Pastor plans to burn effigy of Prophet of Islam

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Pastor plans to burn effigy of Prophet of Islam


Look into India, a developing South Asian nation, where people of multiple religious faiths live in harmony. Even atheists are allowed to live in peace in this country, which already has attained the glorious goodwill being the truest secularist nation in the world. On the other hand, India enjoys a great status being a democratic nation for decades.

But, at the other side of the Atlantic, a pastor named Terry Jones, who runs a small church in Florida in United States, burned the Koran on April 9, 2011, stating "it was found "guilty" during a "trial" at his church."

See the video of the mock trial and burning of Koran here.

Jones said about 30 people attended the mock trial at his Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville. After a six-hour trial on Sunday that featured a Christian convert from Islam as a prosecuting attorney and a Dallas imam as a defense lawyer, a jury of 12 church members and volunteers made the judgment, Jones said.

He said the punishment — burning the book after it had been soaked in kerosene for an hour — was determined from four choices on his organization's Facebook page. He said "several hundred" were polled and voted for burning over shredding, drowning and facing a firing squad.

Jones has launched a new organization, Stand Up America, and plans to protest the Quran, Shariah law and "radical Islam," and has scheduled an April event in front of an Islamic center in Dearborn, Mich. Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, declined to comment at length about Jones' trial.

"Terry Jones had his 15 minutes of fame and we're not going to help him get another few minutes," he said.

Before I proceed with this article, I would like to draw the attention of my readers to a specific comment by Terry Jones, where he said, during this mock-trial the holy Koran was already soaked in kerosene, which very clearly tell everyone that the sole intention of this man was actually to burn Koran and simply stage the so-called mock trial to draw attention of media.

Following this much unwarranted incident of burning the holy Koran, a number of nations have strongly condemned the barbaric attitude of Terry Jones and demanded his trial. Gambian government demanded immediate execution of this man. In its statement, the Gambian government said: "We learnt with utter dismay, shocks and consternation of the burning of a copy of the Holy Quran by Terry Jones last month in the United States of America. This heinous act of infamy, bigotry and provocation we condemn in the strongest possible terms. Terry Jones has carried out his threat which is a declaration of War on Islam and Muslims, thereby endangering world peace and security as we the Muslim Worldwide cannot stand idly by and allow rabid dogs, bigots and dangerous infidels like Terry Jones and his collaborators to not only defame Islam, but desecrate our noble and the glorious Holy Quran for whatever reason."

The official statement further said, "It is interesting that he carried out this heinous act with impunity under the guise of freedom of expression etc. and even goes about to shamelessly say that the killing of the UN staff in Afghanistan; a consequence of his dastardly act, buttresses his devilish and dangerous views about Islam. The killing of the UN staff, innocent and decent international civil servants who have absolutely nothing to do with Terry Jones's acts of infamy thousands of kilometers away in the US; as heinous a crime as Terry Jones's actions, goes to vindicate Gambian government's position that dangerous criminals must never be entertained under the guise of any freedom, as they endanger lives of decent and innocent people by their crazy and evil fantasies."

The Gambian government asked "This begs the question, if Terry Jones was an Imam in the same USA who threatens to burn a copy of the Holy Bible because of his evil and dangerous misconceptions about Christianity and calls for a Jihad against Christians; would he have walked free from that platform and go about his business for about five months still protected by the same freedom of expression and eventually ends up carrying out his threat by burning a copy of the Holy Bible? The answer definitely is No. He would have been arrested on the spot and taken off the streets at best; and at worst, he would have been sent to Guantanamo Bay and locked up. Why is Terry Jones being treated differently from those Muslims that have similar views about Non Muslims and the West?"

Pakistani Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani condemned the burning of the Muslim holy book by Pastor Terry Jones.

Pakistan's Deputy Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar said that the act was reprehensible, and could only be the work of extremists, designed to provoke dissent and discord across the world.

"Such sacrilegious acts go against the very concept of inter-faith harmony," Khar said. "There could be no justification for such acts. This has deeply hurt the feelings of the people of Pakistan and Muslims all over the world."

US President Barack Obama characterized the Koran burning as "an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry" while calling the violent responses "dishonourable and deplorable." Members of Congress overwhelmingly blamed Jones:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Democrat of Nevada) said, he will "take a look" at introducing a resolution to condemn the Koran burning.

Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (Democrat of Illinois) held that "this pastor with his publicity stunt with the Koran unfortunately endangers the lives of our troops and the citizens of this country and a lot of innocent people."

Senator Lindsey Graham (Republican of South Carolina) expressed a wish to "find a way to hold [American] people accountable" and called free speech "a great idea, but we're in a war."

Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee Mike Rogers (Republican of Michigan) requested every American to "be thoughtful and mindful of each citizen's responsibility to do their part to make sure our soldiers come home safely."

While the US government, Senate and the Congress condemned the action of Terry Jones, it is observed that some of the religious fanatics in United States have expressed direct or indirect solidarity towards Pastor Terry Jones and are even trying to defend him, stating his actions were part of rights of expression.

Meanwhile, Terry Jones told reporters of receiving US$ 20,000 from various people, who supported and encouraged the burning of Koran. On the other hand, The church's membership had plummeted. So had its income, from selling furniture on eBay. The church's Internet service provider and insurance provider cancelled their services.

The conservative Fox News host Bill O' Reilly ripped into the Koran-burning Florida pastor who sparked deadly riots in Afghanistan, calling him an "insane Christian" who has "blood on his hands."

He said, Terry Jones "had to know fanatical Muslims would go crazy" when he oversaw the burning of the Islamic holy book on March 20.

The act ignited violent protests in Afghanistan, where an angry mob overran a United Nations mission in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif.

"Everyone involved in this story is disgusting," O'Reilly added, including the killers and Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who called for Jones arrest knowing it would whip up "dangerous feelings."

A former hotel manager, Jones, who worked as a missionary in Europe for 30 years, took over as head of the Dove World Outreach Center, a fundamentalist Christian church in Gainesville, Fla., in 1996. He is often seen on the church's 20-acre compound with a pistol strapped to his hip.

According to the Gainesville Sun, Alachua County officials revoked part of the church's tax-exempt status earlier this year, saying portions of the 20-acre campus are used in for-profit businesses. The property is valued at more than $1.6 million, but the 1,700-square-foot taxable portion is worth only $135,000, according to the Gainsville Sun.

The Florida pastor whose public torching of the Koran sparked violent Muslim protests in the Mideast told WND (World News Daily) Jerusalem Bureau Chief Aaron Klein that an effigy of Islam's Prophet Muhammad may be next. Pastor Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center of Gainesville, Fla., was speaking with Klein on the latter's "Aaron Klein Investigative Radio" on WABC 770 AM in New York City when the host asked if there was any truth to the rumor that Jones' church would put Muhammad "on trial," like it did with the Quran. He said, the trial against Muhammed will be held for 'his crime against humanity'.

Terry Jones said: "As far as judging Muhammad, it would take place in the same way. We would try to obtain experts on both sides of the bench, and if Muhammad was found innocent "¦ then we would issue a public apology to Islam, to the Quran, to the followers of Muhammad for our actions at insulting [them]. If he was found guilty, then we would do in the same manner as the Quran burning. We would offer probably four or five different forms of punishment, and then the form of punishment that the people voted upon, that would be the punishment that would be executed."

Klein asked what kind of "punishment" Jones had in mind.

"Probably they would be forms similar to International Judge the Quran Day," Jones said. "On that day we had four forms of punishment – they were burning, grounding, shredding and facing of a firing squad. We would probably pick some of those kinds of forms, and if Muhammad was found guilty "¦ we would put together some type of picture or some type of dummy figure to represent him, and then the execution would be done on that particular object we created."

Following the world-wide outrage on burning of Koran, now the Florida pastor is moving ahead with much dangerous plan to burn the dummy figures (effigy) of Prophet Mohammed. It is learnt from various blogs that Terry Jones is planning to hold another mock trial of Prophet Mohammed as well burn his effigy or shoot it during the month of Ramadan (month of fasting for the Muslims). It is well apprehended that, such trial and either burning or shooting the effigy or image of the prophet of Islam will lead to severe protest amongst the Muslim nations as well as Muslims in the West.
http://www.weeklyblitz.net/1381/pastor-plans-to-burn-effigy-of-prophet-of-islam
The US can do nothing to stop this type of mindless hatred since the Law does not prevent such activities.

Nonetheless, it adds to the tensions already around the world over the increase in terrorism all because of the increase in hatred of each other.

It will add to the problems the US military already has in Iraq and Afghanistan and hence is hardly doing any good to the US to increase the tensions through this mindless act or an act in the offing.

What will be the effect around the world if the effigy of Prophet Mohammed is burnt?

How will such an activity affect India's public life and social environment?

How can these type of chaps like this Pastor be restrained?
 

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The US can do nothing to stop this type of mindless hatred since the Law does not prevent such activities.

Nonetheless, it adds to the tensions already around the world over the increase in terrorism all because of the increase in hatred of each other.

It will add to the problems the US military already has in Iraq and Afghanistan and hence is hardly doing any good to the US to increase the tensions through this mindless act or an act in the offing.

What will be the effect around the world if the effigy of Prophet Mohammed is burnt?

How will such an activity affect India's public life and social environment?

How can these type of chaps like this Pastor be restrained?
Yes, nothing can be done legally if the Pastor burns the effigy. But I guess he will have to live with fear for his life after that.

This will have little effect on the public and social life in India. The Indian Christians will not be blamed for it, so no issues there. I guess there will be some flag burning though. Will be peaceful if protests are launched.

Such crazy chaps cannot be restrained no matter how hard you try. You can only hope they grow a brain soon before they get extinct.
 

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Does anyone in US have the guts to sue him for hurting religious sentiments ?????
 

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Is their any law in the US where action can be taken against those who foment religious discord?

Or a law that prevents Americans from putting their soldiers in harm's way?
 

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I think these people are just taking mis-advantage of narrow minded muslim followers in some part of world who go on rampage after such burning. More they protest, more the fun these pastors are having.

Only if these muslim followers show some matured reactions and learn to ignore such things, then it will stop automatically.
 

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Is their any law in the US where action can be taken against those who foment religious discord?

Or a law that prevents Americans from putting their soldiers in harm's way?
Right of free speech goes right through their head sir.

The Americans don't change their laws for trivial things even if it means death to some soldiers because this law will affect other people as well. No President will take away the Right to speech due to political reasons. If soldiers die, most people unrelated to the war tend to forget after a few days.

If commanders can claim getting gang raped was the victims fault then dead soldiers are a part and parcel of war. Only a yellow telegram will reach home to say how the soldiers died fighting valiantly.

However I guess the pastor will get a visit from some govt agent to silence his antics or even postpone his plan indefinitely.

It would be funny if Prophet Mohammad is judged "Not Guilty" this time. :p
 
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There are hate crime laws in USA but they are for people who have committed usually some kind of crime usually violence against other individual(s). There is really no law to prevent the act. What this Pastor will get from this is a mystery(except cheap notoriety) especially when USA is fighting 3 wars against islamic countries??? Much of the blame goes to the media for giving him so much coverage for doing something so deplorable.
 

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On the other hand

Eleven Muslim students pleaded not guilty on Friday to charges stemming from the disruption of a speech by the Israeli ambassador to the United States at a California university.
The students were arraigned in Orange County Superior Court on misdemeanor conspiracy to disturb a meeting and misdemeanor disturbance of a meeting.
The case has stoked an intense debate about freedom of speech, and defense lawyers are seeking to have the have Orange County district attorney, Tony Rackauckas, removed from the prosecution.
The students were arrested on Feb. 8, 2010, at the University of California, Irvine, after shouting in protest at the speech on U.S.-Israeli security. The interruptions forced Ambassador Michael Oren to halt his remarks for 20 minutes.
Seven of the defendants entered their pleas in person. Four other pleas were entered by defense attorneys.
Muslim and civil rights advocates accuse prosecutors of discriminating against students exercising their right to dissent, just as many other college-goers do without punishment. They also say prosecutors have shown bias against Muslims in their internal communications and want the state attorney general to take over the case.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...ZAPZEQ?docId=8b46935b61b84431993e3020b0dad2bb
 

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And because of Pastors like this chap, Sikhs are getting killed since it appears that the Americans have no idea of the world and its people!

I am sure even Sarah Palin would think that anyone with a beard is someone from Russia since she saw a photo of Rasputin while see looked out of her window and saw Russia!

And less said about Joe the Plumbers!!
 

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And because of Pastors like this chap, Sikhs are getting killed since it appears that the Americans have no idea of the world and its people!

I am sure even Sarah Palin would think that anyone with a beard is someone from Russia since she saw a photo of Rasputin while see looked out of her window and saw Russia!

And less said about Joe the Plumbers!!
Here is a recent Sikh being profiled because of his turban story.


"As our driver's license cards were returned to us, one of the police officials noted that a civilian had reported "two men of Middle Eastern appearance acting suspiciously" inside the Cannon Building.
It was at this moment that I realized we were being profiled and that what made us "suspicious" in the eyes of some misinformed bigot were our turbans. I clarified to the 3 officers that we are actually from South Asia;"

http://sikhcoalition.wordpress.com/...ts-…-and-got-profiled-by-capitol-hill-police/

And I will not even start on the whole birther issue.
 

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The US can do nothing to stop this type of mindless hatred since the Law does not prevent such activities.

Nonetheless, it adds to the tensions already around the world over the increase in terrorism all because of the increase in hatred of each other.

It will add to the problems the US military already has in Iraq and Afghanistan and hence is hardly doing any good to the US to increase the tensions through this mindless act or an act in the offing.

What will be the effect around the world if the effigy of Prophet Mohammed is burnt?

How will such an activity affect India's public life and social environment?

How can these type of chaps like this Pastor be restrained?

Ray.....You are asking all the wrong questions. ???
The question you should be asking is what makes any religion so great that it cannot be questioned or criticized or even berated in public.

The British philosopher Betrand Russell wrote the essay "Why I am not a Christian" in 1927. People in the UK were a lot more religious then, but even then no one was killed or attacked. Yes, it caused some heartache among the faithful but no one attacked Russell and there were no fatwas calling for Russell to be killed unlike Salman Rushdie.

If you are a believer in a certain faith and someone calls it "bullshit" ; why should that bother you.
Its your faith not his faith.

The Pastor's point is that Islam is a false fake religion. Its his point of view.
Why should any thinking Indian Muslim or any other Muslim be bother about what some small-town Florida Pastor thinks.
 

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Ray.....You are asking all the wrong questions. ???
The question you should be asking is what makes any religion so great that it cannot be questioned or criticized or even berated in public.

The British philosopher Betrand Russell wrote the essay "Why I am not a Christian" in 1927. People in the UK were a lot more religious then, but even then no one was killed or attacked. Yes, it caused some heartache among the faithful but no one attacked Russell and there were no fatwas calling for Russell to be killed unlike Salman Rushdie.

If you are a believer in a certain faith and someone calls it "bullshit" ; why should that bother you.
Its your faith not his faith.

The Pastor's point is that Islam is a false fake religion. Its his point of view.
Why should any thinking Indian Muslim or any other Muslim be bother about what some small-town Florida Pastor thinks.
This is because Islam has been given to human beings by god, so its perfect, while all other faiths are false. The great Islamic scholar "Zakir naik" throws some light on this issue:

Believers will not allow others to challenge what they believe is the "Absolute Truth", even if it means killing the disbelievers, since they are not innocent in the eyes of God. But the miscreant disbelievers won't give up so easily.
 
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What uneducated muslim protesters should be taught is "your burning flags, killing people thousands of miles away will not stop this pastor since you cant reach him or do anything about it other than ranting which gives the said pastor pleasure."
 

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Quran-burning pastor faces jury trial over plan to rally outside Michigan mosque

DEARBORN, Mich. — Florida pastor Terry Jones will face a jury trial Friday after a Dearborn judge sided with Wayne County prosecutors and Dearborn police who were trying to make him pay a bond in order to rally in Dearborn.

At a hearing Thursday, Judge Mark Somers gave Jones a choice: either pay a bond or face a jury trial on whether he must pay a bond.

Jones refused and will now face a trial, Somers ruled. By the end of the day, a jury of six plus one alternate was selected. The trial is scheduled to start Friday morning.

Jones told the court he was concerned the delay might prevent him from his attempt to rally at 5 p.m. Friday outside a mosque. He called the trial another way to deprive him of his rights.
After the hearing concluded, Jones spoke to a crush of reporters, saying he's concerned about "the radical element in Islam." As he spoke, a group of Muslims began yelling at him.

Leyla Abdul-Ghani yelled, "Shame on you. We are decent, hard-working people."

Samira Hider, who came with her family to protest Jones, shouted, "Have you read the Quran?"

Her son Mohamed, 10, held up a poster that read, "Don't burn the Quran. Terry Jones has to go."

Earlier, wearing a faded black leather jacket, Jones entered the courtroom with a crowd of media following.

He appeared in court along with the Rev. Wayne Sapp, who burned a Quran last month in Florida under Jones' supervision, setting off violent protests in the Muslim world. Jones intends to protest Friday at the Islamic Center of America, the biggest mosque in Dearborn.

Earlier, the ACLU of Michigan and others slammed local authorities for trying to deny Jones the right to protest outside the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn.

The ACLU said that authorities are denying Jones' Constitutional rights.

The government should "not impinge on a person's right to protest, even when their speech is as distasteful and offensive as Rev. Jones' is," said Rana Elmir, communications director for the Michigan ACLU. "We should combat hate speech with more speech. I disagree vehemently with Rev. Jones' message, but I believe wholeheartedly in his right to express himself."

Dearborn Police Chief Ron Haddad said that there are logistical and security problems to having Jones protest outside the Islamic Center of America, noting that he has received numerous death threats and has a $1.2 million bounty on his head from a Pakistan-based terrorist group. Moreover, the mosque is surrounded by several churches that have Good Friday services, making traffic an issue, he argued.

But Elmir said:

"We can't forget both religious freedom and the right to protest. The city of Dearborn should honor both of those rights equally."

Elmir said that Dearborn has had issues in previous cases of denying a person's right to protest.

She added that the ACLU is concerned about anti-Muslim hate speech and discrimination, but said that the solution is not censorship.

"The government cannot silence demonstrations in anticipation that their message will not be welcomed."

Majed Moughni, a Dearborn attorney, agrees that Jones has the right to protest. Moughni is not a fan of Jones, having burned him in effigy last year outside his Dearborn home because he had threatened to burn the Quran. Jones later oversaw the burning of a Quran last month.

But Moughni says it's wrong for the city and county to try to hinder Jones' rights. Moughni added that this is turning Jones into a hero.

"Instead of him being the bad guy, now he's the hero," Moughni said. "They've turned him into a hero of the First Amendment."

"The prosecutors should withdraw their demands and let him speak as he wishes, which is his right under the Constitution."

Moughni said that even though he burned Jones in effigy last year, he now stands with Jones.

Michael Steinberg, legal director with the ACLU Michigan, said that the government's actions in this case are unconstitutional.

"In a free society, the government can't place a price on a person's ability to speak," Steinberg said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-terry-jones-mosque-protest-201104220110421,0,6062421.story
 

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this moron of a pastor must realise that anymore koran burning will jeopardise the lives of US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.I always that India only had these type of morons
 

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this moron of a pastor must realise that anymore koran burning will jeopardise the lives of US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.I always that India only had these type of morons
This might backfire on indians in afghan as well. These radicals do not discriminate between kafirs.
 

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So what's the stated objective of the Pastor to do all this? Some publicity and funds for his church?
 

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this moron of a pastor must realise that anymore koran burning will jeopardize the lives of US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.I always that India only had these type of morons
Pastor Jones is a few fries short of a happy meal. Yes, his actions can jeopardize the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. The only reason why Jones burns Korans is because he knows it will get a violent response from the Muslim community.

Although Jones knows he has the right to free speech under the constitution, he does not have the right to incite a riot. The courts want Jones to post a $100,000 peace bond before he has his demonstration. The money will be used to cover the cost of overtime and any arrest that will take place. If the pastor makes threats or incites violence than he will lose $100,000 bucks.

I'm waiting for the jury's verdict, it should be interesting!
 
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This is because Islam has been given to human beings by god, so its perfect, while all other faiths are false.
Almost every faith has that view on non-believers, Hinduism included.

So what's the stated objective of the Pastor to do all this? Some publicity and funds for his church?
Nobel Prize for excellence in trolling.
 

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This guy has a good point, what is the diffrence between deleting the Quran from your hard disk and burning it?


I frankly think as long as people dont bother each others way of life there is no point in disturbing them but if people do disturb then they are bound to get disturbed.
 
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