if Government accepts 10 Million Muslims or Christians then it will Change demography & create religious conflicts & riots .

I agree with you. However, this thread is not about immigration as much as just a token recognition of their origin from India. Even the OCI card is limited to people whose great grandparents had ties to India at the time of Independence. We are talking about going back to more than a 1000 years here!

I even don't agree with that recognition. Please look at these threads on Reddit and tell me if we want the Indian brand to be associated with all these problems:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dep6b/euroredditors_whats_the_big_deal_with_gypsies/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1f3bok/what_makes_europeans_hate_gypsies_so_much_are/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3ihatj/do_you_have_any_stories_about_gypsies/

Once the European countries help the Roma community fix their crime problem and help them return to society, I have no problem with recognizing them as Indian diaspora.

Immigration is something I will never support in a resource starved and already overpopulated country.