Rajapakse wins key election. Sri Lanka becomes politically unstable.

[aarav]

Chinese have a bigger coastline and is a far bigger country more rich in resources, they still face trade route bottle necks weather be it Pacific or towards Europe.

This is what Chinese seems to be doing, we can always do trade with whichever country we want, but It will be on the route the Chinese want. And in any military conflict situation Chinese will have their arsenal at our door steps.

That Maldives port as a base for chinese is exaggeration, so is the myanmar island near Andaman even the Chittagong port is given to japan for expantion ,in true sense Djibouti and Gwadar are present operational bases of PLA Navy which is far away from chinese coast hence hambantota port lease which is not even shown in the map

 

[Adioz]

I would feel sorry for the chinese sailors who will have to fight the Indian navy on the Indian ocean, that too along our coastline in range of our fighter jets.

I would not feel sorry
But I doubt the Chinese would even get past Andaman sea.

 

[Guest]

This is new info to me. Can you please point me towards a source so I can read up on this issue? The first I heard of this was in post number #31

Just search LTTE and Church you may find many sources, but be careful with propaganda material.

 

[Guest]

That Maldives port as a base for chinese is exaggeration, so is the myanmar island near Andaman even the Chittagong port is given to japan for expantion ,in true sense Djibouti and Gwadar are present operational bases of PLA Navy which is far away from chinese coast hence hambantota port lease which is not even shown in the map

Gwadar is shown, Chinese are constructing an airstrip in Maldives.

Chinese constructed the coco island airstrip, we later worked with Burmese on our relationship which was give and take situation once Myanmar started feeling pressure from Chinese supported insurgents.

As I said earlier unlike Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis are patriotic since they gave blood for their independence, and their relation ship with India has also improved in recent years, recently Chinese tried to bribe them for some high way project but the bribe was returned to Chinese embassy.

We had to work very hard with Myanmar and Bangladesh to curtail the Chinese in the region, hence we have to work hard with Sri Lanka, Maldives etc also, they look upto us can't just put the head in the sand and let the Chinese grab everything.

 

[HeinzGud]

The ties all already are speculated to go down with Sri Lanka with 2 transhipment ports coming up in Vizhinjam in kerela and enayam port in tamil nadu under sagarmala project before that all transhipment use to happen in Colombo ,vizhinjam port is said to come up very soon even though communist are in kerela they awarded it to adani ,and they already operate ports in kandla, gujrat

There is a reason why Shipping companies use Colombo for transshipment. What can Indian ports offer when Colombo situated so close to the international shipping lanes?

 

[HeinzGud]

I would feel sorry for the chinese sailors who will have to fight the Indian navy on the Indian ocean, that too along our coastline in range of our fighter jets.

Don't be very confident of your fighter cover mate. Indian Ocean is a vast expense. IAF nor Indian Naval air arm has no more than few kilometers of air cover over Indian Ocean. Also I don't think India would be too brash about using carriers beyond the nominal air cover.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Don't be very confident of your fighter cover mate. Indian Ocean is a vast expense. IAF nor Indian Naval air arm has no more than few kilometers of air cover over Indian Ocean. Also I don't think India would be too brash about using carriers beyond the nominal air cover.

Dont worry yourself about India's military capabilities, "mate".

 

[Guest]

I would feel sorry for the chinese sailors who will have to fight the Indian navy on the Indian ocean, that too along our coastline in range of our fighter jets.

Chinese will soon have ~70000 ton Aircraft carriers in the Indian ocean, the air strips they have constructed all around India, will help them to place J-20 and UCAVs, around India, It is also possible that their UCAVs could be the class of B-2 spirit bombers.

We all know what was the situation with B-52 at Diego Garcia and a hostile Nixon in USA, fortunately for us America was a democracy and the guy was replaced, well guess what China isn't one and a Xi, or a Mao type leader can keep the pressure for ~30 years, means one whole generation cycle. Where do you think will happen to Indian interests in all that time, what do you think.

 

[AMCA]

The ties all already are speculated to go down with Sri Lanka with 2 transhipment ports coming up in Vizhinjam in kerela and enayam port in tamil nadu under sagarmala project before that all transhipment use to happen in Colombo ,vizhinjam port is said to come up very soon even though communist are in kerela they awarded it to adani ,and they already operate ports in kandla, gujrat

Here is the latest development:::::::::::

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Chinese will soon have ~70000 ton Aircraft carriers in the Indian ocean, the air strips they have constructed all around India, will help them to place J-20 and UCAVs, around India, It is also possible that their UCAVs could be the class of B-2 spirit bombers.

We all know what was the situation with B-52 at Diego Garcia and a hostile Nixon in USA, fortunately for us America was a democracy and the guy was replaced, well guess what China isn't one and a Xi, or a Mao type leader can keep the pressure for ~30 years, means one whole generation cycle. Where do you think will happen to Indian interests in all that time, what do you think.

Brahmos, S400 and Nirbhay, bro. They'll get the job done. We had nothing remotely comparable back then in 71.

 

[Guest]

Brahmos, S400 and Nirbhay, bro. They'll get the job done. We had nothing remotely comparable back then in 71.

The size of J-20 indicates standoff weapon capability, and it also has stealth. So will the UCAVs the Chinese are making.

Chinese have developed a robust Air defense arsenal, they are making area defense destroyers, guess what they are already taking deliveries of S400 from Russians, and can buy more than India can afford.

Leave aside all this why have them within reach by sticking the neck in sand, and then take additional trouble of taking care of them in our vicinity than taking the war to them, they already are sitting in Tibet, thanks to this ostrich behavior and we can see the trouble they are giving there.

Why let them sit on our shores also ? and turn a blind eye to It ?

 

[aarav]

There is a reason why Shipping companies use Colombo for transshipment. What can Indian ports offer when Colombo situated so close to the international shipping lanes?

India is not competing with Colombo ,it will just switch all its traffic to these ports as a matter of policy ,it will save the nation from foreign exchange

Gwadar is shown, Chinese are constructing an airstrip in Maldives.

Chinese constructed the coco island airstrip, we later worked with Burmese on our relationship which was give and take situation once Myanmar started feeling pressure from Chinese supported insurgents.

As I said earlier unlike Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis are patriotic since they gave blood for their independence, and their relation ship with India has also improved in recent years, recently Chinese tried to bribe them for some high way project but the bribe was returned to Chinese embassy.

We had to work very hard with Myanmar and Bangladesh to curtail the Chinese in the region, hence we have to work hard with Sri Lanka, Maldives etc also, they look upto us can't just put the head in the sand and let the Chinese grab everything.

That air strip is new male civilian airport ,we are exaggerating pla navy capabilities to project power in indian ocean ,the P8i armed with harpoon missile and torpedos already take care of chinese submarines, the su-30 Brahmos will take care of surface ships and we are now not even talking about our vast surface ships fleet of newly inducted kolkata class destroyers ,shivalik class frigates and kamorta class ASW ships along with radar station in assumption island, Mauritius, lakshdweep, Andaman and Nicobar and put in the force multiplier ins vikramaditya aircraft carrier and soon to be inducted vikrant with 45 MiG 29 armed with anti ship kh-25 ,china can't project all its power here infront on india ,it still has a bigger fish to fry in south china sea and sea of japan against Japan and US

 

[nongaddarliberal]

The size of J-20 indicates standoff weapon capability, and it also has stealth. So will the UCAVs the Chinese are making.

Chinese have developed a robust Air defense arsenal, they are making area defense destroyers, guess what they are already taking deliveries of S400 from Russians, and can buy more than India can afford.

Leave aside all this why have them within reach by sticking the neck in sand, and then take additional trouble of taking care of them in our vicinity than taking the war to them, they already are sitting in Tibet, thanks to this ostrich behavior and we can see the trouble they are giving there.

Why let them sit on our shores also ? and turn a blind eye to It ?

I never said we should ignore chinese military buildups in our neighbourhood. If they start building radars and basing fighter jets and destroyers in BD, SL, Maldives etc, then we must give an ultimatum to these countries before the chinese put enough military assets there. But as far as economic activity is concerned, I dont care.

 

[Guest]

That air strip is new male civilian airport ,we are exaggerating pla navy capabilities to project power in indian ocean ,the P8i armed with harpoon missile and torpedos already take care of chinese submarines, the su-30 Brahmos will take care of surface ships and we are now not even talking about our vast surface ships fleet of newly inducted kolkata class destroyers ,shivalik class frigates and kamorta class ASW ships along with radar station in assumption island, Mauritius, lakshdweep, Andaman and Nicobar and put in the force multiplier ins vikramaditya aircraft carrier and soon to be inducted vikrant with 45 MiG 29 armed with anti ship kh-25 ,china can't project all its power here infront on india ,it still has a bigger fish to fry in south china sea and sea of japan against Japan and US

Currently all these airstrips are for civilian use including the Hambantota, But It didn't take much for the Chinese to put a SSBN at the port there.

PLA Naval capability is increasing at a rapid pace, in last 7 years they have made some ~50 corvettes and ~40 Frigates, they made an Aircraft carrier in record ~3 years. They are testing their carrier based AEW&C aircraft, recently there were reports of a J-20 being developed for maritime use.

The Air Craft carriers, and other large ships are not be used for operations against Japan and USA, they sit close to China and the Chinese have sufficient range bombers and missile to take care of them from the main land, they also have very large fleet of SSKs for that.

Their Air Craft carrier will find its use in Indian ocean, where their aircraft's cannot reach, and they have enough ships to take care of the Battle group and have much more left to take care of Japan and USA. The problem here is that India doesn't have any security agreement with Japan or USA. Which means they can sit for the right time till China finishes half of India and then gets exhausted, like USA did with Europe and Asia, they waited for half of the continent to get destroyed and them hit the Germans and the Japanese.

In the end, the victor there USA and Soviet shared the spoils in Europe and Asia, and effectively controlled the foreign policy, economy and Politics of the whole continents for ~50 years.

 

[Guest]

I never said we should ignore chinese military buildups in our neighbourhood. If they start building radars and basing fighter jets and destroyers in BD, SL, Maldives etc, then we must give an ultimatum to these countries before the chinese put enough military assets there. But as far as economic activity is concerned, I dont care.

Once the infrastructure is in place how long do you think It takes to put equipment on ground, they already put a SSBN at hambantota and we protested.

The problem is that once these countries get economically dependent they can't do much. The sale of Hambantota is like the sale of Hong Kong to UK its 99 years of lease.

 

[HeinzGud]

India is not competing with Colombo ,it will just switch all its traffic to these ports as a matter of policy ,it will save the nation from foreign exchange

It doesn't matter where will India switch their traffic to. All the major International shipping line would still dock at Colombo to unload their cargo so that India bound traffic could be diverted to their respective harbors.

 

[HeinzGud]

Dont worry yourself about India's military capabilities, "mate".

Well it is important to Sri Lanka's future as well. That is why I do worry about it.

 

[HeinzGud]

Once the infrastructure is in place how long do you think It takes to put equipment on ground, they already put a SSBN at hambantota and we protested.

The problem is that once these countries get economically dependent they can't do much. The sale of Hambantota is like the sale of Hong Kong to UK its 99 years of lease.

US carrier was also visited Colombo few months back. Why didn't India protest?

That SSBN fiasco was a utter sham. It was an unnecessary protest by the Indian side. Many warships from friendly nations dock at Sri Lankan ports all the time.

However in the end just look what happened. Indian got rid of Rajapakse and now his successor had sold the port entirely to China with additional 15,000 acres of land.

 

[sthf]

The more India antagonize Sri Lanka the more it will drift towards China until it practically becomes part of it.

Sri Lanka is the poster child of why that is a bad idea. You are paying through the nose for shit you don't own.

Threatening India with China would have made sense had both not shared a 4000 km land boundary. Whatever Sri Lanka has to offer ranges from miniscule to nothing. Don't fall for "strategic location" bullshit Pakis have been peddling for 70 years to themselves.

With a neighbor like India why should not we paranoid about it? Just take a look no country is happy with India in the neighborhood.

That is true for every large country out there not just India. Take your pick. China's neighbours are super pissed at them. The major difference between India & China in this particular realm is that apart from Pakistan none of India's neighbours have a strong military. Same cannot be said of China. This will prevent any monkey business for the foreseeable future.