Recoil-less Guns

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    Re: Army wants Light Specialist Vehicle




    106mm RCL can be used as portable artillery <as i have said here i agree

    it can fire on move so does able to cause massive destruction at cheap against Infantry fortifications .. <don't you think a man portable system could do the same thing with much more versatility,adaptability, in your hand solution eg a section or platoon equipped with carl or rpg.

    Never underestimate Old stuff can do and out do new tech .<who is ?aren't carl and rpg are old enough themselves

    the point is we are not talking about old vs new but are talking about the" practicality and feasibility "of weapon system in a real battlefield. its not that rcl can't make a kill it surely can and in a devastating way but the debate is all about what would you prefer in today time and in this a man portable system comes in with all the advantages.I have a hard time picturing anyone fielding a crew-served weapon on a platform that offers NO protection for the gunner or other members of the crew these days.for destroying infantry carl in a section is much versatile and can be used as per the situation demanded or arises rather than depending on rcl mounted jeep .

    as far as i am concerned i can see 106mm rcl being used only

    in situations where the enemy it totally outfought, has no ability to return fire
    as a weapon of very last resort where you have no other better option

    AGAIN THE DEBATE IS ABOUT WHAT WOULD YOU "PREFER" 106MM OR RPG,CARLAND ATGM " IF" YOU HAVE THE OPTION AVAILABLE

    please give me a situation where 106mm rcl would be more effective in indian context.............
     
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    Re: Army wants Light Specialist Vehicle

    You do realize that when speaking about Carl, It is itself a RCL .. ?

    As far as 106mm RCL in today`s senerio, It is best suited in defensive positions and hand of Para troopers, It has longer range and bigger diameter of shells..

    Not to mention it has a range of 6kms in indirect mode, Gud for situating them at mountain regions..

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    Though, 106mm utility is limited to above prospects in my opinion ..

     
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    You do realize that when speaking about Carl, It is itself a RCL .. ? < I have always mentioned it's about 106mm rcl vs otherweapon system not RCL vs other weapon system.

    As far as 106mm RCL in today`s senerio, It is best suited in defensive positions < here i agree completely

    Gud for situating them at mountain regions..< here i have my doubts because High-angle fire and RCL don't go together very well because we've intentionally designed them for flat-angle direct fire. The Himalayan mountain range consist of very steep sloped mountains.
     
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    Re: Army wants Light Specialist Vehicle

    106mm RCL are in use effectively in J&K, Against tangos so does ZU-23-2 and 40mm L70 and 84mm RCL ..
     
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    Re: Army wants Light Specialist Vehicle

    During Kargil war, Artillery men had to carry 75mm Field guns by hands over mountains for direct fire, I wish RCL was active back then, Hopefully could have been used in direct role by Infantry itself ..
    @Ray Sir ..

     
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    SPG-9, 73mm RCL Gun ..

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    The SPG-9 Kopye (Spear) is a Russian tripod-mounted man-portable, 73 millimetre calibre recoilless gun developed by the Soviet Union. It fires fin-stabilised, rocket-assisted HE and HEAT projectiles similar to those fired by the 73 mm 2A28 Grom low pressure gun of the BMP-1 armored vehicle.

    The SPG-9 is light, and is normally transported by vehicle, and carried into position by its two crew. It can be deployed in around a minute. The weapon is in service with a large number of armed forces, and a variety of ammunition is produced, however mostly they are copies of the original Soviet PG-9 HEAT and OG-9 FRAG-HE rounds.

    It Weight 59.5 kg (131 lb) with the tripod, And has a max range of 1,200 m ..

    Source : SPG-9 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    106mm Recoilless Rifle-In-Action

     
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    Re: Army wants Light Specialist Vehicle

    106mm RCL has a back blast and so siting would be problem.

    That is why in the earlier days for the mountains, 57mm RCL ws authorised.
     
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    In many respect, Earlier days were better ..
     
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    An US Army Mech Mule mounted with 106MM RCL gun ..
     
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    This is an interesting concept, a 20 MM rifle which looks like and is handled like a Recoilless rifle

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V7HBgzgx5o

     
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    Anyone has any photo of Indian Jonga jeep with 106mm RCL ?

    Their is none on google.
     
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    Pleased to share:

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    Circa 2002 during Op Parakram.

    Saving pics in HD for years can be useful afterall lol

     
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    Thanks for sharing, Really appreciated !
     
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    from scrap heap:

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    1965 war.

    IA officer surveys damage to a concrete Pakistani pillbox caused by own Jeep RCLs

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    Very interesting pictures, We regret phasing out these guns.

    I hope that we some day issue a requirment of a vehicle mounted long barrel 84mm RL which use similar ammunition of hand held 84mm RL.

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    Such improvised solution cannot match what we have lost, Their is a need for such a system in hand of Infantry.

     
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    For sake of discussion, what does 106 mm RCL system provide?

    It cannot penetrate modern armour. It does not offer protection to troops.

    A soldier could dismount from a vehicle and fire a 84 mm weapon. As my.picture shows, reloading the rifle needs dismounting and vehicle to be stationary.

    Moreover, you have ATGMs who can do the job which RCL can, potentially better though expensive.

     
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    Documentary of Param Vir Abdul Hamid (portrayed by Nasiruddin Shah).
     
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