Reasons for US' recent India Appeasement tactics?

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We must be vary of them yanks. We should only focus on indigenous weapons as the goal and only accept offers which includes tot otherwise deals should be shrugged off.
In addition to that, India needs to ask itself whether it can really afford all these weapons while the rupee trades under 60 to the dollar and twin deficits continue to mount...
 

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Being the largest arms importer in the world, while the currency slumps and the government imposes draconian import curbs to keep its balance of payments afloat, is hardly desirable.
Imports are good, when they give you what you dont have. And Rupee at 60 is also good as unwanted and luxuries will be costlier to import and exports will fetch more value.

Now Indian farmers will earn more when they export and the malaysian palm oil will become costlier wrt indian oilseeds... and australian coal will become even costlier forcing CIL to produce more and even open coal fields to private and multinational players...

We always see the sunshine in whatever problems we encounter...
 

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In addition to that, India needs to ask itself whether it can really afford all these weapons while the rupee trades under 60 to the dollar and twin deficits continue to mount...
Yes we can as we are a free country, unlike china which is based on american debt can! I hope get the picture where china stands if US refuses to acknowledge the debt....:p
 

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Imports are good, when they give you what you dont have. And Rupee at 60 is also good as unwanted and luxuries will be costlier to import and exports will fetch more value.

Now Indian farmers will earn more when they export and the malaysian palm oil will become costlier wrt indian oilseeds... and australian coal will become even costlier forcing CIL to produce more and even open coal fields to private and multinational players...

We always see the sunshine in whatever problems we encounter...
India's per-capita oil and gas consumption will continue to go up, though, and there is no substitute India can get in the next ten years...
 

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India's per-capita oil and gas consumption will continue to go up, though, and there is no substitute India can get in the next ten years...
Yes you may be correct but what about Thorium? Hmmmmm

BTW China's consumption alone will surpass the whole world...what will China do.....you don't even have Thorium?
 

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India's per-capita oil and gas consumption will continue to go up, though, and there is no substitute India can get in the next ten years...
it depends on how and were the govt subsidies go to. E vehicles are picking up in India and a small boost from the Govt will accelerate the growth.

India is increasing the power generation through solar installations and small hydel power plants and Wind energy is making more inroads.

India to double renewable energy capacity by 2017: Manmohan Singh - Economic Times

and its better to do shared research with the technically advanced nations like the US, Russia, EU and Israel. We started as importers, then moved to assemblers, then to licensed producers and with TOT and now are doing joint research. this matures the scientific community and also gives them the access to some of the best facilities in the world. This helps us in developing indigenous technologies that come out to be really good ones in the field. Its better to import or co-develop rather than copying something bluntly and producing sub standard equipments that will fail in the heat of the war...
 

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Yes we can as we are a free country, unlike china which is based on american debt can! I hope get the picture where china stands if US refuses to acknowledge the debt....:p
like this :scared1: ???
 

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No country in this world has the potential to develop all it needs. Even America has to import one thing or the other.

Remember it was Tipu's rockets got a new name as Congreve rockets and the technology of using Rockets in warfare matured and Last week India test fired a self propelled artillery rocket with a range of 5000 km... Technology from India Inspired a new way to fight wars and to explore the universe.

Its not a shame to learn from others and its a shame to not accept that one has learnt from the other. Copying is equal to theivery...
 

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Yes you may be correct but what about Thorium? Hmmmmm

BTW China's consumption alone will surpass the whole world...what will China do.....you don't even have Thorium?
What about Thorium?
 

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oops vietnam, phillipines, taiwan and Japan all have disputed maritime borders with China... I think the count now is 6 and growing!!!
Does Philipine, Japan and Taiwan has LAND Border with China?
 

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Yes we can as we are a free country, unlike china which is based on american debt can! I hope get the picture where china stands if US refuses to acknowledge the debt....:p
A "free" country doesn't mean you can buy anything for free!

Where will China stand if US refuses to acknowledge the debt?
CPC will laugh their ass off if US gov wants to kill itself!
Some tips for this american debt issue:
1. most of american debt hold by China were purchased from second market, so americans can estimate how much Chinese have but there is no way that they know which bonds were in the chinese account. So americans can't stop Chinese to sell these debt to third country.
2. 80% of USA debt are owned by american domestic companies, pension funds, banks. Any effort to refuse to acknowledge the debt will cost milions of americans life saving. I really don't think any amercian politicians would dare to suggest that.
3. Even if US figures out how to reject its liability to China alone, Chinese can simply use US companies and private investment in China to compensate its loss.
 

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If China has only issues with "LAND BORDERS" I guess we can set up camp in the South China sea about 10 miles offshore and China should not have any problem with that according to @t_co and @no smoking:pound:
 
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A "free" country doesn't mean you can buy anything for free!

Where will China stand if US refuses to acknowledge the debt?
CPC will laugh their ass off if US gov wants to kill itself!
Some tips for this american debt issue:
1. most of american debt hold by China were purchased from second market, so americans can estimate how much Chinese have but there is no way that they know which bonds were in the chinese account. So americans can't stop Chinese to sell these debt to third country.
2. 80% of USA debt are owned by american domestic companies, pension funds, banks. Any effort to refuse to acknowledge the debt will cost milions of americans life saving. I really don't think any amercian politicians would dare to suggest that.
3. Even if US figures out how to reject its liability to China alone, Chinese can simply use US companies and private investment in China to compensate its loss.
And what is your source for this info? Post links.
 

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Please pardon my unfortunate cynicism after:
> starting from the entire Nixon-Kissinger fiasco,
> to creating the Mujahiddins and teaching Pak the art of proxy war for which we are suffering till date,
> to ousting multiple moderate governments in the middle east to install puppets, which paved the way later for extremist takeovers,
> to financing Paki jihadists via the intermediary so called "Pak Civilian Government" in guise of aid,
> to the recent handover of weapons to Pak for Afghan drawdown,
> to hobnobbing with the Taliban in Qatar to facilitate the drawdown,
> to allying and arming Al Qaeda against Syria

Unfortunate cynicism... yes, but not without enough reasons.

Calling those efforts "appeasement" is unfortunate.
 

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A "free" country doesn't mean you can buy anything for free!

Where will China stand if US refuses to acknowledge the debt?
CPC will laugh their ass off if US gov wants to kill itself!
Some tips for this american debt issue:
1. most of american debt hold by China were purchased from second market, so americans can estimate how much Chinese have but there is no way that they know which bonds were in the chinese account. So americans can't stop Chinese to sell these debt to third country.
2. 80% of USA debt are owned by american domestic companies, pension funds, banks. Any effort to refuse to acknowledge the debt will cost milions of americans life saving. I really don't think any amercian politicians would dare to suggest that.
3. Even if US figures out how to reject its liability to China alone, Chinese can simply use US companies and private investment in China to compensate its loss.
I like your interpretation skills, serioulsly I do!

When I say India is a free country - I mean its people are free and policies will have to get approved through a proper channel through discussions, unlike China.

Your explaination about ownership of debt is very intesting, however - the questions still remains what if US says F-OFF to Chinese proxies and CCP?

Recently, US has indicated the same in a situation when push comes to shove!
 

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Please pardon my unfortunate cynicism after:
> starting from the entire Nixon-Kissinger fiasco,
> to creating the Mujahiddins and teaching Pak the art of proxy war for which we are suffering till date,
> to ousting multiple moderate governments in the middle east to install puppets, which paved the way later for extremist takeovers,
> to financing Paki jihadists via the intermediary so called "Pak Civilian Government" in guise of aid,
> to the recent handover of weapons to Pak for Afghan drawdown,
> to hobnobbing with the Taliban in Qatar to facilitate the drawdown,
> to allying and arming Al Qaeda against Syria

Unfortunate cynicism... yes, but not without enough reasons.
Your new laundry list has nothing to do with your original post. But that's the way we roll here on DFI.:pokerface:
 
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