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I guess Gas in Pakistan is very cheap be it the house supplied or the CNG while electricity is expensive

Pakistan export has suffered alot because of energy crisis.every industry is working less than half the capacity.

Zin block is suppose to have twice the reserves of sui gas discovered in 1952 and still running.
thats all it means for. you have over $14billion+ remittances which would be utilized to buy energy, mainly less polluting gas, to have more electricity to run industries, and also to avoid violence when Lahore type cities face electricity cut...... you need to have a gas pipeline of a very big cross-sectional area on your border which would mean to fulfill requirements for the Gas Plants to produce electricity, and also to run more vehicles by gas :thumb:

in India, my one friend told me that for a small car, it costs around Rs 2.5 per KM in case of gas engine, while the same result in around 4.5 Indian Rupees per KM in case of petrol car, of the same modal/size. and thats a huge difference too, for a Middle Class family...... (in India, 1 litre petrol is priced at around 78 INR currently.)
 

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We need joint defence related project with iran as well

Iran has offered to expand the Pipeline upto bangladesh

what a bull and crap, they have not even signed an MOU, let alone chest thumping about the gas pipeline. they trying to show that
have a very independent policy. again lying to its own people has become a habbit.
 

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ok, let me be nice to Farhan for the numerous laughs he has given and provide him the links he was asking for:

Indian investment began in the last century and natural gas was discovered by Indian companies in 2002:

The Hindu : National : Huge gas reserves in Farsi block



India and Iran have been trying to find a customer including the feasibility of transporting it to India and well.. you know... Pakistan!

Fars News Agency :: Iran Approves Indian Gas Commerciality Report on Farsi Block



India did not opt for it, but its investment did not go waste. Pakistanis turned up, not just agreeing to buy it, but paying for it in rates connected to the price of oil!!!



Pakistanis are indeed, big-hearted customers! :rofl:
The last part is very old news,i mean india has already pulled out of the deal

India has only discovered nothing else.ane 10tcf is very small for a rich country in iran even just a single block in zin block balochistan discovered has twice the reserves of Sui gas(22trillions cubic feet)
 

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thats all it means for. you have over $14billion+ remittances which would be utilized to buy energy, mainly less polluting gas, to have more electricity to run industries, and also to avoid violence when Lahore type cities face electricity cut...... you need to have a gas pipeline of a very big cross-sectional area on your border which would mean to fulfill requirements for the Gas Plants to produce electricity, and also to run more vehicles by gas :thumb:

in India, my one friend told me that for a small car, it costs around Rs 2.5 per KM in case of gas engine, while the same result in around 4.5 Indian Rupees per KM in case of petrol car, of the same modal/size. and thats a huge difference too, for a Middle Class family...... (in India, 1 litre petrol is priced at around 78 INR currently.)
Indeed..our export between 2002-06 increased very fast but onwards 2008 it is struck only because of energy crisis

CNG gives a better mileage than petrol..almost twice still cost 40pkr less than petrol in pakistan
 

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The last part is very old news,i mean india has already pulled out of the deal
Not that what you said is correct or wrong, but it doesn't matter if India does not build the pipeline to India. That is NOT what you just learnt remember? What you actually learnt is that India has indeed invested in Iranian fields.

The point is, there is Indian investment in Iran. There is some trouble in offloading gas to India or any other country. Except Pakistan. And Pakistan has agreed to pay for its gas in the rate connected to oil!

The trouble would be if Pakistan fails to build pipeline on its side of the border. Iran has already built its section of the 500 mile long pipeline on its side. If Pakistan doesn't complete this project by 2014 (which it hasn't started yet), it pays 1 million dollars per day! :sad: India will have to hope this does not have any effect on its investments!

India has only discovered nothing else.ane 10tcf is very small for a rich country in iran even just a single block in zin block balochistan discovered has twice the reserves of Sui gas(22trillions cubic feet)
yeah right, 10 TCF is small, isnt it? :dude: As per the deal, Tehran will provide 750 million cubic feet of gas per day for 25 years.You know how many millions are there in a trillion? :pft:
 

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Not that what you said is correct or wrong, but it doesn't matter if India does not build the pipeline to India. That is NOT what you just learnt remember? What you actually learnt is that India has indeed invested in Iranian fields.

The point is, there is Indian investment in Iran. There is some trouble in offloading gas to India or any other country. Except Pakistan. And Pakistan has agreed to pay for its gas in the rate connected to oil!

The trouble would be if Pakistan fails to build pipeline on its side of the border. Iran has already built its section of the 500 mile long pipeline on its side. If Pakistan doesn't complete this project by 2014 (which it hasn't started yet), it pays 1 million dollars per day! :sad: India will have to hope this does not have any effect on its investments!
Indian firms just discovered..can you back the claim that the discovered field is now under indian firm?like in pakistan ENI holds alot of reserves in pakistan,,
Contract alreadty signed with a iranian firm.iran will also pay for the construction inside pakistan..construction on pakistan will start on monday,



yeah right, 10 TCF is small, isnt it? :dude: As per the deal, Tehran will provide 750 million cubic feet of gas per day for 25 years.You know how many millions are there in a trillion? :pft:
smaller for a country like Iran..not for pakistan or india though
 

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^^ Yes, Pakistani industries are in a grave crisis due to gas shortages. The answer to this crisis lies well within Pakistan. In the last 6 decades, never has the Pakistani elite/army respected the aspiration of the Balochis. Maybe they can, instead of paying lip service, start considering them as equal to the Pakjabi elite. And then the major part of the crisis would be solved. But this requires Pakjabi elite to respect people for what they are, their differences and all. That unfortunately just goes against the foundations on which Pakistan was established, which said that different people needed separate nations to accommodate them!
 

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Note:This doenst include the 22tcf zin block reserves
neither does the 14tcf reserves in kirthar

Pakistan has 35 TCF tight gas reserves


Pakistan has an estimated 35 Trillion Cubic Feet (TCF) tight gas reserves, which are more than the existing approved natural gas reserves of 28.5 TCF, officials said.

They said that at present the country was facing severe gas shortage and to deal with the looming crisis, the government had approved Tight Gas Policy 2011 besides allowing import of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) through third party allocations.


To a question they explained, "tight gas is typically stuck in very tight formations underground - trapped in hard rock or in a sandstone or limestone formations that are usually impermeable and non-porous." Referring to a report of Pakistan Petroleum Exploration and Production Companies Association (PPEPCA), they said that the country would have sufficient natural gas if tight gas was explored which required advance technology and huge investment.


As tight gas exploration is more difficult and the required technology is more expensive, companies don't typically go in for exploration until given attractive incentives.

They said that due to the law and order situation in the country international gas exploration companies were reluctant to invest in the country.

The officials said that to attract the international companies the government has announced a number of incentives including security guarantee and better prices.


Companies, which succeed in recovering gas from tight fields within two years will get 50 percent hike against 2009 price and if it takes more time they will get only a 40 percent hike.

Besides, the lease for the fields will now be for 40 years instead of 30 as per the 2009 policy, the official said.

Even with the improved prices for the tight gas to be paid to the exploration companies, it is estimated that Pakistan will have to pay a maximum of $6.5/Btu for the gas compared to $12.3/Btu for imported gas.


They said that investors will be offered 40 percent premium on the current gas price for exploring tight gas.

Similarly, 50 percent premium will be offered on current gas price to investors if they commission their project within two years.

Pakistan can also produce gas from Thar coal with the help of underground coal gasification (UCG) technology.

There is a potential to produce 35 TCF of coal-bed methane from Thar coal, sources added.

Pakistan has approved a new tight gas exploration policy with improved incentives as compared with its 2009 policy, to overcome the country's gas shortfall and attract foreign investment, the official added.


"Tight gas is a more feasible option for the economy as even after giving additional incentives the cost of gas available will be less than imported gas and there will be no burden on the foreign exchange reserves for additional imports," the officials said.



Pakistan has 35 TCF tight gas reserves | Business Recorder
 

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^^ Yes, Pakistani industries are in a grave crisis due to gas shortages. The answer to this crisis lies well within Pakistan. In the last 6 decades, never has the Pakistani elite/army respected the aspiration of the Balochis. Maybe they can, instead of paying lip service, start considering them as equal to the Pakjabi elite. And then the major part of the crisis would be solved. But this requires Pakjabi elite to respect people for what they are, their differences and all. That unfortunately just goes against the foundations on which Pakistan was established, which said that different people needed separate nations to accommodate them!
leave this on us.Balochistan is no more a baloch majority state but rather pashtuns now,
 

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Indian firms just discovered..can you back the claim that the discovered field is now under indian firm?like in pakistan ENI holds alot of reserves in pakistan,,
Oh really? Under Indian firm? Did I claim that India has ownership over the oil it discovers? Nope, it isnt. Instead, as per Iranian law, companies get a cut of 35% above their operational expense and 15% of the price at which the gas gets sold to.

Contract alreadty signed with a iranian firm.iran will also pay for the construction inside pakistan..construction on pakistan will start on monday,
You might like to believe that Iranian money is your money, but as far as Iranians are concerned, its not. It's a loan! While Pakistan spent ages trying to convince other countries to build/finance the pipeline, it was finally left to Iran itself to come forward and get it built through an Iranian company. If the Iranian company fails to finish its work by 2014, then Pakistan has to pay a million dollar a day to Iran! I'm sure, if this contract was given to the Chinese, they would have built it in less than a year! :sad:


smaller for a country like Iran..not for pakistan or india though
Pakistan AND India :rofl:

The reserve has much more gas than what will flow into Pakistan, potentially, in 25 years!
 

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leave this on us.Balochistan is no more a baloch majority state but rather pashtuns now,
Yep I agree. Ever since there was only fake Pashtoons left in Pakistan, they have been breeding like crazy. Due to this and the actions of Talibanis/Pakistan Army, Balochis may get wiped out or at best, remain a minority, more marginal than they are currently.

Wipe out the Sindhis, Shias and Ahmadis as well, and then the Pashtoons and Punjabis will have no more hindrance in living as they like to! Unless... they have a problem with one another! :sad:
 
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Yep I agree. Ever since there was only fake Pashtoons left in Pakistan, they have been breeding like crazy. Due to this and the actions of Talibanis/Pakistan Army, Balochis may get wiped out or at best, remain a minority, more marginal than they are currently.
what do you mean by fake pashtuns?you mean pashtuns living in pakistan are fake?

This is not the case..you can find many baloch on internet and discuss this with them.baloch always were very less in population and majority of them live in karachi.
 

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what do you mean by fake pashtuns?you mean pashtuns living in pakistan are fake?
Isn't it? I was under the assumption that Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan was the last of the Pashtoons to be residing in Pakistani territory? Isn't that right!!!??? :troll:

This is not the case..you can find many baloch on internet and discuss this with them.baloch always were very less in population and majority of them live in karachi.
I agree, they were always small in number. But even that small number seems to be a big problem in exploiting Baloochi gas reserves!
 

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Isn't it? I was under the assumption that Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan was the last of the Pashtoons to be residing in Pakistani territory? Isn't that right!!!??? :troll:
lol.i must admit that your a indian
I agree, they were always small in number. But even that small number seems to be a big problem in exploiting Baloochi gas reserves!
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we are already busy extracting the reserves.ever heard about sui gas?
It has just stopped because the present govt don't know about anything
 

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Iran itself is feeling the pinch in sanctions and Iran is not a poor country.

I wonder, given Pakistan's present economic situation and the turbulent internal situation, whether Pakistan will be able to bear the burden of the sanctions.

However, if it can bear the burden, then surely they should not be worried about the effects of any sanction!

Getting gas from Iran maybe a great political move for the Pakistanis since it will neutralise the Balochi clamour for royalty for Sui Gas, which Pakistan can then exploit less making the Balochis, in a manner of speaking, sing for their supper!

Yet, it is a gamble because the Balochis may take it as another blow/ nail by Pakistan on the coffin and !he issue can boil over.
 
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Note:This doenst include the 22tcf zin block reserves
neither does the 14tcf reserves in kirthar
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Recent Report:
Pakistan left with gas reserves for 18 years, NA told
By: Usman Cheema | January 31, 2013 .

ISLAMABAD - Parliamentary Secretary for Petroleum and Natural Resources, Rukhsana Jamshed Butter Wednesday informed the lower house of Parliament that the country was left with only 18 years reserves of gas.
She said that efforts were on for the discovery of new gas reservoirs. She also claimed that the government was very serious in completing Pak-Iran gas pipeline to smoothly maintain the gas supply for the masses.
Pakistan left with gas reserves for 18 years, NA told | The Nation
This estimation is according to current Pakistani consumption chart but considering :pig: istani's breed like Rabbits this has to be revised pretty soon i guess.
The Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline will contribute 13% of Pakistan consumption (Link)
 
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