Rediff: China's high speed bullet train network exceeds 10,000 km

[bennedose]

But RayC, you must ignore all this. They have fast trains in China, so everything else is can be ignored

 

[Ray]

Chinese Hygiene

 

[Ray]

There's a problem in China. Some people take a dump or whizz in public. It's apparently acceptable when you're a small child or in the poor rural areas. However China has seen huge social changes in the last two decades, yesterday's poor rural farmer is today's modest city dweller - and old habits die hard.


Bringing a whole new meaning to recycling.

In a train ? No problem...

One time, I was at a checkout counter in a Chinese supermarket, and this toddler took a dump in the shopping cart that he was sitting in, right on top of all the groceries and everything. The parents didn't even bat an eye; they just wiped off the poop-covered soup cans (or whatever those cans were) with some tissue paper and proceeded to pay for them.
China's problem with public defecation - Social Anxiety Forum

Even Dirtier - Chinese Toilet Habits



Apart from the germs spread by spitting and blowing your nose everywhere, there are other things you have to contend with in China. Perhaps the vilest of these are the toilet habits of the Chinese, so vile so that they deserve a chapter to themselves.

Some may argue that these are cultural differences. But I beg to differ. There are cultural differences that can and should be tolerated, and there are just plain nasty habits that hark back to an era of primitiveness when we still walked on all fours. China has squat toilets and Western style toilets. The squat toilets are traditional and are a cultural difference. But the toilet habits of many Chinese are not. They are extraordinarily dirty. Sometimes, I think even a dog has cleaner potty habits than many of them.

A toilet in Chinese countryside is usually a harrowing experience and one you will unfortunately remember for the rest of your life (unless you're Chinese). First, the smell: you can usually smell a Chinese toilet from far off. When you enter, you may run back out. What greets you are a row of rectangular holes in the ground and all around them are strewn lumps of stale feces and used toilet paper. There are no doors on the stalls, sometimes, even no partitions between the holes. But those are just the very sometimes when you've eaten some of China's finest prepared laxatives, prepared in a dirty restaurant by dirty people. So you quickly glance around, then run back in, clutching your aching stomach in agony. You very gingerly step towards the toilet, taking utmost care not to step on any stale shit or used toilet paper and do your business.

If you are lucky, you will use the toilet in privacy. But if you aren't, some Chinese person will enter, see you, a foreigner squatting and start giggling. If you're in a school, then you may very well die of embarrassment when the kids see you and not only giggle, but beckon their friends, loudly proclaiming, "Waiguo laoshi shang cesuo" – Foreign teacher using toilet, and the whole lot come running in and trying to see if your bottom is blue in colour.

Yet, I feel the behaviour of the kids is tame compared to the animals whose are so primitive they can't defecate into the toilet and throw toilet paper in the toilet or wastebasket provided for the purpose. You start asking yourself if they know what a toilet is to be used for in the first place. What is wrong with these people? Is this how they behave in their houses? Do they like to see stale shit on entering the toilet? Or do they get woozy from the stench and accidentally position their rear ends wrongly.

City people will claim these are dirty countryside habits but this is a blatant lie. For two years, I lived in a provincial capital in China's northeast. I worked in a modern high rise building on the eleventh floor in the most cosmopolitan area of the city. You could smell the toilets when you got off the elevator, despite the doors to the toilets being shut. The act of going to use the toilet was filled with apprehension, because 75% of the time, when you entered, the toilet was unflushed by the last occupant and full of reeking shit. Judging by the amount of shit, sometimes it was the last 2 or 3 occupants. On many occasions, I almost puked. And even in the squat pots, they spit on the floor, not in the pot. So when you go in and squat, you're staring at frothy spit in front of you.

Children learn bad toilet habits from young. They will literally stoop and pee or defecate on the street, despite there being a public toilet 10 metres away. The vast majority of Chinese children have never worn a diaper. Instead, they have a big slit that, when they stoop down, opens and allows them to pass whatever. Or if it's a baby, the mother will hold the baby up, and indecently open the baby's legs as wide as possible. Once I was on a train and there was a toddler who wanted to use the toilet. Rather than take the child to the toilet 5 metres away, the mother opened a bottle and had the child pee in that. Have some of these people no shame, no sense of what is decent and acceptable to civilized people? Really, what do these people think sometimes? Is there shit in their heads as well as in their lower parts?

The state of Chinese toilets is the one thing most repulsive to foreigners in China. And this is the thing I most cannot understand about China: the toilet habits of not all but so very many. I can understand the lack of privacy - Chinese people grow up with the community and family so they do everything together, including using the toilet. So to them it doesn't matter if there are no doors. But for the filthiness, there is just NO excuse. When I went hiking about the countryside in England, I came to a conclusion that humans are different from animals. Animals shit everywhere and don't care. Humans, on the other hand, have a sense of decency, self respect and an appreciation for hygiene.

Chinese people are human right, so why can't they realize that the sight and smell of shit that's weeks old is repulsive? That toilet paper thrown everywhere is unsightly and disgusting? Really, you don't have to have a brain to realize this. But like obeying traffic laws, littering and queuing, this is just another example of the Chinese state of mind where common sense and what is practical and beneficial to the society takes second place to uncivilized impulsiveness, selfishness and stupidity. And dirtiness.

What is this lady thinking???!!! There's a restroom less than 10 metres away. But TIC: This is China. Kids will stoop on the street and use the toilet and no-one bats an eye.

The boys' toilets in a Chinese school in downtown Changchun. In most countries, this school would be shut down for health and safety reasons, the stench being so pungent that your nose and eyes buwn and start to water within 15 seconds of entering. But in China, this is a good school. Poverty is not the reason - the school has enough money to revamp the toilet system 10 times over if it wanted. So what is the reason: stupidity and dirtiness. China may be advancing but attitudes remain deep in the gutter.

The real China. Most toilets, most days. What is so hard about flushing the toilet? Is this Chinese culture?

Rants About China - Even dirtier - Chinese toilet habits

 

[Ray]

Imagine this!

Child defecating in airplane causes outrage

Updated: 2013-02-18 21:21 By Li Yao ( chinadaily.com.cn)
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Recent online images showing a child defecating in the aisle of an airplane has prompted public criticism of the child's parents and the inaction of the flight crew and other passengers.

A netizen, self-identified as a female pilot, posted four photos on Saturday on micro blog platform Sina Weibo.

A child in a green coat was shown squatting in the aisle. Later a passenger wiped the child's bottom.

The post said a fellow passenger provided the photos. The child should be old enough to have some self respect, even if the parents had no regard for other passengers' reactions, the post said.

The child's behavior was further criticized after the pictures were published in news outlets. Many people responded with shock, saying the parents should have done a better job educating their child.

Some people questioned why passengers and flight crew, and the person shooting the four photos in particular, did not try to stop the child.

Incidents of bad manners in public places have become the source of much public discussion. In early 2012, there was an argument between mainland tourists and Hong Kong residents, after some visitors allowed their children to urinate or defecate in public places, such as subway trains in Hong Kong.

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The Chinese don't spare the roads, trains, subways and now even the airplanes!

And the temerity to talk about Indians!!!!!

I would not have gone OT, but the snide remarks conveniently overlooking that they are worse than any other human specie is what gets my goat.

No society is perfect, but the Chinese take the cake in all ways, and are the most slippery characters who can lie through their teeth and act as if they are cherubic angels!

@J!20, since you are a young man, or so you want all to believe, you tend to close your eyes because it suits your genetic make-up and psychology to keep feeling happy, so long as money is coming your way to satiate your unending love for money and materialistic goods, to overlook these horrors and pretend it does not exist!

You show greed in enlarging your borders as well as show greed in bringing in the bacon, by means fair or foul!

Below is a news reprot from China.

The Age of Greed

for all the gains of a closer relationship with the mainland, we are paying the price with a slide in moral decency

Every society has its share of greed, but it seems like ours is consumed by it.

As a developed city and financial centre, I can understand Hong Kong having the big-scale greed we see in Wall Street. But greed permeates our society. The extent of it came into sharp focus with two unrelated events over the past few weeks.

Petty greed drove travel agencies to fleece mainlanders who ended up sleeping in seedy guest houses and even a tourist bus. Greed on a mega scale drove property giant Cheung Kong to sell flats disguised as hotel rooms so buyers could avoid the government's market-cooling measures. It didn't bother Cheung Kong that by exploiting loopholes to line its pocket, it had undercut government efforts to stabilise the market.

It seems to me the more we integrate with the mainland, the more it exacerbates our greed. Aside from crooked travel agents, we now also have crooked taxi drivers who drive off with the belongings of mainland visitors, profiteering shopkeepers who hoard and raise the price of daily necessities, such as baby milk power, to feed the mainland's hunger for quality goods, infant formula suppliers who force retailers to buy bundled products, and the mega greed of landlords who double shop rents in prime locations catering to mainlanders.

Aren't big companies such as Cheung Kong, owned by Li Ka-shing, the world's ninth-richest man, supposed to have corporate social responsibility? Its exploiting of loopholes to sell 360 units of its Apex Horizon Hotel in Kwai Chung was anything but socially responsible. It fuelled a lunatic market that has already made homes unaffordable to most Hongkongers. Why would Cheung Kong, which is worth tens of billions of dollars, soil its name for a mere HK$1.4 billion more?

What are ordinary Hongkongers, aspiring homeowners and subdivided-flat dwellers to think when Cheung Kong gives the government the finger this way? My immediate reaction was that people would see it as further proof of the so-called property hegemony of our tycoons. Where are we heading as a society when supermarkets fake sales, greedy landlords drive families into subdivided flats and small-shop owners out of business, parallel goods traders disrupt daily life, and property developers feed the speculative frenzy by selling parking spaces for preposterous prices? It seems both honesty and moral decency have been sucked out of the city. Everyone is out to make a quick buck.

The price we're paying was written on the face of an elderly worker mopping the floor at closing time at an outlet of a local fast-food chain where I was having dinner recently. Looking miserable and tired, she could hardly bend down to pick up her bucket of water. She and others like her, who survive on a measly minimum wage of around HK$6,000 a month, are at the last link of our chain of greed. At the other end are the property developers, the greedy landlords, the business lobby, which ferociously oppose better wages, the profiteering supermarkets, and the fast-food chains, which make fat profits but pay the minimum wage.

http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1156407/age-greed

Here is some quotes to ponder over

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed" ~ Mahatma Gandhi

"Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest." ~ William Shakespeare

"He who is greedy is always in want." ~ Horace

"There is no calamity greater than lavish desires. There is no greater guilt than discontent. And there is no greater disaster than greed." ~ Lau Tzu

"When there is firm conquest over covetousness, they who have conquered it wake up to the how and why of life." ~ Yoga sutras

"The markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent." ~ John Maynard Keynes

"It is easier to exclude harmful passions than to rule them, and to deny them admittance than to control them after they have been admitted." ~ Seneca

"If a man is proud of his wealth, he should not be praised until it is known how he employs it." ~ Socrates

"It has been said that the love of money is the root of all evil. The want of money is so quite as truly." ~ Samuel Butler

"A wise man should have money in his head, but not in his heart." ~ Jonathan Swift

"Wall Street never changes, the pockets change, the suckers change, the stocks change, but Wall Street never changes, because human nature never changes." ~ Jesse Livermore

"Wealth and rank are what people desire, but unless they are obtained in the right way they may not be possessed." ~ Confucius

"Man has the power to act as his own destroyer—and that is the way he has acted through most of his history." ~ Ayn Rand

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti

"Men in the game are blind to what men looking on see clearly." ~ Chinese Proverb

"The most exquisite paradox"¦ as soon as you give it all up, you can have it all. As long as you want power, you can't have it. The minute you don't want power, you'll have more than you ever dreamed possible." ~ Ram Dass

"If thou wilt make a man happy, add not unto his riches but take away from his desires." ~ Epicurus

"Most of the time common stocks are subject to irrational and excessive price fluctuations in both directions as the consequence of the ingrained tendency of most people to speculate or gamble... to give way to hope, fear and greed." ~ Benjamin Graham

"The investor's chief problem – and even his worst enemy – is likely to be himself." ~ Benjamin Graham "The ignorant mind, with its infinite afflictions, passions, and evils, is rooted in the three poisons. Greed, anger, and delusion." Bodhidharma

"Money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver." ~ Ayn Rand "Money often costs too much." Ralph Waldo Emerson

"I do nothing but go about persuading you all, old and young alike, not to take thought for your persons or your properties, but and chiefly to care about the greatest improvement of the soul. I tell you that virtue is not given by money, but that from virtue comes money and every other good of man, public as well as private. This is my teaching, and if this is the doctrine which corrupts the youth, I am a mischievous person." ~ Socrates, quoted by Plato, 'The Death of Socrates'

"Did you get your money by fraud? By pandering to men's vices or men's stupidity? By catering to fools, in the hope of getting more than your ability deserves? By lowering your standards? By doing work you despise for purchasers you scorn? If so, then your money will not give you a moment's or a penny's worth of joy. Then all the things you buy will become, not a tribute to you, but a reproach; not an achievement, but a reminder of shame." ~ Ayn Rand

 

[bennedose]

.but but but Ray the train is fast and clearly the act in the picture when done by Chinese in China is not considered unclean (by Chinese from China LOL) . So what is the problem? The lady surely has the valid permits for travel and tickets. What's a little bit of urine here and there?

 

[nimo_cn]

is not India the largest open air defecation field where people take it for granted? people take a dump everywhere they want and no one is gonna stop them.

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[Ray]

is not India the largest open air defecation field where people take it for granted? people take a dump everywhere they want and no one is gonna stop them.

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Is it?

What a comparison, if if one takes it to be true.

Open fields of India and China defecating merrily in public transportation packed with other passengers or in areas of the city with other walking past nonchalantly!

And when one objects, he is thrashed!

Now from a Chinese newspaper:

Some children of mainland Chinese tourists have been literally taking shits in corridors at shopping malls around Hong Kong. Several short clips have been flooded with abusive slogans such as "Go back to your own country and crap there," echoing the Japanese fury over the Senkaku Islands.

Open defecation is a daily norm in rural, agricultural China. Smiling peasants easily take care of their business in paddy fields. Scenes of a three-year-old girl squatting for a pee aided by her mother in a waiting room of a crowded train station are as common as a dog raising its hind-limb by a tree on a Paris street. The Chinese consider human excrement as fertilizer, a recycling product from Mother Nature. We Hongkongers as former colonial subjects have long been indoctrinated with the Western hegemonic concept of a flushing toilet—invented in the Victorian era—assuming that doing your business in a closed cubicle in your own privacy and flushing it after use is the supreme form of civilization. How prejudiced we are. With China's economic might proudly climbing up to the global scale and now overtaking even Germany and Japan, let alone Britain—it is time that we redefined words like "decency" and "civilization" in the Chinese way. Even from the Marxist point of view, open defecation as a Chinese custom could help Hong Kong build into a more classless and what Beijing calls a "harmonious society." Our Southeast Asian domestic helpers could at least enjoy a brief and proud moment by offering some instructions for hygienic precautions by slipping a newspaper between the floor and the child's bottom in time. It would be a rare break from the it's-always-what-your-Chinese-master-tells-you-what-to-do racist rule.

http://hk-magazine.com/city-living/column/hong-kong-shit

But for the nuggets as above, the Chinese are notorious to hide all blemishes from the eyes of the international and even its domestic people!

 

[t_co]

I never accused you of having an issue with me personally.

Yes you did.

You simply tried to advise your compatriot on how to deal with me.

Of course; I told someone not to waste their time with you. You were the one that took it to be my attack on your opinions, which are distinct from your persona.

Of course it is another matter why you may have wanted someone else to deal with me in a way that YOU thought was appropriate. If YOU did not have an issue with me personally and merely felt that my opinion was wrong there was no need to advise someone else to deal with me in a particular way.

No, you are deliberately blurring the lines of the debate here.

There is a trichotomy at play:

1. I do not have an issue with your opinions.
2. I do think your opinions are wrong.
3. I have issues with your persona.

Either you consider him a "chamcha" (one who sucks up to you) or you are not wholly satisfied with your mere, and less than emphatic, disagreement with my view.

That's also a false dichotomy. I do not consider him someone who sucks up to me; I consider him someone who might need help knowing who to ignore on the forum.

You want support. Clearly you had a bigger issue with me personally than you want to admit by the way you jumped in to advise and support someone who decided to analyse my personal travel history.

No, analyzing your personal travel history is an attempt to argue against anecdotes with anecdotes, and hence a waste of time. I do not want support for my positions; I want support for logical debate on this forum.

The "headshot - boom" business is a poor try. Not effective. It may be a Freudian slip indicating how you would really like to deal with me- that is after all how the Communist Chinese deal with disagreement and different opinions.



I did say that the indoctrination runs deep. The party ensures that the entire Han nation thinks like this

How do you even know I'm Chinese? Is my English too good to be Indian?

Sorry. Your reply was not good enough apart from being unnecessary. There is no need to reply to a difference of opinion, but you are still so worked up that you are flitting from drumming up support to virtual headshot. But different opinions will be there. No need to get the knickers in a twist. Just accept them and move on. The Indian railways do transport more people at lower rates than any other railway system in the world.

I will indulge your relentless questioning of my motives this once. My fundamental annoyance with you is how you seem to cheerfully flout the rules of logical debate without any attempt to improve yourself. You, and those who argue like you, drag down the quality of discussion on this forum (apart from your excellent analysis of Chinese border fortifications).

 

[t_co]

is not India the largest open air defecation field where people take it for granted? people take a dump everywhere they want and no one is gonna stop them.

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Ray and benne disgust me. They are posting pornographic pictures of children who have not yet learned to control their bowels to prove some nebulous point about Chinese hygiene, when a simple comparison of per capita toilet access, cholera incidence by 100,000 people, and other assorted sanitation statistics would take a metaphorical dump on their entire argument.

I am reporting both of them to the relevant authorities for distribution of indecent photographs of minors.

 

[Ray]

Ray and benne disgust me. They are posting pornographic pictures of children who have not yet learned to control their bowels to prove some nebulous point about Chinese hygiene, when a simple comparison of per capita toilet access, cholera incidence by 100,000 people, and other assorted sanitation statistics would take a metaphorical dump on their entire argument.

I am reporting both of them to the relevant authorities for distribution of indecent photographs of minors.

And you disgust me because you bring in irrelevance on India everytime, everywhere and anywhere.

But then when you are shown a mirror, you wail like a typical Chinese who feels that he has let down the task assigned to him by the CCP and the Laogai stares!

You are so blind that you fail to see a teenager at what you call dumping on what I think is a ticket booth. So, not toilet trained?

And anyway, in India children cannot pee or 'dump' inside a train and in the corridor. So get your fundamentals right.

If you throw muck, then be a MAN and be shown the MIRROR to see YOUR OWN UGLY SIDE.

And the photos are not Pornography.

Pornography means printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement.

Are you sexually aroused?

If so, you are a Paedophile and should not be here!

Now be the good Chinese that you are, weasel out and say that is not what you meant and then throw some rubbish from some Chinese nonsense to tell us what it means in Chinese or some other language!

And to imagine a chap who does not understand what Pornography means has the audacity and temerity to gloat as below

How do you even know I'm Chinese? Is my English too good to be Indian?

 

[Ray]

Ray and benne disgust me. They are posting pornographic pictures of children who have not yet learned to control their bowels to prove some nebulous point about Chinese hygiene, when a simple comparison of per capita toilet access, cholera incidence by 100,000 people, and other assorted sanitation statistics would take a metaphorical dump on their entire argument.

I am reporting both of them to the relevant authorities for distribution of indecent photographs of minors.

I really love that

So your concern as stated by simple comparison of per capita toilet access, cholera incidence by 100,000 people, and other assorted sanitation statistics would take a metaphorical dump on their entire argument

means this post of your:

since India's railways are an inferior mode of transport to any other railway system when measured by any objective measure (speed, comfort, cleanliness, on-time rate)

?

Your logic astounds.

But typically Chinese I will admit since you will resort to anything to prove a point by employing obfuscation, disinformation, bogus contentions and blatant lies.

Be a MAN and not wail and rant, when you are exposed to be the fraudulent shyster that you are when you purvey like a snake oil salesman the Chinese "wonders of the world".

Sorry old chap, I burst your bubble.

You remind of the ditty

Half a pound of tuppenny rice,
Half a pound of treacle.
That's the way the money goes,
Pop! goes the weasel.

Every night when I get home
The monkey's on the table,
Take a stick and knock it off,
Pop! goes the weasel.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

The distance of HSR in total China rail system then is ~10%?

 

[bennedose]

How do you even know I'm Chinese? Is my English too good to be Indian?



I will indulge your relentless questioning of my motives this once. My fundamental annoyance with you is how you seem to cheerfully flout the rules of logical debate without any attempt to improve yourself. You, and those who argue like you, drag down the quality of discussion on this forum (apart from your excellent analysis of Chinese border fortifications).

Sorry sir - telling people whom to ignore and supporting their ad hominem with a judgement on the low proportion of words used for ad hominem in a post is not (in my opinion) a way of improving debate on a forum.

I like your reference to "improving myself". What I need to do is my business and the idea that I need to "improve myself" is YOUR opinion. Incidentally I don't mind if you fail to improve yourself because I don't care. But that is my attitude and clearly you are not required to take on my attitudes. And I will not take on yours even if you pretend to be some sort of quality controller of the forum.

If you are fishing for compliments, your English is better than most people on earth, certainly most English people and Americans but the comment about Indian English only indicates your continued irritation and deeply felt need to hurt me and my unashamed Indianness in some way, a feeble attempt which brought a smile to my face. That comment certainly belongs in the "headshot ha ha I win" genre and gives me one more lever to use in future discussions.

You have a Chinese flag next to your name. Either you have approved that, in which case you are likely to be Chinese, or you have lied and are trying to mislead. From a person who tries to pass himself (or herself?) off as some sort of forum quality control manager - I would expect you to be truthful about your ethnic roots, if not your citizenship. If that flag is a lie then this blather about "quality discussion" from you is going to serve me well as long as I continue to debate on this forum. The internet is about two decades old and some of us have been on forums for that long. Being new to one forum does not mean that one is new to all forms of forum discussion. I hope you can appreciate the difference given your vast and deep understanding of nuances in the English language.

 

[t_co]

And you disgust me because you bring in irrelevance on India everytime, everywhere and anywhere.

But then when you are shown a mirror, you wail like a typical Chinese who feels that he has let down the task assigned to him by the CCP and the Laogai stares!

You are so blind that you fail to see a teenager at what you call dumping on what I think is a ticket booth. So, not toilet trained?

And anyway, in India children cannot pee or 'dump' inside a train and in the corridor. So get your fundamentals right.

If you throw muck, then be a MAN and be shown the MIRROR to see YOUR OWN UGLY SIDE.

And the photos are not Pornography.

Pornography means printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement.

Are you sexually aroused?

If so, you are a Paedophile and should not be here!

Now be the good Chinese that you are, weasel out and say that is not what you meant and then throw some rubbish from some Chinese nonsense to tell us what it means in Chinese or some other language!

And to imagine a chap who does not understand what Pornography means has the audacity and temerity to gloat as below

COPINE scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wrong.

3 Erotica Surreptitiously taken photographs of children in play areas or other safe environments showing either underwear or varying degrees of nakedness.

You're clearly on the COPINE scale, and your name deserves to be put on a database.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Could this thread be closed now?:shocked:

 

[Tolaha]

Could this thread be closed now?:shocked:

Happens to threads suffering from t_co effect!

 

[Ray]

COPINE scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wrong.

3 Erotica Surreptitiously taken photographs of children in play areas or other safe environments showing either underwear or varying degrees of nakedness.

You're clearly on the COPINE scale, and your name deserves to be put on a database.

It is only an indoctrinated person who is a lakir ka fakir. That is interpret only the word and not the context.

You conveniently omit - 2. Pictures of naked or semi-naked children in appropriate nudist settings, and from legitimate sources.

Applicable in UK and Ireland.

Typically Chinese - the drowning man clutching at straws!

 

[t_co]

Sorry sir - telling people whom to ignore and supporting their ad hominem with a judgement on the low proportion of words used for ad hominem in a post is not (in my opinion) a way of improving debate on a forum.

Telling people to ignore people who are bad debaters is a very good way to improve debate on a forum.

I like your reference to "improving myself". What I need to do is my business and the idea that I need to "improve myself" is YOUR opinion. Incidentally I don't mind if you fail to improve yourself because I don't care. But that is my attitude and clearly you are not required to take on my attitudes. And I will not take on yours even if you pretend to be some sort of quality controller of the forum.

Wow, defensive much?

If you are fishing for compliments, your English is better than most people on earth, certainly most English people and Americans but the comment about Indian English

1. Not fishing for compliments

only indicates your continued irritation and deeply felt need to hurt me and my unashamed Indianness in some way, a feeble attempt which brought a smile to my face. That comment certainly belongs in the "headshot ha ha I win" genre and gives me one more lever to use in future discussions.

2. Does not indicate a need to hurt your unashamed Indianness - only your unashamed illogic and stupidity (which are different, mind you).
3. One more lever? Me hurting your feelings because you're stupid is a lever against me? In that case, I shall give you many, many more levers in the future of that sort.

You have a Chinese flag next to your name. Either you have approved that, in which case you are likely to be Chinese, or you have lied and are trying to mislead. From a person who tries to pass himself (or herself?) off as some sort of forum quality control manager - I would expect you to be truthful about your ethnic roots, if not your citizenship. If that flag is a lie then this blather about "quality discussion" from you is going to serve me well as long as I continue to debate on this forum. The internet is about two decades old and some of us have been on forums for that long. Being new to one forum does not mean that one is new to all forms of forum discussion. I hope you can appreciate the difference given your vast and deep understanding of nuances in the English language.

Nope. Having a 'false flag' on this forum is orthogonal towards the words one says on this forum. Do you think, for one second, that Ray is an Icelander who happens to have served as a Brigadier in the Indian Army? His Icelandic flag has no bearing on whether we assign him more or less credibility.

 

[t_co]

Happens to threads suffering from t_co effect!

I can smack down illogical posts all day long, and I eat their authors for breakfast. HOO RAH

 

[Ray]

Could this thread be closed now?:shocked:

From High Speed train, because one Chinese tried to be a smart aleck, it has become a High Speed Thread!