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in reality many nations and countries back then, were more civilized than Soviet Union was through it's whole existence.
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Peasant also had very low taxes, to pay a tax for king, their lord and church, they needed to work only approx 40 days in the year, now compare this to how much you need to work to pay your taxes.
Any links for this statement. It would be interesting if it is true....

As for crimes punishment, death penalty is a good punishment, I do not imagine why I should pay taxes to keep alive and feed criminals who are notorious? We should keep alive pedophiles? I would not mind to kill them in a way, that would give a lot of thinking other who want to harm children. IMHO very good punishment would be hanging, drawn and quartering them, same for notorious murderes.
+1. Death penalty on average prevents 8 murders or so I read..

As for the right to have own firearm, I support this law, it is a good law to have capability to defend yourself. Let's say a man armed with a knife get's inside your house and want to kill you and your family, don't even say you will fight him hand to hand, I heard what people that are masters in their hand to hand combat said about this, even for them it is suicide, and the Police can't get in to the place in several seconds, so you need to have a right and tool to defend yourself, your family, your home.
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Any links for this statement. It would be interesting if it is true....
It is, however the problem is that it is completely in Polish. I was also actually surprised with this when I heard it,through a Captain of castle Chojnik, he is a person who cares about castle and he is interested and well educated person in case of medieval Europe and such things, here is a link to a interview made with him by young enthusiasts, he is basing his knowledge on historical books, although I do not know which as I was also searching for such informations, he however during whole interview mentions some sources. Hmmm perhaps some day I will try to contact with him or I will search through my young fellow historians that have access to books stored on UMK university.


Although remember that he is mainly talking about medieval history of Poland, but in general back then, standards in Poland were more or less same as in rest of medieval europe.

PS. Oh yeah, he talks that one of his sources is Prof. Henryk Samsonowicz, I will try to find his books.

In general it is best to seek more recent historical books that have much more accurate informations about these times. Problem with history is that this science is very fluid, after 40 or 50 years the view on many subject can change through 180 degrees. ;)

+1. Death penalty on average prevents 8 murders or so I read..
Yup.
 
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It is, however the problem is that it is completely in Polish. I was also actually surprised with this when I heard it,through a Captain of castle Chojnik, he is a person who cares about castle and he is interested and well educated person in case of medieval Europe and such things, here is a link to a interview made with him by young enthusiasts, he is basing his knowledge on historical books, although I do not know which as I was also searching for such informations, he however during whole interview mentions some sources. Hmmm perhaps some day I will try to contact with him or I will search through my young fellow historians that have access to books stored on UMK university.


Although remember that he is mainly talking about medieval history of Poland, but in general back then, standards in Poland were more or less same as in rest of medieval europe.
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Thanks. If possible, pls get a English version.

IIRC, Poland as well as the rest of eastern europe fell behind west (by a large gap anyway) only during the Cold war ,yeah?
 
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IIRC, Poland as well as the rest of eastern europe fell behind west (by a large gap anyway) only during the Cold war ,yeah?
Yeah, socialism actually destroyed everything achieved by our ancestors, even when Poland was part of Russian empire and our king was Tsar, the culture, economy was comparable or slightly inferior to western europe. In fact this might interest you.


There are several interesting anegdots for a period of Tsar rule in Poland, for example during one of Rebelions, a Grand Duke Constantine Pavlovich of Russia seeing a Polish Cavalry (yeah, there was Polish Army being part of Russia's Empire Army) was standing and shouting something like "look how my beautifull cavalry storms!" even if they were actually attacking troops under his command. :D

But these were a different times, different mentality. Socialism destroyed all of that, both in Poland, Russia, everywhere it was, which is sad.

BTW @Mad Indian, if you wish to discuss this or something, perhaps a new thread or we can discuss this subject on PM?
 
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Yeah, socialism actually destroyed everything achieved by our ancestors, even when Poland was part of Russian empire and our king was Tsar, the culture, economy was comparable or slightly inferior to western europe. In fact this might interest you.


There are several interesting anegdots for a period of Tsar rule in Poland, for example during one of Rebelions, a Grand Duke Constantine Pavlovich of Russia seeing a Polish Cavalry (yeah, there was Polish Army being part of Russia's Empire Army) was standing and shouting something like "look how my beautifull cavalry storms!" even if they were actually attacking troops under his command. :D

But these were a different times, different mentality. Socialism destroyed all of that, both in Poland, Russia, everywhere it was, which is sad.
I thought so. But the history we read, as most is written by leftists, is that eastern europe was very poor(Poland included) and communism saved your economy and improved the conditions of the people

BTW @Mad Indian, if you wish to discuss this or something, perhaps a new thread or we can discuss this subject on PM?
Sure. Either is ok(PM or seperate thread). I am very much interested in knowing the life style , economy and standard of living of Polish people, before,during and after Socialist period. Because, most of what I read seem to be very biased!
 
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Any links for this statement. It would be interesting if it is true....



+1. Death penalty on average prevents 8 murders or so I read..



Agreed :usa:.
despite the fact that its the US which has the highest Incarnation Rate in world, around 1 of 32 are held by their legal system in fact, but still the crime rates are going down, which is mainly due to rise in arm sale, as per this news.......

but from here, you do need to make sure every one of US is armed including kids to defend themselves in case someone loses his mental balance, like a recent attack scoring 28 , including 20 kids, in one go......... look on the type of arms which are sold to public in US, in between 0.40min to 0.10min of this video. you can't just defend yourself from these arms if you only have pistol type things in pocket. hence, why dont you provide proper arm training to all from even schooling in US? isn't it fair to train them first before arming????

and this is what we are discussing in this news, the current state of US where even kids need to be provided with proper arm training with arms in their pockets to defend themselves. and under this certain state of US, we also have a news that credit agencies may again downgrade US as they are going to break down debt ceiling again, which is mainly because around 44% of US's budget goes to Social Security+Medical only, which results in around $3.8billion borrowing every day, or the minimum $1.2trillions every year, as discussed in this thread before too.........:toilet:

from here, we are waiting for that certain end of this society, that certain time when people won't be provided with welfare and then they will start using their arms to rob whoever they find on the streets, to feed themselves in either way :usa:
 
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And here are some "lovely" fellows in your beloved former soviet union's main republic, Russia. I didn't seen such actions in USA. So as I understand hello_10 you are attacking USA to just feel better, that there is perhaps other land where similiar things happen? :lol:
look, if you are so much keen to discuss about SU then open a new thread about this topic, I will answer there.:wave:

please come with few responses concerning the current state of US, 'only', as per the topic of this thread. thanks :thumb:
 

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despite the fact that its the US which has the highest Incarnation Rate in world, around 1 of 32 are held by their legal system in fact, but still the crime rates are going down, which is mainly due to rise in arm sale, as per this news.......

but from here, you do need to make sure every one of US is armed including kids to defend themselves in case someone loses his mental balance, like a recent attack scoring 28 , including 20 kids, in one go......... look on the type of arms which are sold to public in US, in between 0.40min to 0.10min of this video. you can't just defend yourself from these arms if you only have pistol type things in pocket. hence, why dont you provide proper arm training to all from even schooling in US? isn't it fair to train them first before arming????

and this is what we are discussing in this news, the current state of US where even kids need to be provided with proper arm training with arms in their pockets to defend themselves. and under this certain state of US, we also have a news that credit agencies may again downgrade US as they are going to break down debt ceiling again, which is mainly because around 44% of US's budget goes to Social Security+Medical only, which results in around $3.8billion borrowing every day, or the minimum $1.2trillions every year, as discussed in this thread before too.........:toilet:

from here, we are waiting for that certain end of this society, that certain time when people won't be provided with welfare and then they will start using their arms to rob whoever they find on the streets, to feed themselves in either way :usa:
Except providing welfare will worsen the US debt. And so your whole reasoning is flawed!

Also, if some one knows, I own a gun, no one will try to rob me. Possession of arms in that case will help increase the stability in case of a economic meltdown brought by the useless socialist policies in USA.
 

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Except providing welfare will worsen the US debt. And so your whole reasoning is flawed!

Also, if some one knows, I own a gun, no one will try to rob me. Possession of arms in that case will help increase the stability in case of a economic meltdown brought by the useless socialist policies in USA :usa:.
this way everyone will defend him/herself with a gun on hands, no need of army or police too. :thumb:

and thats what we are waiting to see, lets see when :ranger:
 
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this way everyone will defend him/herself with a gun on hands, no need of army or police too. :thumb:

and thats what we are waiting to see, lets see when :ranger:
So the presence of knifes in all the homes precluded the sword armies in the pre-gunpowder era?:rolleyes:
 

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Warning shot: Gun violence lands US lowest life expectancy among rich nations :us:
(Reuters / Jessica Rinaldi)

Widespread gun ownership and lax firearms controls were deemed major reasons for the US topping a list of violent deaths in wealthy nations. The study comes amid a fiery gun control debate, triggered by the fatal school shooting at Sandy Elementary.

The 378-page survey by a panel of experts from the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council, listed unintentional injuries, quite often caused by guns, among reasons why people in America die young more often than in other countries.

"The prevalence of firearms in the United States looms large as an explanation for higher death rates from violence, suicidal impulses, and accidental shootings," read the recent study, based on a broad review of mortality and health studies and statistic.

The blame placed on firearms – that in the US are often being stored unlocked at home –comes amid an increasingly divided battle over American gun regulation. Fiery debate on the issue was triggered anew by the deadly shooting in a Newtown school. The massacre on December 14 claimed lives of 26 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School, Conn. – 20 of whom were children.

The study highlights "dramatic" numbers of arms possessions in the US.

For example, the United States has the highest rate of firearm ownership among peer countries — 89 civilian-owned firearms for every 100 Americans, and the US is home to about 35 to 50 per cent of the world's civilian-owned firearms, the report noted.

"One behavior that probably explains the excess lethality of violence and unintentional injuries in the United States is the widespread possession of firearms and the common practice of storing them (often unlocked) at home," said the survey.

The United States has about six violent deaths per 100,000 residents, says the report, that also reviewed Canada, Japan, Australia and much of Western Europe. None of the 16 other countries examined in the study came anywhere close to that figure. Finland, which is said to have slightly more than two violent deaths per 100,000 residents, was closest to the US in the table.

"Although US youth may be no more violent than those in other countries, they are more likely to carry a firearm. In a survey of high school students in Boston, 5 percent reported carrying a firearm," showed the study.

The researches listed homicide as the second leading cause of death among people aged 15-24, adding that the large majority of those homicides often involve firearms.

"The presence of a firearm in the home is a risk factor for suicide: fully 52 percent of all US suicides involve a firearm," researchers found out.

The survey revealed that the life expectancy for men in the United States ranked the lowest among the 17 countries reviewed, at 75.6 years, while women ranked second lowest at 80.7 years.

To explain this, the researchers examined three categories: the US health care system, harmful behaviors and social and economic conditions.

Thus, in addition to the impact of gun violence, Americans consume the most calories among peer countries and are involved in more accidents involving alcohol and drug use. AIDS and infant mortality have been also listed among reasons of lower life expectancy.

"With lives and dollars at stake, the United States cannot afford to ignore this problem," the report said.

Gun control debate reloaded

The horrific Newtown shooting has once again sparked debates over the nation's gun laws. Many politicians and public figures called for new restrictions, whilst gun rights defenders claim the ban on arms violates the second Amendment and will not stop shooters, because the "real problem is the criminal".

Vice- President Joe Biden, whose leading a panel on the issue, formed after 20 schoolchildren and six adults were killed on December 14, kicked off a series of meetings on gun violence Wednesday. It will negotiate with gun-control advocates and gun-rights supporters.

His group is expected to recommend to Congress the reinstatement of an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.

President Obama has vowed to make gun control his priority as soon as he begins his second term on January 20.

The president said he believes that most Americans would support the reinstatement of a ban on the sale of military-style assault weapons as well as background checks on buyers before all gun purchases.

Warning shot: Gun violence lands US lowest life expectancy among rich nations — RT
 

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Over a quarter of US kids on food stamps, under-50s dying young
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American health is in decline as new data finds that one in four US kids are on food stamps as of fiscal year 2011 and the younger generation is more prone to death and poorer health levels compared to their counterparts in other developed nations.

Almost 20 million children out of 73.9 million under the age of 18 were in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), or food stamps, in 2011, according to data from the United States Department of Agriculture and US Census Bureau. :usa:

Moreover, children accounted for 45 per cent of aid receivers.
(because of fcuk and run culture of US, leaving these Single Mother kids on the mercy of Welfare.) :usa:

The number of people using the food stamp program has been on a rise, since 2009 about 15.5 million more individuals have been added to SNAP.

Latest data released for the month of October 2012 shows the drastic increase with one in 6.5 Americans using SNAP, while in the 1970s only one in 50 were part of the program. :tsk:

Alabama Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions argues that US is not working towards any real solutions for the problem.

"It has become sadly clear that Agriculture Secretary Vilsack wishes to make welfare part of the normal American experience, with no regard for social or economic consequences," Sessions told The Daily Caller.

Americans have lowest probability of surviving till 50 :facepalm:

Also, new evidence revealed that younger generation of US citizens (those under 50) die earlier and have poorer health than their counterparts in other developed nations, according to a new study of health and longevity in US.

US men ranked last in life expectancy among the 17 countries in the study, and American women as second to last.

The 378-page report by a panel of experts convened by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council was based on a broad review of mortality and health studies and statistics and included other countries such as, Canada, Japan, Australia, France, Germany and Spain.

More specifically, US male deaths before the age of 50 account for two-thirds of the difference in life expectancy when compared to their counterparts in other countries and about one-third of the difference for females.

Americans have also a higher rate of death from guns, car accidents and drug addiction. :usa:

"Something fundamental is going wrong," chairman of the Department of Family Medicine at Virginia Commonwealth University Steven Woolf told the New York Times. "Something at the core is causing the US to slip behind these other high-income countries. And it's getting worse."

The rate of firearm homicides was 20 times higher in the US than in the other countries, according to the report.

The US also had the second-highest death rate from the most common form of heart disease and the second-highest death rate from lung disease.
Americans even had the lowest probability of surviving till the age of 50.

The study attempts to explain such low results by highlighting American disjointed healthcare system with a large number of uninsured citizens and high levels of poverty in the country as possible reasons for the outcome.

These realities have taken their toll on the US annual rankings of World's Happiest Countries as US has slipped from 10th to 12th place for the first time in the six-year history of the Legatum Institute's Prosperity Index.

The US is now behind Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the Scandinavian countries, including Norway, Denmark and Sweden, which ranked top three in the index.

Over a quarter of US kids on food stamps, under-50s dying young – reports — RT
 

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Thousands march against gun violence in Washington
Jan 26, 2013

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Thousands of marchers rallied in Washington in favour of gun control on Saturday, including residents of Newtown, Connecticut, where a mass elementary school shooting reignited the U.S. gun violence debate.

Speakers - including Education Secretary Arne Duncan, lawmakers and actors - urged the protesters carrying such signs as "What Would Jesus Pack?" to lobby Congress and state legislators to back gun control measures.

Duncan, who said one student had died from guns every two weeks while he was chief executive of Chicago's public schools, denied that gun control was about limiting firearm rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. Murders in that city last year rose to the highest level since 2008, according to police.

"This is about gun responsibility. This is about gun safety. This is about fewer dead Americans, fewer dead children, fewer children living in fear," Duncan said.

Organizers backed President Barack Obama's call for a ban on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines and background checks for all gun sales. They also urged safety training for all buyers of firearms.

Marchers stretched for several blocks along Constitution Avenue as they approached the rally site in the shadow of the Washington Monument.

Participants included politicians from Maryland and the District of Columbia, including Washington Mayor Vincent Gray, as well as actress Kathleen Turner and Marian Wright Edelman, founder of the Children's Defense Fund.

90-MINUTE RALLY

The protest came a week after gun rights supporters held rallies across the United States to oppose firearms control.

The 90-minute rally was organized by Molly Smith, artistic director of Washington's Arena Stage, and her partner, and co-sponsored by One Million Moms for Gun Control, an advocacy group.

One Million Moms organized similar events on Saturday in about a dozen cities, including San Francisco and Austin, Texas.

About 100 residents of Newtown and surrounding areas attended the rally and march down Constitution Avenue. A gunman killed 20 first-graders and six adults on December 14 at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, and numerous speakers and marchers said that rampage had spurred them to act.

"It's difficult to get laws changed when politicians are bought out, but we have to start somewhere," said Amy Journo, 38, an occupational therapist whose two sons, ages 5 and 7, attended Sandy Hook.

"I want to ensure that they (children) are safer, not just my children but all across the United States," Journo said.


A spokesman for the U.S. Capitol Police declined to give an estimate of crowd size, citing department policy.

Obama's proposals, the most significant attempt at gun-control in decades, face an uphill battle in Congress. The proposals are strongly opposed by gun advocates, such as the powerful National Rifle Association.

The lobbying group has said that current laws need better enforcement, issues of mental health should be addressed and that tighter laws could not have prevented Newtown.

About 11,100 Americans died in gun-related killings in 2011, according to preliminary data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. There were 19,766 suicides by firearms in 2011, the CDC said. :usa:

Thousands march against gun violence in Washington - Yahoo! News UK

'Take me shooting, Dad!': US gun makers target pre-teens as clients

US gun manufacturers are aggressively courting underage customers in a bid to revitalize the ageing customer base. The industry spends millions on setting up competitions, publishing magazines and releasing games aimed at children as young as ten. :toilet:

'Take me shooting, Dad!': US gun makers target pre-teens as clients — RT
 
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hello_10 is just pathethic idiot (only idiot can believe he live in a state that does not exist for last 22 years :pound: ), I recommend to ignore this troll, perhaps he will go away... some day.
 

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Equating training American kids to enjoy shooting sports with neo-nazism is idiotic beyond words. I regret even having to add anything to this pathetic thread.
sir the above news of post#113, tells us the 3 main things happening in US as below:
(along with debt crisis, which has made a question on the US's economy, to the extent they may borrow debt, the reason they have lost their AAA rating also as they now have over 100% debt to GDP ratio....)

1st, number of Militia's has jumped from hardly 149 in 2008 to 1,274 by last year, since financial crisis even if US has borrowed over $7.2 trillions extra debt since early 2008 to maintain Welfare for its civilians, while the US's economy grew by around 2.4% only, as compare to the late 2007)

http://www.usdebtclock.org/ to date at around $16.5 trillions debt right now

http://www.usdebtclock.org/2008.html debt level at $9.3 trillions by early 2008

2nd, total number of deaths in US due to guns, the mostly armed country of world with having 90 guns per 100 civilian population
About 11,100 Americans died in gun-related killings in 2011, according to preliminary data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. There were 19,766 suicides by firearms in 2011, the CDC said.
3rd, this serious jump of gun related crimes, along with high borrowing, has pushed US's citizens have more guns, including providing gun training to teenagers also :tsk:

I hope you get it, the '3' main points of my last post :thumb:
 
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1st, number of Militia's has jumped from hardly 149 in 2008 to 1,274 by last year, since financial crisis even if US has borrowed over $7.2 trillions extra debt since early 2008 to maintain Welfare for its civilians, while the US's economy grew by around 2.4% only, as compare to the late 2007)

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time to date at around $16.5 trillions debt right now

U.S. National Debt Clock 2008 debt level at $9.3 trillions by early 2008
Militias are only problem to morons like you. In fact Militias can be a positive movement for a country if properly managed by goverment and can help countries law enforcement and military forces if nececary. For example Militias might be organized as local support units for National Guard Units and State Defense Forces. Simple as that. Not to mention that most of these Militias are real patriots contrary to that damn Obama who does not respect the constitution and laws that it gives to the people.

2nd, total number of deaths in US due to guns, the mostly armed country of world with having 90 guns per 100 civilian population
So what? Perhaps we should also ban cars, because of how many people die in car accidents? You have a typical socialist mentality, ban everything from people and make them slaves, then they definetely be safe. Such socialist mentality shows your IQ on a level of grasshoper IQ.

3rd, this serious jump of gun related crimes, along with high borrowing, has pushed US's citizens have more guns, including providing gun training to teenagers also
So what? It is actually positive because it makes country safer if anything bad will happen. Do you imagine eventuall ocupation of the USA? It would be immposible because occupant would need to face the biggest insurgency ever, it would need to literally fight with whole nation, task immposible to accomplish. Not to mention that providing firearms training to teenagers better prepars them to eventuall military or law enforcement service as well it will reduce time and costs of training because such people will be allready familiar with firearms as well as due to their recreational shooting and training with firearms, from the beggining thy will have better effects during their military training.

Only because from time to time there is idiot or psycho that shoots to people it does not mena that whole nation should be punished by a left wing pussies.

Not to mention that people are safer if they can defend theirselfs. And someone who attacks me at night in the street does not need to have a firearm, knife is everything he needs, so how I could defend myself? I do not have time to call police and wait for them, that criminal won't wait.

hope you get it, the '3' main points of my last post
So what next you will call for? Ban all kitchen knifes, ban for cars, perhaps even ban to travelling via airplanes, all of them are dangerous afterall and can kill people? Now you see how stupid are your beliefes? So shut up.
 

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2nd Amendment of US Constitution addresses arms and militias in a favorable way. That liberals and progressives want to change the image of those concepts is a threat to the Republic.

Clearly hello_10 would like the the USSR resurrected in the United States.:shocked:
 
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