Report on 'Army Movement' trashed, no breach of protocol

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@Bhadra what you said is true the differences between babu's and army chaps can be best seen in Gentleman clubs.If an army chap is the club president or secretary the club gets improved the food gets improved and the toilets get upgraded and also the staff get attentive.Where as a Babu is the president the club starts getting rotten and the bugger is more intrested in blackballing individuals rather than improving conditions
 

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Are you talking about the Delhi Gymkhana?
 

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Babus turn every khana into Gymkhana and still better Mai-khana in which the meaning of Mai is not its Urdu meaning but Mai and only Mai (I and only I). Only me eat ?
 

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Is the Nizam Club the same as Secunderabad Club?

Secunderabad Club is a total joke.

Money but no class!

Secundrabad Club is not an army club, just for your info.

The civilians have taken it over long ago!

It is a hell hole for the rich Kammas and the Reddys. Village folks but big money! They come with slippers on!

One would rather have the classy Nizam relatives to these country bumpkins with money!

They even tried to steal the Army Golf Club with their political connections and were given one swift kick.

How do I know?

I did it!
 
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@Brigadier It is a good as far as Iam concerned again Jubilee Hills Club is very good .Waltair club in Vizag is also very good
 

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What did Zardari n MMS talk in private? Escape plans.Zardari being more experienced!
 

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What did Zardari n MMS talk in private? Escape plans.Zardari being more experienced!
Obviously. Both are planning along with MMS' Italian owners to run away from the country when the revolt takes place. I may sound emotional but looking at the current trend, I won't be surprised that one day all Indians united and protested Egypt style to remove this government regime and replace it with a really democratic one or even non-democratic one (my preference) depending on what is to be expected.

At that time, these democratic dictators and 552 gundas have to run somewhere to seek political asylum.. so naturally both are robbing both the countries before running away to the West.

After all Zardari is rumored to have American passport while our de facto ruler is an italian herself.

How hard is it to guess their intentions? :cool2:
 

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Specific details are coming out

Emerging facts

From background briefings provided to individual members on the Standing Committee, some new facts have begun to emerge on the events of January 15-16.

Late on the evening of January 15, the MPs were told, a senior officer serving at the Chandimandir-based Western Command notified the government of troop movements around New Delhi. The Western Command —responsible for the security along the India-Pakistan border from Abohar-Fazilka to Jammu — had learned of the troop movements from the Jaipur-based South-western Command, which controls 50 Para and the Hisar-based formation.

"The officer," said a senior intelligence official who corroborated this account while speaking to The Hindu, "said he was merely flagging the development for the government's attention. He did not attribute motives."

For days before this notification, however, both the Intelligence Bureau and senior politicians had worried that the fraught atmosphere created by General Singh's confrontation might lead to indiscipline.

Intelligence Bureau Director Nehchal Sandhu was, therefore, charged with investigating the officer's claims. He sought counsel, among others, from Jammu and Kashmir Governor N.N. Vohra, and India's most experienced defence bureaucrats, early on the morning of January 16. Key military commanders were also contacted.

Intelligence Bureau officials, however, denied claims that there was panic. "If someone called up the police and said there was a suicide-bomber standing outside the Prime Minister's house," one officer said, "we'd have to take it seriously, even if the chances were slim. You can hardly expect us to have been laid back about a possible crime against the Constitution."

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, the Standing Committee was told, was only informed of the night's events at a routine morning meeting with National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon. Government sources insisted that this was not because the troop movement was seen as a threat, but to prepare him for any question he might face in Parliament.

Mr. Sharma himself returned to New Delhi on the afternoon of January 16 from a business visit to Malaysia. MPs have been told that he rescheduled his journey on January 15 after learning that General Singh was preparing to move the Supreme Court. He spent much of the day discussing legal issues connected to the case, before meeting the Director-General of Military Operations, Lieutenant-General Ashok Chaudhury, late that night.

The Defence Secretary, the MPs were told, asked General Chaudhury to have the troops moved out once their exercises were complete. However, two senior officials The Hindu spoke to said the exercises were immediately terminated and the troops were ordered out of their positions.
The Hindu : News / National : Defence Secretary says claim of troop threat unfounded
 

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Team Anna sees conspiracy against 'honest' Antony, army chief :creepy:

Demanding an impartial inquiry into the controversy surrounding army, Team Anna on Tuesday alleged that the probe by CBI and Intelligence Bureau will not bring out the truth as the bodies are "under the control of government".

In a letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Anna Hazare and his key associates wondered whether the recent report in a newspaper about "unusual movement" of two units of army troops was aimed at removing Defence Minister AK Antony and Army chief Gen VK Singh.

"Does the recent developments in the past few months show that there is a conspiracy against the honest army general and honest defence minister?" the letter signed by Hazare, Shanti Bhushan, Arvind Kejriwal, Prashant Bhushan and Kiran Bedi.


Alleging that the probe by CBI into cases of corruption flagged by Gen Singh and IB into the leakage of army chief's letter to Prime Minister will not bring out the truth, the letter said these agencies were not independent and were under the control of political masters.

"If the accused, brokers and corrupt have control over investigating agencies, they will not be able to bring truth to light...and people of the country are unhappy at the measures taken by your government in this regard," it said.

The letter also alleged that it was reported by a media house that a central minister was behind the news report published by the newspaper.

Linking their fight for a strong Lokpal to the issue, they said that if there was a strong Lokpal, this issue could have been investigated by it.

They also took exception to the exclusion of armed forces from the purview of Lokpal when the bill was discussed in Lok Sabha on December 27 last year.

Team Anna sees conspiracy against 'honest' Antony, army chief - India - DNA
 

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Army troop movement: Press Council to challenge HC order, says chief Katju

Terming as "not correct" the Allahabad High Court order which prohibited all media reports related to the troop movement, Press Council of India (PCI) chairman Justice Markandey Katju today said the Council would soon challenge it in the Supreme Court.
"The Press Council of India will be challenging the order of the Allahabad High Court in the Supreme Court of India very shortly," the PCI chief, who is a former Supreme Court judge, said in a statement.

Katju said "with great respect to the High Court, I am of the opinion that the order of the High Court is not correct".

He said the Indian Army was not a colonial Army, but the Army of the Indian people who pay taxes for the entire defence budget. Hence, the people of India have a right to know about Army affairs, except when they compromise national security.

Katju noted the media has done an excellent job in exposing the Adarsh and Sukna scams in which senior Army officers were involved and they were well within their fundamental right of freedom of the media under Article 19(1)(A) of the Constitution to do so.

The court had directed Secretaries in the Home Affairs and I & B ministries along with Principal Secretary (Home) of the UP government to ensure there is no reporting or release of any news item related to movement of troops.

He said reporting troop movement near the Indian border or during war time should be prohibited as that may aid the enemy and cause harm to the armed forces by compromising national security. "However, in my opinion there can be no general prohibition on reporting of all troop movements," he said.

Katju referred to the reporting of alleged troop movement by 'The Indian Express' in its report published on April 4.

"I am of the opinion that without going into the question whether the news reporting was factually correct or not, there could not have been a valid prohibition of such reporting, because the troop movement was not at the Indian border or during war time," he said.

The allegation in 'The Indian Express' report was that there was some convention written or unwritten, that troop movements towards Delhi should not take place without notifying and getting consent of the government which was not done, he said.

"The further allegation was that this caused panic among the civil authorities, and the troop movement was abruptly stopped," he added.

The PCI chief said 'The Indian Express' is not a fly-by-night newspaper, but a responsible one.

"They (Express) took 11 weeks to complete the investigation of the reported troop investigation before deciding to publish the report. Hence, I do not see how they can be faulted," he further added.

Army troop movement: Press Council to challenge HC order, says chief Katju - Indian Express
 

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Poor Katju.

He seems to miss all the aura and attention he had as a Justice.

I agree it is very difficult to readjust to a normal civilian retired life for some who have held high office with fawning courtiers to massage the ego!

So, any manner to get it back will do!

Troop movements happens all the time.

Troops have to go out of their unit for even long range firing or field firing. And they move in a huge convoy with 40 odd vehicles. Brigades and even Division moves out for the Annual Training. This is routine. So, this should also be covered by the media.

Major exercise are well known and as it is it is reported.

On forums, there are even photos and videos!

There is no convention to report movement of troops, the Indian Express may say what it wants.

The only exercises that are reported are the ones that are to be carried out near the borders, so that Pakistan is informed of the same and they don't panic. They do the same. It is as per an understanding Govt to Govt. It is this 'convention' the IE has done a journalistic sensational twist.
 
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Allahabad HC order barely makes any sense to me.

It asks to prohibit any reporting or publishing on issue of Army Troop Movement.

Well then what are we doing here right now ?
 
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@Brigadier It is a good as far as Iam concerned again Jubilee Hills Club is very good .Waltair club in Vizag is also very good
It would be good for you to check the Membership Rules and then come back.

I have done three tenures out their.

The Div Cdr and the Sub Area Cdr are what is known as 'Service Members'.

Noticed that their names feature the last?
 

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Indian Express confirms army 'coup fear' story

Almost two years after the Indian Express reported about the non-notified movement of two units of the Indian Army towards Delhi in January 2012, a former top army official confirmed to it that the highest levels of the UPA government were indeed alarmed over it and he was asked to explain the situation.

The Indian Express had reported on April 4, 2012 that on January 16 (the day the then army chief General VK Singh approached the Supreme Court on his date of birth issue), central intelligence agencies reported an unexpected and non-notified movement by a mechanised infantry unit from Hisar and a paratroopers detachment from Agra in the direction of the capital.

The report had created a flutter within the government, opposition and across the nation with most of them dismissing the report and claiming it baseless.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had dubbed the Express report as alarmist and said it should not be taken at face value while defence minister said he did not doubt the patriotism of the armed forces and that the reported movement of two army units was "nothing unusual".

Lieutenant General AK Choudhary, who was the then director general of military operations, told the paper that he was called in by then defence secretary Shashi Kant Sharma to explain the movement, asked to immediately send the troops back and file a report to the government.

Choudhary told the Express said that the confusion was created due to increasing distrust "between two individuals" and "immaturity" on both sides adding that the entire situation could have been avoided if there was proper communication.

"I think the (defence) ministry and the IB (Intelligence Bureau) got excited and made their impression on the basis of the last five to six months when things had gone to a level where there had been distrust among people - two individuals. There was immaturity on both sides. Immaturity on the part of the commanders I don't know, if he knew about the dates (court) or had he had thought on these lines, he could have stopped it. But I don't think he thought on those lines," Choudhary told the Express.

According to Choudhary the army submitted a written report detailing the troop movements on January 17 explaining that they were moving as part of a planned exercise.

He said after the incident, instructions were given that the government had to be informed about all army movements near the national capital in the future.

Indian Express confirms army 'coup fear' story - Hindustan Times
 
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Indian Express confirms army 'coup fear' story
Almost two years after the Indian Express reported about the non-notified movement of two units of the Indian Army towards Delhi in January 2012, a former top army official confirmed to it that the highest levels of the UPA government were indeed alarmed over it and he was asked to explain the situation.



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The Indian Express had reported on April 4, 2012 that on January 16 (the day the then army chief General VK Singh approached the Supreme Court on his date of birth issue), central intelligence agencies reported an unexpected and non-notified movement by a mechanised infantry unit from Hisar and a paratroopers detachment from Agra in the direction of the capital.

The report had created a flutter within the government, opposition and across the nation with most of them dismissing the report and claiming it baseless.

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Indian Express confirms army 'coup fear' story - Hindustan Times
 

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