Rise of Neo-Nazi groups in USA

[Godless-Kafir]

And this is exactly capitalism.



But capitalism made every nation grate. Be it British Empire, pre first world war Germany, as you say USA, Canada, or for example Japan. Even Chinese improved their economy thanks to capitalism, not socialism, despite that China is ruled by socialist monoparty.

Capitalism is just apex and best of economic systems.

Yup thats what i am saying.

Exagaration. Allready in USA where capitalism is still very strongly supported, there are slow but steady attempts to use more fuel efficent and cleaner energy sources.

Its not capitalism that is the problem but human nature. There are certain aspects like technological lock in with oil which will make it cheaper than any other source available for atleast the next 50 years.

I have researched into green technology extensively because i wanted to get into it, green technology is even worse than oil. People cut down rain forests to plant Sugarcane, Palm or other bio fuel plants instead. In Indonesia and Brazil where gasification and ethanol is catching up they cut down rain forests at alarming rates to plant bio-fuel plants. Those green fuels may end up clearing real greenery while atleast oil requires nothing to be produced except refining.

 

[Damian]

Its not capitalism that is the problem but human nature. There are certain aspects like technological lock in with oil which will make it cheaper than any other source available for atleast the next 50 years.

I have researched into green technology extensively because i wanted to get into it, green technology is even worse than oil. People cut down rain forests to plant Sugarcane, Palm or other bio fuel plants instead. In Indonesia and Brazil where gasification and ethanol is catching up they cut down rain forests at alarming rates to plant bio-fuel plants. Those green fuels may end up clearing real greenery while atleast oil requires nothing to be produced except refining.

I had something else in mind, like hybrid engines, completely electric engines or hydrogen. But as allways we need to wait untill military makes it's transition to such alternatives, because most leaps forward makes military not civilian sector.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

I had something else in mind, like hybrid engines, completely electric engines or hydrogen. But as allways we need to wait untill military makes it's transition to such alternatives, because most leaps forward makes military not civilian sector.

That is true, everything from the internet was made for the military. The whole process is revolving around war and war profit, we can only play with fire so much.

Anyway i am not against any of this, i am in for the ride and i am going to enjoy it. I am just saying what i see thats all.

P.S. Hybrid vehicles need electricity and i have mentioned the green alternative.

 

[Damian]

P.S. Hybrid vehicles need electricity and i have mentioned the green alternative.

IMHO best option is completely electric drive (also from the military point of view), but there are years before this solution will be perfected and reliable.

In such case the energy can be produced by much cleaner nuclear plants or even more clean fusion reactors... if problems with them will be overcome.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

IMHO best option is completely electric drive (also from the military point of view), but there are years before this solution will be perfected and reliable.

In such case the energy can be produced by much cleaner nuclear plants or even more clean fusion reactors... if problems with them will be overcome.

I thought changing batteries in cars at fuel stations just like refueling a car is a better alternative instead of charging them and waiting for long hours.

However we have an issue with technology lock in, where oil is the cheapest alternative and market economics favor the cheapest source.

If what they say is true about USA and canada haveing more oil than Saudi then oil will remain way cheaper for longer time.

Nuclear plants still have loads of issues like spent fuel but as i said oil and coal is cheaper.

 

[Damian]

I thought changing batteries in cars at fuel stations just like refueling a car is a better alternative instead of charging them and waiting for long hours.

Interesting idea, indeed.

 

[hello_10]

December 5, 2012

WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama told about 105 chief executives of big companies Wednesday that higher-income Americans—including those in the audience—should face higher tax rates. A few blocks away, Republicans huddled with small-business owners to promote the argument that a rate increase would stifle the economy.

The dueling events perfectly illustrated how the two parties are courting different allies in the private sector as each aims to deploy public pressure in the stalled "fiscal cliff" budget talks.

Obama, GOP Each Pitch to Business - WSJ.com

Nearly half of Americans don't pay income tax

WASHINGTON - Already scrambling to steady a struggling campaign, Republican Mitt Romney confronted a new headache Monday after a video surfaced showing him telling wealthy donors that almost half of all Americans "believe they are victims" entitled to extensive government support. He added that as a candidate for the White House, "my job is not to worry about those people."

At a hastily called news conference late Monday, Romney conceded the comments weren't "elegantly stated" and that they were spoken "off the cuff."

President Barack Obama's campaign quickly seized on the video, obtained by the magazine Mother Jones and made public on a day that Romney's campaign conceded it needed a change in campaign strategy to gain momentum in the presidential race.

"There are 47 per cent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney is shown saying in a video posted online by the magazine. "There are 47 per cent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

"Forty-seven per cent of Americans pay no income tax," Romney said.

Romney said his role "is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Romney's campaign did not dispute the authenticity of the video, instead releasing a statement seeking to clarify his remarks. "Mitt Romney wants to help all Americans struggling in the Obama economy," spokeswoman Gail Gitcho said. "He is concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government."

About 46 per cent of Americans owed no federal income tax in 2011, although many of them paid other forms of taxes. More than 16 million elderly Americans avoid federal income taxes solely because of tax breaks that apply only to the elderly, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

Obama's campaign called the video "shocking."

"It's hard to serve as president for all Americans when you've disdainfully written off half the nation," Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said in a statement.

The private remarks are the latest in a string of comments from the multimillionaire Republican businessman whom Democrats have criticized as out of touch. During the primary campaign, Romney insisted that he was "not concerned" about the very poor, and said that his wife drove a "couple of Cadillacs." Aides to Obama's campaign said the latest video would help them continue to make the case that Romney doesn't understand the concerns of average Americans.

Voters say they believe Obama has a better understanding of their problems and concerns than Romney does. A CBS/New York Times poll showed 60 per cent of likely voters said Obama understands the needs and problems of people like them, while 37 per cent said he did not. For Romney, the same question found that 46 per cent felt he did understand people's needs, 48 per cent said he didn't.

The remarks came at a closed-door fundraiser that Mother Jones reported occurred after Romney had clinched the Republican nomination. To protect the identity of the person who provided the remarks, Mother Jones blurred out the video and did not provide the date or location of the fundraiser. Romney formally clinched the nomination May 29 and formally accepted it last month at the Republican convention in Tampa.

Mitt Romney: Nearly half of Americans don't pay income tax, 'believe they are victims'

 

[hello_10]

Now living in America has just one meaning, pay high tax and feed their shiits for nothing

41% of America unemployed, 1 in 3 doesn't want work at all
19 October, 2012

Even if the US Labor Department has determined that the unemployment level has finally plateaued after months of staggering jobs statistics, the truth behind the numbers isn't all that nice. Only four out of every 10 adults in the US is employed.

While the percentage of Americans filing jobless benefit claims isn't what it was during an unemployment epidemic that ravaged the country throughout the majority of US President Barack Obama's administration, the Labor Department's numbers are largely inflated on account of how they determine what actually constitutes looking for work.

Officially, the unemployment rate in America for the month of September was only 7.8 per cent, but that statistic stems from only the number of citizens who have been actively searching for a paycheck. In reality, only around 5 per cent of the adult population in the US is unemployed in the eyes of the government, because they have been handing in applications during the four weeks before the Labor Department conducted their research. Additionally, another 3 per cent are interested in work, but haven't actively engaged in a job hunting during that span, creating an unemployment figure of just under 8 per cent.

The real figures, however, reveal a much scarier statistic.

"The employment-to-population ratio is the best measure of labor market conditions and it currently shows that there has been almost no improvement whatsoever over the past three years," Paul Ashworth, chief North American economist for Capital Economics, writes in a note to clients obtained by CNN. That figure, which accounts for the proportion of working Americans compared with the number of adults in the country, is a lot higher than 8 per cent.

For now, 58.7 per cent of American adults are working if the actual employment-population ratio is taken into consideration, leaving about 82 million, or almost 41 per cent of people unemployed. Only 8 per cent, however, are even interested in work, leaving 33 per cent of Americans not only jobless — but with no desire for work.

"The ratio expresses more clearly how many people find working to be a 'good or attractive deal,'" Tyler Cowen, economist and director of the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, adds to CNN.

If the numbers seem drastic, it's because they are. So rampant in fact is the country's seeming disregard for work that other just-released statistics show that funding welfare programs for the American population was the most expensive endeavor undertaken in all of Fiscal Year 2011.

Republicans on the Senate Budget Committee released findings this week showing that the government spent roughly $1.03 trillion on welfare programs last year, funding 83 separate efforts to provide assistance to Americans. Days earlier, a separate study out of Capitol Hill revealed that the number of people enrolled to receive federal assistance by way of food stamps has hit a new record high with roughly 47 million US residents (15% of US's population.).

"These astounding figures demonstrate that the United States spends more on federal welfare than any other program in the federal budget," Alabama Sen. Jeff Session writes in a letter provided to The Daily Caller this week. "It is time to restore — not retreat from — the moral principles of the 1996 welfare reform. Such reforms, combined with measures to promote growth, will help both the recipient and the Treasury."

"No longer should we measure compassion by how much money the government spends, but by how many people we help to rise out of poverty," Sessions adds. "Welfare assistance should be seen as temporary whenever possible, and the goal must be to help more of our fellow citizens attain gainful employment and financial independence. This is about more than rescuing our finances. It's about creating a more optimistic future for millions of struggling Americans."

The real jobs numbers: 41% of America unemployed, 1 in 3 doesn't want work at all — RT

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Could mods merge with Official Troll Thread?

 

[hello_10]

U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people | Reuters

United States incarceration rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why Americans think it is right to own guns?

After mass shootings killed 12 moviegoers in Aurora, Colorado, and six Sikh worshippers in Wisconsin this summer, it may seem a little bizarre that many Americans insist people have the right — an inalienable right — to buy a gun that can spit 60 bullets per second.

Yet it is such a deep part of the culture that no event, not these murders or the more ordinary 11,500 other firearm-related homicides that take place every year in the US, not to mention that 17,500 gun-related suicides, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, can dislodge the notion that the ownership of more than 300 million guns makes us safer.

The belief in guns is so strong that solution to gun-related murders is often imagined to be more guns. For example, even after a horrific campus shooting at Virginia Tech in 2007 that resulted in 32 deaths, some politicians pointed to the university's campus-wide gun ban as a contributing factor, on the theory that the problem wasn't that the unbalanced student came to school with two semi-automatic weapons but that students and faculty weren't themselves armed. Nor were they alone: a national student group of over 15,000 members formed asking to overturn laws restricting the use of concealed weapons on campus.

The Right Stuff

The legal foundation of this madness is the Second Amendment to the Constitution, which reads "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

That might not sound like a blanket right to bear arms, and it wasn't intended as such. Fearful of European-style standing armies, the authors of the amendment believed that citizen militias were the only way to prevent tyranny, according to historian Saul Cornell, writing in his 2006 book A Well-Regulated Militia: The Founding Fathers and the Origins of Gun Control in America. Cornell concluded in his study that they saw the amendment as more of a guarantee of a civic obligation than a personal right.

In fact, it's so hard to read as a personal right that it wasn't until 2010 that the Supreme Court successfully overcame the text and with no equivocation ruled that the second amendment meant people had a personal right to keep and bear arms, unconnected to military service.

The truth is that the right to gun ownership is much more securely fixed in our hearts than in our laws — and in recent years, a triumph of the well-organised and well-funded pro-gun lobby. In 1959, when Gallup first asked the question, 60% of people favoured a general handgun ban. Asked recently, it's fallen to 26% — a record low. True, more people support a ban on semiautomatic weapons — 53% — but gun ownership remains high: 47% say they have a gun in their house.

How did this happen? There is a residual love of guns that is a legacy of pioneer days and among rural people, a reflection of an attachment to hunting. Certainly, some people do hunt — a few kids I grew up with out in Oregon hunted. My best friend in junior high would always gnaw on homemade venison for his lunch — salty gray-green stuff that had the consistency of rope.

Every year, a hunters' club offered a hunter's safety course in the evening, after school, which were lectures you needed to pass to get your hunting licence — but the course always sounded a bit boring, like becoming a Boy Scout, and hunting itself was more a hobby some families had, like going to church, not a subject everyone thought about or talked about.

But hunting is not really what's behind the still-growing love of guns. President Obama, as candidate Obama in 2008, in a rare moment of accidental candour once described the residents of dying industrial towns in the Midwest as bitter people who "cling to guns or religion". Although he later recanted, he was right to a certain extent. At the same time, he also missed the point: in the US, guns have become a kind of religion in themselves. 'Power'

In May, 24-year-old James Holmes, a failing University of Colorado student, started buying guns. He bought four guns at Denver-area gun shops, including a 12-gauge Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 semi-automatic rifle, and a Glock 22 handgun.

Around the same time, Holmes also began ordering bullets and body armour online — reportedly over 50 packages, according to newspaper accounts. On July 20, he bought a ticket for the midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises Again, the latest Batman saga. Then about 20 minutes into the movie, went out to his car, girded himself up with his arsenal, came back and started shooting.

Clint Eastwood once said he made his violent movies to give people hope, imagining a young guy who has a job, maybe cleaning swimming pools, and has no sense of hope for the future.

Why Americans think it is right to own guns? - Economic Times

USA has now become the country, which understand language of gun - bullet only. no wonder why US wants to establish peace in world by different wars, the only language they understand....

look on the guns in between 0.40 min to 0.10 min, at the end of this video as below, most of these look better than AK-47, and civilians buy them to protects themselves on the streets

As gun sales rise, gun-related deaths are down statewide

Video => [video]http://www.kget.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=3884120[/video]

Some new ammunition is out for gun rights advocates. New statistics show gun sales are up in California in the last decade while gun related injuries are down, statewide. But in Kern County it's a different story.

Kern County gun sales are up but so is its firearm related injuries and deaths but not by much and officials say there may be other contributing factors.

According to the California Department of Justice, in 2002 350,000 guns were sold in California. In 2011 600,000 were sold.

"It's been a continual rise since I started," said Keith Foster, General Manager at Second Amendment Sports in Bakersfield. He's worked at Second Amendment for more than a decade.

In that same time period, according to the California Department of Public Health, gun related injuries statewide were down from 4,000 to 2,800. Gun deaths dropped from 3,200 to 2,800.

"I think that sounds about right. Criminals don't like to get shot at. They go after easy prey," said Foster.

But here in Kern County, gun sales are up but so are firearm deaths and injuries but only slightly. Officials said that difference could be due to the start of prison realignment and demographics.

But local activist Whitney Weddell says the discrepancy is the reason why you can't depend on statistics alone.

"The truth is they don't really show us anything," said Weddell. "What we do know is that there have been a rash of gun related atrocities lately and it does seem like something ought to be done about that."

"I always have believed that an armed citizen is a well-protected citizen," said Steve Smith of Bakersfield.

Smith hopes California's statistics end the recent talks of stricter gun laws.

"I've always believed that anytime you have someone that's armed they're better able to protect themselves so it's going to drive crime down," said Smith.

"Do I think everybody needs machine guns? No. Nobody needs machine guns. They're meant for one thing killing people," said Shaun Neal of Lake Isabella.

But Shaun Neal does think people have the right to own a gun.

"It's not the weapons," said Neal.

He said it's the people that kill and the numbers prove it.

"An armed society is a polite society, right?" said Foster.

As gun sales rise, gun-related deaths are down statewide, up in Kern County | KGET TV 17

 

[Damian]

Seriously, you are mentally ill.

Is here a doctor who can help with obsession?

 

[Damian]

USA has now become the country, which understand language of gun - bullet only. no wonder why US wants to establish peace in world by different wars, the only language they understand....

USA participating in different wars, in the end at least try to rebuild these countries. And how many people were killed by your beloved Soviet Union? How many different nations among them also Russians suffered because of this opressive state governed by criminals and deviants?

Not to mention that Soviet Union was example for other "brilliants" leaders like Hitler, Pol Pot or Mao Tse Tung that also ordered mass murdering of inoccent people.

But it seems that for poorly educated person like you, even history of your beloved state is not known... or you ignore it for ideological purpose.

 

[Damian]

Double Post.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Seriously, you are mentally ill.

Is here a doctor who can help with obsession?

We don't have doctors here. We have mods. Maybe they can help ease hello_10's obsession.

 

[hello_10]

We don't have doctors here. We have mods. Maybe they can help ease hello_10's obsession.

sir, we are discussing the topic of this thread and I try to bring the related information to this topic on time to time. and here we find most of the US's members are seriously ill on their national identity and just can't discuss any of the news I post here....

why we can't see even a single response from the other members on the news I bring on this topic, other than straight Troll attacks? why can't western nationals discuss the news they read here, which have credible links and related to happenings in US right now, like growth in arms/ recent attacks scoring around 28 including 20 kids, which is also related to this topic? can we expect any serious response from western members on these issues, other than trolling in this thread? :shocked:

 

[hello_10]

USA participating in different wars, in the end at least try to rebuild these countries. And how many people were killed by your beloved Soviet Union? How many different nations among them also Russians suffered because of this opressive state governed by criminals and deviants?

Not to mention that Soviet Union was example for other "brilliants" leaders like Hitler, Pol Pot or Mao Tse Tung that also ordered mass murdering of inoccent people.

But it seems that for poorly educated person like you , even history of your beloved state is not known ... or you ignore it for ideological purpose .

is this the topic of this thread? this is what you want to do in this thread?????

here, could you please ask even a single question on the news I have brought in this thread, other than demonstrating your intelligence without reading either history or current affairs?

 

[Damian]

is this the topic of this thread? this is what you want to do in this thread?????

No, I just wish that a complete moron like you shut up, because I am tired of seeing idiots of your type, writing on every single forum, such bollocks.

here, could you please ask even a single question on the news I have brought in this thread, other than demonstrating your intelligence without reading either history or current affairs?

You know what, if we would talk in person, I would just hit you in your face, because it is immposible to talk with idiots like you about any possible subject, period.

Besides this, why should I ask you about things, you do not have even slightest idea. Why should I even talk with person, who is completely brainwashed? You think that after what I seen in your posts, your reactions, your emotional use of emoticons, I treat you as a human being? You are even less worth to me than animal. You present intelligence level that is below level of any sentient spiecies.

So maybe shut up, go home, find a girlfriend, sleep with her, and have some life?

sir, we are discussing the topic of this thread and I try to bring the related information to this topic on time to time. and here we find most of the US's members are seriously ill on their national identity and just can't discuss any of the news I post here....

why we can't see even a single response from the other members on the news I bring on this topic, other than straight Troll attacks? why can't western nationals discuss the news they read here, which have credible links and related to happenings in US right now, like growth in arms/ recent attacks scoring around 28 including 20 kids, which is also related to this topic? can we expect any serious response from western members on these issues, other than trolling in this thread?

Oh wait, let's think here, perhaps because discussion with a mentally ill person, who thinks he live in Soviet Union that is non existing for the past 21 years, is completely immposible?

But yeah, I known that a person like you, who have IQ level below level of a lobster's IQ can't understand this... sigh... and my friends sometimes wonder why, sometimes I am very angry and want to kill people like you... well at least your death would be beneficial to humanity, one idiot less.

 

[hello_10]

video:- [video]http://www.kget.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=3884120[/video]

In that same time period, according to the California Department of Public Health, gun related injuries statewide were down from 4,000 to 2,800. Gun deaths dropped from 3,200 to 2,800.

"I think that sounds about right. Criminals don't like to get shot at. They go after easy prey," said Foster.

As gun sales rise, gun-related deaths are down statewide, up in Kern County | KGET TV 17

we discussed this above news and compared USA with the backward countries of mid ages before 15th century, (mainly Middle East and Europe), where death penalty was quite obvious in case of even stealing, which could establish peace there during that time. and again we see the similar things in US, where crime rates are going down due to increase sale of arms, (under threat of death penalty this way), as per in this news.

and how soon US will back to the level when different Neo-NAZI groups will start taking over each others, similar to middle age of EU+Middle East too, its the topic of this thread :thumb:

in the light of the fact that US can't really put its all the unemployed people in jails to have peace on long run

United States incarceration rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The real jobs numbers: 41% of America unemployed, 1 in 3 doesn't want work at all — RT

 

[Damian]

we discussed this above news and compared USA with the backward countries of mid ages before 15th century, (mainly Middle East and Europe), where death penalty was quite obvious in case of even stealing, which could establish peace there during that time.

Despite what most obvious morons (like you) think about 15th century, in reality many nations and countries back then, were more civilized than Soviet Union was through it's whole existence.

Several examples, peasants, today the most wide spread believe is that they were treated like animals. In reality they were free people, that were investition for the nobles. So instead of popularly spread misbelieve that they were beaten, they were starving, in reality not only peasants could change their lord to the better one and move from one village to another, but also nobles were providing them with food and goods if nececary. Peasant also had very low taxes, to pay a tax for king, their lord and church, they needed to work only approx 40 days in the year, now compare this to how much you need to work to pay your taxes.

As for crimes punishment, death penalty is a good punishment, I do not imagine why I should pay taxes to keep alive and feed criminals who are notorious? We should keep alive pedophiles? I would not mind to kill them in a way, that would give a lot of thinking other who want to harm children. IMHO very good punishment would be hanging, drawn and quartering them, same for notorious murderes.

In reality people back then were far more civilized than these days.

and again we see the similar things in US, where crime rates are going down due to increase sale of arms, (under threat of death penalty this way), as per in this news.

As for the right to have own firearm, I support this law, it is a good law to have capability to defend yourself. Let's say a man armed with a knife get's inside your house and want to kill you and your family, don't even say you will fight him hand to hand, I heard what people that are masters in their hand to hand combat said about this, even for them it is suicide, and the Police can't get in to the place in several seconds, so you need to have a right and tool to defend yourself, your family, your home.

and how soon US will back to the level when different Neo-NAZI groups will start taking over each others, similar to middle age of EU+Middle East too, its the topic of this thread

What Neo Nazi groups? How many of them there are? Besides this I didn't seen a Neo Nazis in USA killing innocent people, in the same time I seen a Neo Nazis in Russia killing innocent people, there were even movies showing their "victory" over non ethnic Russians.

There are or were even Neo Nazis in Russian Duma (Parliment), you seen any Neo Nazi in US Congress? I didn't, and I am sure that if should thing happen there, both GOP supporting media and DP supporting media would go crazy over such scandal.

Besides this, if Neo Nazis would go rampant over the country, I am sure congress would quickly act by if nececary sending there National Guard units, State Defence Forces or even if absolutely nececary also US Army, and knowing what support have troops in US society, I am sure that civilians living in every settlement, being threaten by Neo Nazi groups (well you can be killed by them by just refusing to kill a someone of different ethnicity being your neighbour or friend even) would support troops and goverment.

So it seems that your wet fantasy will be in future only wet fantasy, not reality.

in the light of the fact that US can't really put its all the unemployed people in jails to have peace on long run

Oh yeah, because only due to unemployment everyone will want to murder everyone! SCARY!

Seriously, you are really that stupid or someone pay you for this nonsence?

Oh and BTW, using RT as a source? Seriously? RT? You are really that stupid.

 

[Damian]

And here are some "lovely" fellows in your beloved former soviet union's main republic, Russia. I didn't seen such actions in USA. So as I understand hello_10 you are attacking USA to just feel better, that there is perhaps other land where similiar things happen?