Possibility: Direct Air Strikes inside Pakistan against terror camps

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  1. Enquirer

    Enquirer Senior Member Senior Member

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    Dude! You're convoluting the issue more it already is in reality!

    My points are:
    - India will not want a full scale war; yet Pakistan must be punished for its aggression.
    - As such India could adopt an approach that will allow the punishment to be meted out, yet keep the risk of escalation to a full scale war to a minimum (like it did during the 'surgical strike' - where the target was jihadis alone)
    - Pakistan has plausible deniability for the use of tens of thousands of jihadis against India, because India gave it on a silver platter. India always needed an excuse not to go to war with Pakistan. So, even if it got battered and hundreds of thousands of Indians died (by Paki supported terrorism) India did not attack Pakistan claiming that the terrorists were not Paki army!
    - Once India overtly links the terrorists to Paki state (which just requires India to bring its head out of sand) and punishes the Paki state (and the world supports India's actions) then Pakistan loses the plausible deniability.
    - Coming to the attack options. Brahmos launch will make the operations surgical; keeping escalation factors to a minimal. (imagine if all para SF died during surgical strikes, then there would be greater impulse on Indian side to escalate)
    - Air strikes as the very first option has a high chance of putting both sides in an intractable escalation path.
    - Brahmos strike could also lead to escalation, but at least there's better chance of containment early on.

    At this time, we'll just have to wait and watch what India does. Traditional shelling on LOC probably won't satisfy the Indian conscience anymore. Short of putting the heads of Masoor Azad & Hafiz Saeed on a pike, India should at least destroy their brazen symbols - their head quarters.

    Pakis will have a choice either come to defend Jaish/Lashkar (who they claim don't exist or not connected to army) or ignore any thing happened on their land!
     
  2. Enquirer

    Enquirer Senior Member Senior Member

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    All Ind-Pak wars were fought in Kashmir mountains (48, 65, 71) & then the standoff in Siachen (20,000+ feet).

    To think that in the 90s, air force will only act if the battles were fought in the plains and deserts is ridiculous! That air force might need to support ground ops even in the mountains was plain obvious for 50+ years before Kargil. One can say that the technology didn't exist as an excuse - but delaying the acquisition decades after its availability is not!

    All said and done, IAF was in the process of acquiring LGB during the Kargill crisis. Some of the LGBs that IAF procured for testing purposes got employed in Kargil - on the job training!
     
  3. apoorv465

    apoorv465 Regular Member

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    What about arty attacks across the border, this has happened before,why can't it happen again?
     
  4. indus

    indus Living in Post Truth Senior Member

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    @Enquirer bhai there is no plausible deniability today. Govt like before did not ask for investigations, FIR, forensic team analysis to come to conclusion as to who was behind the attack. If there were any PD we would not have revoked MFN as its against Pak and not terrorists. PD is a thing of past. Lets stop using that term altogether.
     
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  5. Enquirer

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    That's what I am saying. Right now India's going bold. But all along, Pakistan enjoyed 'plausible deniability' because India facilitated it!
    Even after 26/11 Pakistan enjoyed full deniability - because India was too much of a wimp to nail Pakistan. Hafiz Saeed still roams free under the protection of paki army/ISI! If time and again pakis get away with doing something a certain way (punjab terrorism, Kashmir jihad, Mumbai attacks, 93 Mumbai bombings.... etc etc), then they would be a damned fool not to keep doing it again and again.

    India gets satisfied by BS declaration that 'Pak won't let anyone use their land for terror'
     
  6. Wisemarko

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    It is unlikely that any terror camp is operational as of today. After such terror strike they are deserted due to fear of retaliation. Revenge is the dish best served cold..
     
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  7. ashdoc

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    Don't we have Israeli precision guided missiles which are derivative of Popeye . They have range of 100 km and can be directed at terror camps from our side of LOC by fighter jets .
     
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  10. Craigs

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    Can't our Point Air Defense fighters take out subsonic cruise missiles? In WW2 RAF planes would fly alongside the doodlebugs and tip it over with their wing tips.

    We can understand the efficacy of subsonic cruise missiles against bombed out Iraq but even in Syria they are proving to be a consistent failure.
     
  11. Satybharat

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    phad do pakistan ka pichhwada....
     
  12. The Ultranationalist

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    The article is a speculative horseshit. The thing is paki air force will be running for cover if the IAF goes on offensive against them and cannot match the IAF capabilities. Pakis F16s will get missile hits before their radars could even see the Indian MKIs. Their chinese jf17s, mirage 3s and f7s are merely sitting ducks. The only threat that i can see for the IAF is from paki air defence systems. To take them out we need anti radiation missiles. And our own anti radiation missile programme is not mature enough and neither is operational i guess. I am not sure if we are operating such systems acquired from foreign vendors. Can someone throw some light on this?
     
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  13. HariPrasad-1

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    When he is giving his speech in Lahore mosque, it should be hit with Brahmas with CL 20 explosive and evaporate whole area. Lakhvi and Dawood's house should be hit in mid night with Brahmos. PA army bases should be hit in airstrike with a declaration that Terrorist camps are hit. If Porks escalates the matter, GHQ in pindi should be hit.
     
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  14. Sikhbrah

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    The issue with this sort of approach is they will start hitting us in Mumbai and Dehli.

    This are Paki Muslims you are talking about. To them life is expendable when it comes to fighting for Islam.

    I might be a minority in this forum now to still believe direct conventional warfare with Pakistan is not the need of the hour. We have much more to lose than that failed nation.

    We need to clean our house in Kashmir first. Remove 370, relocate Indians there, shoot terrorist sympathizers, kill the gilanis and etc.
     
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    Soon as they try to do it, wipe out Lahore, karachi and all Porkistan's Nuclear installation in one strike of 200 planes. Raze whole Punjabi Pakistan.
     
  16. Sikhbrah

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    The question then comes.

    What do they lose from this? Nothing, their country is already a failure.

    What will we lose? A bright vibrant future and almost all of economy. No foreign investor will invest in our country for then next few decades. People will be poor again.

    If a beggar and a rich man both rob each other - we know who will loose more. Conventional warfare with Pakistan is not worth it now.
     
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  17. Violent peaceful

    Violent peaceful Fuck the mods for not deleting my account . Senior Member

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    Historically it's always a beggar thief with nothing to lose (invaders Arabs,Mongols,etc) trying to steal from richest country(Bharat) with everything to lose ,it's like this if we are able to defend 100 times good but that one time we miss we are fucked, even after getting looted we never went across mountains of afghanistan because too much trouble and even after getting looted we were still way richer than goat lovers , If you look closely we are still stuck in same situation ,we are missing a strategy to deal with since a millennia.
    Only case reaction I know is mauryans brutal campaign against repeated Greek attacks ,and then they gave their daughter to mauryans and stopped.
     
  18. Sikhbrah

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    Our ancestors should have invaded Afghanistan and Iran back then when there was little repercussion.

    Historically we have never brought the war to our enemies home - there lies our biggest mistake.

    Attacking Pakistan and they attacking us back is once again bringing the war back home.

    Pakistan are not far away enemy forces - they are a zombified converted portion of us fighting in our homeland.
     
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    Violent peaceful Fuck the mods for not deleting my account . Senior Member

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    What we need is a deep state or atleast a well funded separate organisation with clear purpose of destruction of Pakistan with a large chunk of its population , and a broader goal of fight against ISLAM AND XTIANITY ,both Arabs and Vatican or other xtians have actively funded terrorist and seperatist activities ,what have we done . I have been saying this to fight the Abrahmic cults you need to actively convert them , conversion is a weapon even if you lose today ,your population grows ,that has been modus operandi of both xtianity and Islam ,Arabs were defeated twice in afghanistan by Hindu kings but slowly slowly they kept on increasing ,kept on attacking quite comparable to even today even after getting completely defeated by India porks keep attacking in smaller numbers . CONVERSION IS A WEAPON FOR PEACE OF TOMOROW , one Allah Hu Akbar or one god is great against pagan idol worshipping satanic kaafirrs is enough to incite violence in the heart of the people of the book.
    Look at the population of both muslims and xtians in the world .
    We have suffered a lot due to Mecca and Medina ,our temples and gurudwaras have been destroyed just kills me thinking not even once Kaaba is attacked ,courtesy of being located deep in desert.
     
  20. Defcon 1

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    Any missile defence system can be defeated even by subsonic missile if enough of them are used.

    My whole point is, missiles are offensive systems, why open yourself to attacks by them? On the other hand, PAF is a mostly defensive force. Limited airstrikes allow you to destroy enemy's most expensive equipment (f16) while simultaneously keeping the threshold low and allowing Pakistan to claim victory. Even if they aren't happy, they can't well use their mirages to try to strike india.

    A brahmos strike puts them in a very embarrassing position and opens us to retaliation.
     

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