Revived: plan to give access to bases to US

[blueblood]

Interesting development; how's China going to react?
With a mega naval base in Gwadar?

Sounds like an excellent idea. A PLAN mega base next to US base in Qatar.

 

[Zebra]

But we don't access to Diego Garcia. We can reach an agreement with Madagascar or Maldives if we do need some kind of berthing rights. It would be a much easier solution.

We already have a Naval listening station in Madagascar.

India activates first listening post on foreign soil: radars in Madagascar - Indian Express

If India become one of the US allied force, then India can access to "NSF Diego Garcia".

NSF= naval support facility

 

[blueblood]

If India become one of the US allied force, then India can access to "NSF Diego Garcia".

NSF= naval support facility

Dude, If India become one of the US allied force, then India can also become the next Pakistan.

 

[sorcerer]

leaving the benefits of this agreement but this will surely hurt India's status as a Non-aligned nation. The world will see us as an US ally not partner.

Its not always how we see it!

With Russia and US being close rivals... We can see Russia selling its uranium to USA.

The Megatons to Megawatts Program, successfully completed in December 2013, is the popular name given to the program which is also called the United States-Russia Highly Enriched Uranium Purchase Agreement. The official name of the program is the "Agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of the United States of America Concerning the Disposition of Highly-Enriched Uranium Extracted from Nuclear Weapons", dated February 18, 1993.[1] Under this Agreement Russia agreed to supply the United States with low-enriched uranium (LEU), obtained from high- enriched uranium (HEU) found to be in excess of Russian defense purposes. The United States agreed to purchase the low enriched uranium fuel.

The Megatons to Megawatts program was initiated in 1993 and successfully completed in December 2013. A total of 500 tonnes of Russian warhead grade HEU (high enriched uranium, equivalent to 20,008 nuclear warheads) were converted in Russia to nearly 15,000 tonnes tons of LEU (low enriched uranium) and sold to the US for use as fuel in American nuclear power plants. During the 20-year Megatons to Megawatts program, as much as 10 percent of the electricity produced in the United States was generated by fuel fabricated using LEU from Russian HEU
Megatons to Megawatts Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even recently with the ongoing Ukranian crisis Russia and USA has signed deal on its uranium fuel.

The politics of it is in the traties signed. How intimate the treaty is which will define the part of an Ally or Support.
What India has to look at is.. how much India can gain technically and diplomatically from such warming up!

Interesting development; how's China going to react?
With a mega naval base in Gwadar?

Which will eventually go to US Navy anyway!!!

 

[Neo]

Sounds like an excellent idea. A PLAN mega base next to US base in Qatar.

The height of irony is that this board, DFI, has always oppsed the idea of Chinese base in Gwadar. But it's ok for India to host the Americans.

 

[sob]

leaving the benefits of this agreement but this will surely hurt India's status as a Non-aligned nation. The world will see us as an US ally not partner.

When was India really Non Aligned. We fully backed Russian adventure in Afghanistan. In every international fora we were anti American.

There is only one interest that is our National Interest- damn to what others might think

 

[sob]

The height of irony is that this board, DFI, has always oppsed the idea of Chinese base in Gwadar. But it's ok for India to host the Americans.

Our National Interest, just like you hosted Osama

 

[Zebra]

Dude, If India become one of the US allied force, then India can also become the next Pakistan.

Can't you get any other example while you campare India with others?

Out of all other US allies, you carefully select only Pakistan.

 

[mans.randhawa]

Dude, If India become one of the US allied force, then India can also become the next Pakistan.

Has turkey , australia , canada ,Uk etc become like [MOD Edit: Expletive removed.]?

 

[hit&run]

there is lot of merit in this case. Benefits are also apparent.

We need to have an open debate on this, my personal opinion would be to go for it. We shall benefit from the transfer of technology and also gain economically by hosting the US Naval ships in our ports.

I don't think Indian media is capable enough to handle open discussion on this.

The only thing that should worry intelligent Indians and real think tanks is how much Nehruvian viruses are still left in their thinking.

Trouble with India's strategic thinking for last 20 years was that we were pretending to be non-align but looking everywhere for assistance and support on different Geo-political and strategic issues and issues related to our security. Many of us saw it as clever tactical manoeuvrings of remaining independent and pick whatever suited us at our convenience.

In a nutshell we were going nowhere because people (nations) were able to see this through thus remained disinclined friends. To support this argument further the evidence is that our threat perception has increased manifold with more frontiers have become active and it not something which is artificial or due to larger conspiracy of nation in focus, but something our strategic and security experts predicted ages ago by highlighting our intrinsic inefficiencies.

To expand it further, with such sacrosanct approach, what was happening back home was the non-align approach of political leadership backed by cocktail of Marxist and Nehruvian morns, the political leadership had good excuse and did nothing. We were so Nehruvian inside-out that we remained sadistic for even developing world class MIC.

The fallacy of fears that we were served about USA was like accusing a medicine of side effect when we haven't yet ingested it.

With a strong leadership who is not compromised like previous government and yet not disillusioned or functionally ambiguous for no good reasons about friendships; which ironically we have earned by buying weapons; I see no harm in being bold and confident of handling such military alliances.

If someone still wants to exaggerate this news with adjectives like sitting in the laps of USA etc., then let's treat it like Nehru's moment of becoming friend with USSR and now Modi's moment of becoming friend with USA. If there was dire need of such alliance, in the background of Cold war, with Russia then today things are far more conducive in a multi-polar world, not to mention Russia is sole provider of advance military technology to China.

I remember congress-I leader Manish Tiwari on a NDTV circus criticizing AVB for testing Nuclear weapons as being an ambiguous nuclear weapon state, Pakistan would have not challenge the nuclear parity like they did after following the suit, testing their own weapons. He was representing the school of thought of Sonia Gandhi lead congress-I. The fool didn't know that test was mandatory to validate our new warhead designs we require to advance our long range ballistic missile program and yield. Also we were not ambiguous nuclear state as we had already tested our nuke ages ago.

My problem was not his understanding of the subject but his defensive and do-nothing approach. The same approach has inflicted our psychology into a nation who underestimates itself.

The contrast was visible; the same party who took a decision of conducting nuclear tests and gave this nation a working nuclear doctrine not 'In-absentia' nuclear philosophy, is now in power again and one must put some weight behind their decision making.

In Punjabi we say ''je unthan naal yaari lani aa tan darwaje uchey chukne pain ge''. If your want to be friend with camels then have your Home doors wide and tall open.

On the side note : Anyone giving examples of Pakistan's miseries being friend with USA; is a nitpicker at best and very bad reader of contexts which pushed USA to go against Pakistan; if it is the case. India is not Pakistan.

 

[blueblood]

Can't you get any other example while you campare India with others?

Out of all other US allies, you carefully select only Pakistan.

How about Shah's Iran, Hussein's Iraq or Mujaheedin's Afghanistan.

 

[Zebra]

How about Shah's Iran, Hussein's Iraq or Mujaheedin's Afghanistan.

I don't mind if your brain permits you to compare India with them.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I asked this question years ago.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-india-lease-naval-base-usa-indian-ocean.html

 

[blueblood]

I don't mind if your brain permits you to compare India with them.

No it doesn't but my brain also understands that it's dog eat dog world. People who are advocating this are betting a lot on India's capability of one upping US. That somehow we will be the one taking advantage of the situation not the US.

 

[sob]

@hit&run,

Excellent stuff. This just echoes my personal views 100%.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

It is obvious USA will do everything to keep china out of the Indian Ocean.
India shoud give 100 percent cooperation. This should also be a warning to
Pakistan and their Gwadar port dreams. Get close to china and you are in trouble.

 

[sob]

I asked this question years ago.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-india-lease-naval-base-usa-indian-ocean.html

LF we do not want to lease a base to the US. With Diego Gracia and now a base in Oman(?) US also does not need Indian base. However it does need a friendly Navy in the region to protect it's supply lines from the Malacca St. to the Horn of Africa.

 

[sorcerer]

Sounds like an excellent idea. A PLAN mega base next to US base in Qatar.

Dude, If India become one of the US allied force, then India can also become the next Pakistan.

India has come a loooooooooooong way by seeing how US treated Pakistan. India knows her diplomatic dance and her Kung-fu is strong in that.

1) Ya know how Khobragade case escalated to levels un seen when US took it for granted
2) The WTO -TA bill was couped by India despite US pressure
3) Circumvented the Nuke deal

Well!! thats the dance I am talking about.

India has to take what the current political , geo strategic scenario offer, gracefully, still keep and have all her foreign relations intact.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

LF we do not want to lease a base to the US. With Diego Gracia and now a base in Oman(?) US also does not need Indian base. However it does need a friendly Navy in the region to protect it's supply lines from the Malacca St. to the Horn of Africa.

This is same thing different avenue. But this also gives india a big advantage.
It is mutually advantageous to both.

 

[sob]

It is obvious USA will do everything to keep china out of the Indian Ocean.
India shoud give 100 percent cooperation. This should also be a warning to
Pakistan and their Gwadar port dreams. Get close to china and you are in trouble.

Precisely.

We also have a precedence when the Phillipines Gvt asked the US Navy to vacate Subic Bay. It is not that once the Americans get a base they will become lord and masters of our country.

After all we are not a banana case like Pakistan.