Raymond Davis saga in Pakistan

[debasree]

Rant,what d u mean by rant?i,m telling u the truth.when their entire economy is run by the dole americans& nato friends r giving then how d u expect the nature of their rellaton ! and posting a large matter doesnot mean it is constructive.

 

[Friend]

I feel USA wishes to keep the morale of the other agents around the world high. It doesnt want to pose that if a guy falls in trouble during a mission they would just leave him on his fate. It would compromise the confidence of the agents.

 

[Oracle]

US is certainly not amused by the developments in Pakistan. But for Tom Donilon to use the word Kick Out to Pakistani envoy Hussain Haqqani means the US would go to any length to get Davis back. This time, US has shown the paid sucker it's real place when it comes to National Interests.

Take for example the drone attacks. While the GoP and the PA secretly has lent their support to the Americans for drone attacks, they claim the otherwise in public forums. This creates an environment of hostility and mistrust towards NATO & ISAF forces among the local population. Two headed snake are what these Pakistanis are, and maybe the US has started to learn it's lesson, maybe!

Also in context, look at India's soft power in the International Arena. US is trying to repatriate Tri Valley Indian students into other Universities. And now look at direct threats of Pakistani envoy being kicked out.

Rant,what d u mean by rant?i,m telling u the truth.when their entire economy is run by the dole americans& nato friends r giving then how d u expect the nature of their rellaton ! and posting a large matter doesnot mean it is constructive.

How about an introduction first in the Introduction Thread?

 

[SHASH2K2]

Records did not support diplomatic status for Davis: Qureshi


ISLAMABAD: Former Pakistan foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi has said that according to official records and experts in the foreign office, the US official arrested for gunning down two men in Lahore is "not a diplomat and cannot be given blanket diplomatic immunity".

"The kind of blanket immunity Washington is pressing for (US official Raymond) Davis is not endorsed by the official record of the foreign ministry," said Qureshi, who declined to join Pakistan's new cabinet last week after he was not reallocated the foreign affairs portfolio.

"On the basis of the official record and the advice given to me by the technocrats and experts of the foreign office, I could not certify him (Davis) as a diplomat," Qureshi told The News daily.

Qureshi skipped the swearing-in ceremony for Pakistan's new cabinet on Friday after he learnt that the leadership of the ruling Pakistan People's Party had decided not to reallocate the foreign affairs portfolio to him.

Reports have suggested that the PPP decided to remove him from the foreign ministry because of his decision not to back the party's top leadership's move to grant diplomatic immunity to Davis, who was arrested in Lahore last month after he shot and killed two men.

Qureshi also spoke on the issue of Davis during his farewell speech in the foreign ministry, The News quoted its sources as saying.

The foreign ministry, on the basis of its records, had concluded that Davis was "neither a diplomat nor enjoying blanket diplomatic immunity," the sources told.

The sources contended that Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani had asked the foreign ministry not to "utter a word on the issue".

One source was quoted as saying: "Even in an inter-ministerial meeting held at the foreign office, it was agreed that Davis could not be handed over to America".

Davis was never registered in the Foreign Office's records "even as a non-diplomatic staff" as queries sent to the US Embassy remained unanswered.

The US mission had on January 25 sent a list of outstanding cases regarding the status of officials and diplomats but it did not include the name of Davis.

On January 28, a day after Davis killed the two men in Lahore, the US Embassy sent the list of outstanding cases to the foreign ministry and included Davis' name in it, the sources were quoted as saying by The News.

Read more: Records did not support diplomatic status for Davis: Qureshi - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...Qureshi/articleshow/7487655.cms#ixzz1Dq5PZbbD
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[Ray]

Qereshi may be right.

But he is a weasel.

 

[Tshering22]

Well at the end pakistan have to accept US verdict otherwise they gonna kick pakistan @ss.

This is quite obvious. The jailing is done to keep appeasing the local mulla elements (which is easily most of the population) because if Davis got away with the murder, it would mean more violence in all of Pakistani cities as a protest. Now it is difficult to conceptualize "more violence" because it can't get worse than this (or can it?). But I have a feeling that Davis might have been treated very very respectfully in the jail (VIP jail most probably). The only pinch he might be getting is the "in jail" status since it would be negative to his personal profile.

Other than that, Zardari and Co. must be praying for some miracle disaster/incident to happen so that the public attention is distracted and they can get Davis back safely to Pakistan.

Qereshi may be right.

But he is a weasel.

Qureshi recently got replaced by some Hina female, according to reports. Most of the supporters of the man say that he was kicked out of his position because he was one of the few who openly and vehemently opposed releasing of Davis. He was trying to apparently ride on public sentiments so he got snuffed off the political life of PPP.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

USA also told Gillani to cancel his US trip if Davis is not released, once the aid tap is turned off Davis will be released in a second.

 

[SHASH2K2]

USA also told Gillani to cancel his US trip if Davis is not released, once the aid tap is turned off Davis will be released in a second.

Qureshi has made it sure by making a public statement about David not having diplomatic immunity things are not going to be smooth at home as well. PPP is in real soup and way out of it wont be so easy.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/asia/pakistan/2011/02/13/290903/US-considers.htm

US considers tougher approach with Pakistan

WASHINGTON -- A standoff between the United States and Pakistan over a jailed American embassy worker took an ominous turn Friday when police accused the man of "cold-blooded murder" and the U.S. responded with thinly veiled threats to cut valued aid and access for Pakistan unless he is released immediately.

The case of Raymond Allen Davis has opened one of the worst breaches in memory between the United States and a critical counterterrorism partner. His detention has become a point of national honor for both nations, and a rallying point for anti-American suspicion in Pakistan.

U.S. officials hinted broadly that they may cancel or postpone an invitation to Pakistan's foreign minister to visit Washington this month.

Officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the case is before a court, said the Obama administration also is considering a slowdown in visa processing for Pakistanis seeking to come to the United States. That would be hugely unpopular in Pakistan, where grievance already runs high over the perception that the U.S. discriminates or holds back in granting visas to Pakistanis.

The U.S. also is considering suspending or cutting back on military and educational training programs with the Pakistani armed forces and suspending or cutting back on civilian educational, scientific, cultural and local and state government exchanges, one official said.

 

[The Messiah]

This Pleases Me. pakistan getting humiliated every day and being treated like dirt.

serves them right.

 

[SHASH2K2]

U.S. Postpones Meeting With Pakistan and Afghanistan


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The United States this weekend postponed high-level talks to be held in Washington with Pakistan and Afghanistan, a sign of the displeasure with Pakistan over the arrest of an American official accused of murder.
The talks scheduled for Feb. 23 and Feb. 24, held annually to discuss the war in Afghanistan, involve foreign ministers and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.
United States officials have said that a variety of visits and assistance to Pakistan were in jeopardy if the Pakistani government did not quickly resolve the case of the American, Raymond A. Davis, an official who killed two motorcyclists in Lahore on Jan. 27 while driving his car.
The State Department did not give a precise public explanation for the postponement of the talks except to say that "in light of the political changes in Pakistan" the talks would not go ahead.
But American officials said the talks were postponed because it was unlikely they would produce anything worthwhile in the charged atmosphere between Pakistan and the United States. The Americans insist that Mr. Davis is protected by diplomatic immunity and that Pakistan is holding him illegally.
Further, the Pakistani foreign minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, who was supposed to attend the talks and has emerged as a central figure in the standoff over the Davis case, lost his job in a cabinet shuffle by President Asif Ali Zardari on Friday.
Mr. Qureshi told the Pakistani press over the weekend that he had refused a request by Mrs. Clinton to certify that Mr. Davis had diplomatic immunity.
"The kind of blanket immunity Washington is pressing for Davis is not endorsed by the official record of the Foreign Ministry," Mr. Qureshi said, according to the accounts in The News newspaper, and AAJ television. "I could not certify him as a diplomat."
The high court in Lahore, where Mr. Davis is under arrest, has requested a determination from the Foreign Office on Mr. Davis's status.
Mr. Davis, a former Special Forces soldier, is described by the American embassy as a "technical and administrative" official. He carried a diplomatic passport at the time of the shooting.
The presence of American security officials in Pakistan whose duties appear to deal with Islamic extremists as the United States and Pakistan combat terrorism has touched a sensitive nerve among all strands of Pakistani society.
The Davis case set off a firestorm of protest in Pakistan, making it exceedingly difficult for the unpopular American-backed government of Mr. Zardari to release Mr. Davis under the conventions of diplomatic immunity.

 

[Oracle]

Will kill Pak officials if Davis is released: Taliban

The Taliban on Monday warned the Pakistan government not to release American national Raymond Davis, who allegedly shot dead two men in Lahore in January, saying any official involved in a move to free him would be killed by militants.


"Any Pakistani government official playing any role in Davis' release will be killed by the Taliban," said Azam Tariq, spokesman for the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan.

"The people of Pakistan should stand up against efforts being made for the release of the American killer. The case of Davis should be decided in accordance with Shariah (Islamic law)," Tariq told PTI on phone from an undisclosed location.

The Taliban have also demanded that Davis should be executed by the authorities or handed over to militants who would decide his fate. Davis was arrested in Lahore on January 27 after he gunned down two armed men who allegedly were trying to rob him.

A third Pakistani was killed by a US consulate vehicle rushing to aid Davis.

Tariq claimed the case of Davis was a 'big challenge' for the Taliban. He warned that lawyers defending Davis, the judge hearing the case, politicians supporting his release and security forces would face 'dire consequences' if they did not give up their efforts.

"We will kill the supporters of Raymond Davis one by one. According to Shariah, he should be eliminated. He is killer of Muslims and, as such, his release is impossible. He may be released under Pakistani laws, which are un-Islamic and we don't accept them," Tariq said.

The Taliban will continue their struggle against all 'secular forces', he said.

"We consider democracy 'kufr' and those supporting it are promoting un-Islamic values in society," he said.

The shooting incident in Lahore has triggered a diplomatic crisis between the US and Pakistan. Repeated US demands for Davis to be freed on the ground of diplomatic immunity have been rebuffed by Pakistan's top leaders.

Talks between the US, Afghanistan and Pakistan set for February have been put off and American lawmakers have warned that the row could affect civil and military aid for Islamabad.

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[Vikramaditya]

I must admit:I am loving it..

 

[Abir]

Umm, don't you think the wink is off rather poor taste, it might have happened to Indians as well.

 

[Tshering22]

Will kill Pak officials if Davis is released: Taliban

The TTP just got another trump card against the Pakistani government all over again. Everytime there is goof-up by Pakistani government(s), the TTP and other fringe parties simply get a new trump card to make them dance along. So now if Pakistan doesn't release Davis, US screws them and if they release them TTP finishes them.

Talk about being in between a rock and a hard place.

Umm, don't you think the wink is off rather poor taste, it might have happened to Indians as well.

Should've, would've, could've, Abir. But the reality is that it is not happening to Indians because it has happened dozens of times worse to Indians thanks to the Pak sponsored Islamist terrorists in J&K. Now that's changing.

So enjoy this by all means. There's no need to be politically correct since ALL is fair in Love and War. And this is not Love.

 

[Abir]

Should've, would've, could've, Abir. But the reality is that it is not happening to Indians because it has happened dozens of times worse to Indians thanks to the Pak sponsored Islamist terrorists in J&K. Now that's changing.

I'm not sure if you can draw a parallel to J&K terrorism, however death of the widow and the innocent person who was run over by the car was unfortunate and more sickening is American indifference to lives of subcontinental people. Kinda reminds me of the bhopal incident.

Anyway let's not be so blind by animosity so as to rejoice killing of innocents, it's like some Chinese troll putting thumbs-up icon because many people died in train accident in India, if you remember the incident.

 

[Oracle]

Well, every Country has it's own interests to protect and US is definitely good at doing that. Those 2 shot and killed are definitely buggers. And the women killed herself, and there is no fault of Davis in that. Also the run over was an unfortunate incident. Shit happens, more so in Pakistan!

I'm also loving it. A terrorist country deserves worse than what's happening in Pakistan.

 

[Abir]

Well, every Country has it's own interests to protect and US is definitely good at doing that. Those 2 shot and killed are definitely buggers. And the women killed herself, and there is no fault of Davis in that. Also the run over was an unfortunate incident. Shit happens, more so in Pakistan!

I'm also loving it. A terrorist country deserves worse than what's happening in Pakistan.

Your anger is justifiable, but misplaced.

Yes US indeed has every right to protect their citizens, India should learn a trick or two from them. And Indian politicians who sell out their own citizens to be in good book of US also should learn from Shah Mahmood Qureshi; there is always scope to learn, even from your worst enemies.

 

[Oracle]

Your anger is justifiable, but misplaced.

Misplaced where? I do not glorify killings of innocents, even if those are Pakistanis.

Yes US indeed has every right to protect their citizens, India should learn a trick or two from them. And Indian politicians who sell out their own citizens to be in good book of US also should learn from Shah Mahmood Qureshi; there is always scope to learn, even from your worst enemies.

I agree but the later part. I quite could not comprehend!

 

[Abir]

I agree but the later part. I quite could not comprehend!

The guy resigned from his post refusing to bow down on US pressure.