RC400 and MBDA MICA approved for JF-17

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As much as it hurts to see our so called allies sell weapons to enemies of ours I do agree that they have the right to sell to anyone they choose. It's a business and everyone is fair game if they have the means to purchase the equipment. What India needs to do is be more self reliant (which they are more and more) and be less leniant when purchasing equipment from our so called friends.

One problem is India doesn't have a strong enough backbone in my opinion and I'm afraid that corruption and bribes will change the outcome of deals instead of performance,cost and political benefits.
 

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Pakistan and China's biggest impediment right now is relative lack of access to western tech. Pak is still relying heavily on their F-16s and the Chinese have had a good look at these birds as well.
And they reverse engineered it to get JF-17 Thunder Blunder. US is selling them AIM-120C5 which is more capable than MICA. I don't see you complaining about that.

with France agreeing to sell the MICA and RC to Pak, in once stroke, a serious handicap for Pak and China will be wiped off, old tech or not. the fact is that it is still more advanced than anything both these countries have, and if France is not sensitive to Indian (and also the international community, given China's track record in proliferation and IPR viiolations) then India should make France realise in the best way it can- by not considering French weapons in future purchases.
Maybe you can play this game with US since they are the main suppliers of Pakistan's advanced weapons. If MoD gains that attitiude India won't be offered anything.

The extreme irony in this is that the genesis of the MMRCA bid lies in the IAF's desire to procure more Mirage 2000s in the first place and just because some MoD babu thought that the M2k-9 was so far removed from the original M2k that it was no longer a follow on purchase but necessitated a new tender, that we are seeing the MMRCA bid now.

talk about France shooting itself in the foot.
How is that France's fault? We don't have anything to do with your babus.

France only has to look at the proposed U214 deal between Germany and Pak to see how Germany is delaying the deal (to the point of scuttling it) jus tso that it can have a good piece of the multi billion dollar Indian market.
They can delay themselves out of the contract for all India and France cares. It is a known fact Zadari is lobbying for cancellation of U-214 for the obsolete Marlin. It is a win-win situation for India and France. France gets orders and Pakistan gets less capable subs.

So lets beat them at their own game since we have the dollars and hold most aces if not all in the pack.
If you kick out France, US, or any other nation that supplies them, what leverage do you have? You just gave Pakistan the political football by doing that.
 

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wow even PAF is not satisfied with Chinese Avionics and radar tech now,
yesterday even Myanmar rejected both JF-17 and FC-1 aircrafts over Mig-29 which is 80's tech.
 

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wow even PAF is not satisfied with Chinese Avionics and radar tech now,
yesterday even Myanmar rejected both JF-17 and FC-1 aircrafts over Mig-29 which is 80's tech.
True enough, Myanmar calls China their "Elder Brother" and supplies 80% of their military equipment. Chinese aircrafts must be greatly inferior to pass up subsidised fighters.
 

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Let's put this to rest.

As Armand2REP rightly pointed out, the article is from Sept. 2007, is dated, has had no subsequent confirmation- either from official sources or otherwise, from Pakistan or from France; and is a moot point of discussion.

France has made no secret of its eyeing both the Indian and Pakistani markets to expand its military sales. And as the then French Defense Minister (and now) Herve Morin rightly put it: "to my knowledge, there is no arms embargo for Pakistan".

However, some perspective: the competition to equip subsequent batches of Pakistan's Jf-17's with a multimode pulse-Doppler radar was reported in 2003 as "involving a competition between Phazotron of Russia with the Kopyo system, Galileo (FIAR) of Italy with the Grifo S-7, and Thales of France with the RC 400".

What has changed is the US-France rapprochement with Nicolas Sarkozy's election in May 2007. The deal would have circumvented the EU's arms & technology embargo over China by transferring elements of the source code required for missile and radar integration % avionics to the Pakistanis. Obviously, that would have damaged the US's efforts to keep Beijing's air power at a disadvantage vis-a-vis Taiwan. Since defence analysts have rightly pointed out, the French-built Mirage fighters owned by Taiwan are actually equipped with such missiles and radar. And the US stepped in.

France has previously sold Delhi and Islamabad weapons, often insulated from the political fallout. But the deal with the Jf-17's has been particularly tenuous, and particularly for politico-diplomatic reasons. Back then, it was estimated that the deal would go through and, to quote an AsiaTimes Onliine article, let China "exploit yet another faultline in US-France relations". But several defense analysts warned of the political repercussions and it didn't. Obviously, pissing off Washington and New Delhi and Taiwan was not an option in the face of expanding military weapons' infrastructure.
 
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wow even PAF is not satisfied with Chinese Avionics and radar tech now,
yesterday even Myanmar rejected both JF-17 and FC-1 aircrafts over Mig-29 which is 80's tech.
Mayanmar rejected FC1 chinese version bcoz they were alreeady using 80s mig 29s so instead of going for a new platform they went for there old migs.
Plus GOOD NEWS EGYPT KAZAKISTAN Indonesia and 15 others are interested in PAK VERSION and sir Egypts thinking of buying an assembly line.And 18 jets will be sold to KAZAKISTAN.
 

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Mayanmar rejected FC1 chinese version bcoz they were alreeady using 80s mig 29s so instead of going for a new platform they went for there old migs.
FC-1 and MiG-29 have almost identical engines and LT is totally dependent on outsourcing parts. Inducting the Thunder Blunder would have been no big deal since the vast majority of their aircraft are Chinese. J-10 and FC-1 lost because they are inferior to MiG-29SMT, especially the avionics.


Plus GOOD NEWS EGYPT KAZAKISTAN Indonesia and 15 others are interested in PAK VERSION and sir Egypts thinking of buying an assembly line.And 18 jets will be sold to KAZAKISTAN.
Kazakhstan is not buying JF-17, they would simply upgrade what they have. Mig-29/31/Su-27.

Egypt just bought more F-16s.

Indonesia already selected Flankers for their fighter competition. The RFIs you're talking about are old as hell. JF-17 didn't win any of them.
 

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