Prahaar Short Range Tactical Missile System

[Kunal Biswas]

Continue posting ..

 

[arnabmit]

@Kunal Biswas

Could you please do a comparison study between:
1> MLRS and Pinaka MKII
2> ATACMS and Prahaar

... so that we can figure out the scope of posibilities of development?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I will do some detail work, and will make a separate thread on these topics ..

@Kunal Biswas

Could you please do a comparison study between:
1> MLRS and Pinaka MKII
2> ATACMS and Prahaar

... so that we can figure out the scope of posibilities of development?

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

prahar is a short ranged missile similar to american atacms.but we also need something to accompany/replace the 90km smerch.is there any effort to develop inexpensive rockets like smerch in 90-120km range?also do ofb produce local 122mm grad launcher which can be fittted atop tanks and fielded in large numbers like the chinese are doing?

 

[arnabmit]

prahar is a short ranged missile similar to american atacms.but we also need something to accompany/replace the 90km smerch.is there any effort to develop inexpensive rockets like smerch in 90-120km range?also do ofb produce local 122mm grad launcher which can be fittted atop tanks and fielded in large numbers like the chinese are doing?

Howitzers range <=40Km
Pinaka MkI is upto 40Km
Pinaka MkII is upto 60Km
Prahaar is from 50Km to 150Km
Prithwi is from 100Km to 350Km

So, there is overlap all the way. Why would we need MBRL/MLRS atop tank chassis?

 

[JBH22]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

Saddam's aside

Imo india is placing to much emphasis on ground attack instead of thousands of t90's. I wish
We bought more attack helicopters.

A bit of reality check consider our limited economic resources, ever lasting bureaucratic processes and then CBI finally closing in on already agreed deals

Having said that India cannot afford buying hundreds of helicopters, its far long way from Indian armed forces focusing on combined arms.

West (USA in particular) in any conflicts rely on their massive aerial superiority, we don't have this and Air defence is in tatters with obsolete hardware.

Tell you the truth the T-90 is the only "modern" thing in our arsenal, don't even think about obsolete T-72. PA has T-80UD complemented with upgraded T-55/T-62 derivatives.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Having MRLS on tracked vehicle is a good idea when in offensive units to keep up with Mech forces consist of MBT and APC/IFV..

Why would we need MBRL/MLRS atop tank chassis?

 

[arnabmit]

Like these?

[video=youtube_share;a_DxwZsjmf4]http://youtu.be/a_DxwZsjmf4[/video]

[video=youtube_share;cqfyz_Nc6NI]http://youtu.be/cqfyz_Nc6NI[/video]

But wouldn't reloading vehicles for these tanks be siting ducks in the frontline?

Having MRLS on tracked vehicle is a good idea when in offensive units to keep up with Mech forces consist of MBT and APC/IFV..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

There are field workshops and facilities where reloading and fueling take place, It wont be a sitting duck as there are other element protect it ..

For example tanks too have to reload and refuel at front lines from other vehicle so does SPGHs, And IFV ..

But wouldn't reloading vehicles for these tanks be siting ducks in the frontline?

 

[arnabmit]

But Tanks fire rounds one at a time over a long hunt kill mission, before it needs reloading, which makes it self-sustained for a pretty long period of time.

But Tracked MRLs would fire in volleys and exhaust its entire ammo within a minute and then have to run back to FOB to reload, else would have to be replenished on the fields by non-amored reloading vehicles, which is a risk.

So Tracked MRLs would either have to burn lots of fuel running back and forth with significantly reduced fronline presence time, of the supply line would have to be extended upto the frontline of an offensive force, with some armors reserved for protection of the supply line, thereby making the actual offensive force less lethal.

Isn't it?

There are field workshops and facilities where reloading and fueling take place, It wont be a sitting duck as there are other element protect it ..

For example tanks too have to reload and refuel at front lines from other vehicle so does SPGHs, And IFV ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

What you said is true, But again MRLS is a big punch and very effective in mass destruction of enemy ..

For example in real combat >>

MRLS M270

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A compilation of different MLRS units in combat action during Operation Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom. The primary unit represented is my own MLRS unit: A/40th Field Artillery, MLRS Deep Strike! Other units represented in this video include 1/27th FA MLRS, 1/158 FA MLRS Oklahoma National Guard, A/21st FA MLRS

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If such system are inducted it will enhance firepower of the offensive force, Again if inducted necessary steps will be taken to ensure that things runs smooth at high efficiency ..

If such system made then the best thing is to put Pinaka 2 on Arjun chassis...

But Tanks fire rounds one at a time over a long hunt kill mission, before it needs reloading, which makes it self-sustained for a pretty long period of time.

But Tracked MRLs would fire in volleys and exhaust its entire ammo within a minute and then have to run back to FOB to reload, else would have to be replenished on the fields by non-amored reloading vehicles, which is a risk.

So Tracked MRLs would either have to burn lots of fuel running back and forth with significantly reduced fronline presence time, of the supply line would have to be extended upto the frontline of an offensive force, with some armors reserved for protection of the supply line, thereby making the actual offensive force less lethal.

Isn't it?

 

[Shaitan]

export version

 

[Neil]

loved the truck camo.... vivid unlike past...

 

[kurup]

^^^ Another angle .

 

[rajsking]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

revisit the tests India conducted. Miniaturizing warheads was the aim of the tests. Indian TN bomb of 250kt yield weighs about 400kgs. Earlier Prithvi model was for a fission bomb of about 20kt but weighed 1Ton.

W58 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The W58 was 15.6 inches (400 mm) in diameter and 40.3 inches (1,020 mm) long, with a basic weight for the warhead of 257 pounds (117 kg). The yield was 200 kilotons. The W58 design entered service in 1964 and the last models were retired in 1982 with the last Polaris missiles

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In 1959, just 15 years after first nuclear strike - US launched its 6000t nuclear sub - USS George Washington , each carrying 16 Polaris missile. Each missile was capable of launching 3x200kt nukes from 4600km.
In around 2015 , 50 years after its first nuclear test - Indian will have its 6000t nuclear sub - INS arihant, each carrying just 4 K-15 missile. Each missile capable of launching ? x ???kt nukes from 3500km.

Don't know - If I should be proud of this achievement OR should worry that we are not even near to capabilities (in term of miniaturization of weapons and weapon launch systems) that US possess in late 1950s.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

1. We are third world Country ..
2. Our defense Budget is not even same of U.S of 1950s ..
3. Our System are design for our needs ..

Consider that an achievement ..

W58 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
.

In 1959, just 15 years after first nuclear strike - US launched its 6000t nuclear sub - USS George Washington , each carrying 16 Polaris missile. Each missile was capable of launching 3x200kt nukes from 4600km.
In around 2015 , 50 years after its first nuclear test - Indian will have its 6000t nuclear sub - INS arihant, each carrying just 4 K-15 missile. Each missile capable of launching ? x ???kt nukes from 3500km.

Don't know - If I should be proud of this achievement OR should worry that we are not even near to capabilities (in term of miniaturization of weapons and weapon launch systems) that US possess in late 1950s.

 

[Immanuel]

Wonder why no tests on this for a while now, I hope they are inducted in huge numbers. ideal replacement for Prithvi with with a lot more flexibility.

 

[praneetbajpaie]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

1. We are third world Country ..
2. Our defense Budget is not even same of U.S of 1950s ..
3. Our System are design for our needs ..

Consider that an achievement ..

That is our own fault.

 

[arnabmit]

Prahaar does not replace Prithvi. It bridges the gap between Prithvi & Pinaka.

Wonder why no tests on this for a while now, I hope they are inducted in huge numbers. ideal replacement for Prithvi with with a lot more flexibility.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its replacing Prithvi, Link and detail below >>

Seeking to enhance its precision strike capabilities, India is planning to replace its 150 km-range Prithvi ballistic missiles with the newly developed quick reaction Prahar missiles.

"We are withdrawing the tactical 150 km-range Prithvi missiles and will replace them with the Prahar missiles, which are more capable and have more accuracy," DRDO chief Avinash Chander told PTI here.

The tactical versions of the Prithvi missiles would be withdrawn from service and will be upgraded to be used for longer ranges, he said.

The DRDO Chief said after the withdrawal of the tactical ballistic missiles from service, there would be a gap in strike capabilities in the range of 100 to 150 km-range.

"The Prahar missile would be used to fill up that gap," he said.

Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO | Business Line

Prahaar does not replace Prithvi. It bridges the gap between Prithvi & Pinaka.