p2prada
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Nope. This is a PESA for sure.I imagine this looks like an AESA to you?
The Chinese one you posted is AESA, albeit not a complete one. Perhaps a prototype.
Nope. This is a PESA for sure.I imagine this looks like an AESA to you?
Dunno why but I cannot see the pic.Maybe this sheds some light...
Looks like an AESA with interrogator antennas... but not. It is the first fighter PESA in the world.
Here is where China stands on engines... WS-10 rated unreliable due to oil leaks, blade cracking and under performing thrust. If you can't even fix a clone of a late 70s engine, what makes you think you are anywhere near 5th gen territory?
Yes, that's a PESA (sweetman argues its an Aesa too P2Prada). But then that equips the J10B, why would it be fitted onto the J20, with the MUCH MUCH larger randome?:Clearly a PESA radar...
The so called AESAs you keep talking about have huge interrogator antennas sticking out of them, not AESA.
So you're judging a frontline 5th gen fighter's composite materials composition by that of an initial production export fighter? Its called "next generation" for a reason. By that reasoning, the materials on a rafale are the same as one's found on a mirage 2000. Given that it is a known FACT that both the J15 and the J10B use a high degree of composite materials, why would the J20 lack them? Please bother to look things up before you say things like: "Guaranteed the J-15 uses the same materials as the J-11 aka Su-27SK reproduction "Because it is the only figure of a presently produced Chinese fighter on record. It points to the fact China does not widely use composites in its construction. Even Comac is using German composite manufacturers to make the C919 lighter which clearly points to a lack of technology in this department. Guaranteed the J-15 uses the same materials as the J-11 aka Su-27SK reproduction... which is hardly any like the JF-17.
So what? You're saying Carlo Kopp and the airpoweraustralia team are frauds? Did you even go through the article and view the miriads of photograohic proof? Face it, China has a WIDE array of precision guided munitions, including glide bombs and stand off weapons.Maybe you should look at it again: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-GBU.htmlNice mock-ups... show us a working bomb.
There are no production planes with WS-10. It is still in testing the same as those prototypes. That is the reason one of the J-20s uses AL-31Fs, in case they lose the unreliable WS-10 model.Why exactly would you use an " unreliable due to oil leaks, blade cracking and under performing thrust" engine on a priceless prototype suxh as the J2002? Or even start serial production of said unreliable engine? Why equip brand new production j11B's J11BS's and J15's with said l"leaky" engine? You story is just full of holes bro. I mean we'd expect to have seen the J2002 fall out of the sky, along with all J15's, J11B and J11BS's and the J10B's equiped with said engine if that was true. One more thing, the WS10A and G both produce 1000lbf more thrust than the AL31, your low thrust claim is baseless.
It has been touted as China's new AESA of which China don't have.Yes, that's a PESA. But then that equips the J10B, why would it be fitted onto the J20, with the MUCH MUCH larger randome?
Joke 20 will use the Zhuk-MS which is the same radar mounted in the mock-up...The J20 does NOT USE a Russian PESA. It will use a CHINESE AESA. Get your facts right.
The J-11B materials are the EXACT same used in the Su-27SK. Shenyang just converted the production line to clone the Flanker once they kicked Russia out. J-15 will be identical since it is the same fighter with minor alterations. China's knowledge of composites are rudimentary as seen in JF-17 and reliance on Germany for Comac composites. The evidence translates to all of China's aviation industry or they would be using more advanced methods throughout.So you're judging a frontline 5th gen fighter's composite materials composition by that of an initial production export fighter? Its called "next generation" for a reason. By that reasoning, the materials on a rafale are the same as one's found on a mirage 2000. Given that it is a known FACT that both the J15 and the J10B use a high degree of composite materials, why would the J20 lack them? Please bother to look things up before you say things like: "Guaranteed the J-15 uses the same materials as the J-11 aka Su-27SK reproduction "
Quite true. As I said before, Bill Sweetman of aviation week is adamant it's an Aesa. If that's not the PESA refferred to in the article then I dont know what is. Chinese defence devlopments are really annoying in their secrecy.Are you sure it is a PESA, because I am quite sure it is AESA?
The IFF dipoles are fine and definitely seems like a prototype to me. The Russia radar have the same dipoles embedded within the radar and perhaps the PAKFA AESA may also be similar to, say, the Bars or Irbis PESA versions. It is obviously and painfully clear that the Russian, European and American radars have embedded the dipoles inside while the Chinese ones are sticking out.
Why are you still arguing with a known troll? This is the same guy who claimed Ex-Varyag didnt have engines and J-20 was a mock up.So what? You're saying Carlo Kopp and the airpoweraustralia team are frauds? Did you even go through the article and view the miriads of photograohic proof? Face it, China has a WIDE array of precision guided munitions, including glide bombs and stand off weapons.Maybe you should look at it again: PLA Guided Bombs
PS: My personal favorite:
http://www.ausairpower.net/FT-4-GBU-Sat-Inertial-250-kg-Zhenguan-Studio-2S.jpg
Oh please! Not that discussion again:There are no production planes with WS-10. It is still in testing the same as those prototypes. That is the reason one of the J-20s uses AL-31Fs, in case they lose the unreliable WS-10 model
I'm bored with you now. Why would Millions of Yuan be expended developing AESA's and PESA's only to equip a brand new fighter with a bullshit russian PESA. And why my bitter friend would the stimulator to a brand new fighter be displayed in the middle of a fair? That's not a J20 stimulator.
*sigh* The JF17 focuses on LOW COST. Why would you use expensive composites on a low cost, $20 million export fighter?rofl: The J-11B materials are the EXACT same used in the Su-27SK. Shenyang just converted the production line to clone the Flanker once they kicked Russia out. J-15 will be identical since it is the same fighter with minor alterations. China's knowledge of composites are rudimentary as seen in JF-17 and reliance on Germany for Comac composites. The evidence translates to all of China's aviation industry or they would be using more advanced methods throughout.
Good, so someone else thinks it is an AESA too. That damn well is an AESA to me.Quite true. As I said before, Bill Sweetman of aviation week is adamant it's an Aesa. If that's not the PESA refferred to in the article then I dont know what is.
Production models will not be a big secret. Development models will remain so for all countries.Chinese defence devlopments are really annoying in their secrecy.
Can you explain what you meant by "UNABLE to succefully complete even one of them"?When even Pakistan has NOT taken delivery of J 10 A why are we even talking of J 20
This just shows how much more work has to be done by the Chinese
First let the J 10 B get ready
J 20 is very far away
China has infinite money but NOT infinite HUMAN resources
With so many projects J 10 ;J 11 ; J F17; J15 and J 20 they are UNABLE to succesfully complete
even one of them
Is the J 10 A ready to be SOLD to the outside worldCan you explain what you meant by "UNABLE to succefully complete even one of them"?
So by not complete even one of them, you mean export. Thanks for your definition.Is the J 10 A ready to be SOLD to the outside world
So Why is PAK waiting for J 10 B
IS JF 17 any good at all . Dont you know that how desperate the pakistanis are FOR BVRAAM s to
be fired from JF 17
And how desperately the pakistanis are waiting for upgraded Block 2 of JF 17 with a better radar
Hahahahaaaaaa! Its ridiculous how you always refer to a 6 year old picture of J11A's undergoing maintenance!!! I wasnt going to reply to your post but that was just tooo good to resist.Look at that, a dozen engineless J-11Bs sitting idle at SAC.
It looks like the Chinese too have caught the disease of DELUSION by being in the companySo by not complete even one of them, you mean export. Thanks for your definition.
Following your grand logic, F22 isnt ready either, cause the US have so far not exported any of them..
Trolling is fun.
Have a jolly good day!
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