If usa put pressure on us to hold talks with pakistan and sign treaty,why our netas are not objecting or putting pressure on usa to cut aid or put vigorous check pakistan as usa is indirectly attacking india by arming unstable pakistan to core at free cost.Will our netas take this issue serious and use this as oppurtunity to stop advanced weapon flow to pakistan?
Pak's illegally modified missiles a new threat for India: Report
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have they done anything in the last 8 years??so expect the same.
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We can only do so much to stop the flow of advanced weapons to Pakistan. But you have to remember that even India is procuring advanced weapons and in much larger numbers than Pakistan. So, don't worry too much about it.
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So you dont want F18 Superhornets or P8s, u want 1st generation F16s and sailboats??? Come on be realistic! Pakistan will never be offered Good weapons like F18s, even their Block 52 F16s are blocked! Its for this exact cause that Pakistanis make fun of us for whining!!!
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Doesn't matter if they are getting for free or not. As Ahmed pointed out, they will not be offered more advanced weapons than us. We will definitely have qualitative and quantitative edge over Pakistanis and it will keep on increasing as the economic clout of India keeps on increasing. In fact, India has been bleeding Pakistan economically by pushing it into arms race. In the quest of matching India weapon for weapon Pakistan has neglected many of its key sectors like education, infrastructure, economy etc and they are reaping the benefits of it now as it finds itself in a hell hole. It has very high security problem (not even one days goes by without a suicide attack), foreign investors are driven away because of security problem, they are living on begging from WB, IMF and AIDs from other countries and they have a power problem leading to economic losses to their industries. As you can see, things are different than what you see.
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Pakistan rejects illegal missile modification charges
Islamabad: Pakistan has ‘categorically’ rejected allegations that it has illegally modified US missiles to enhance its land strike capability.
“No modification has been made to the missiles under reference,” Foreign Office spokesman, Abdul Basit said.
Basit said the accusations being made were a part of conspiracy to malign the image of Pakistan and its armed forces internationally.
According to The New York Times, top US administration and Congressional officials believe that Islamabad has illegally modified American-made missiles to expand its capability to strike land targets, a potential threat to India.
Officials alleged that Pakistan has customised conventional Harpoon anti-ship missiles, which were provided to it by the Reagan administration as a defensive weapon in the cold war era.
“There’s a concerted effort to get these guys to slow down. Their energies are misdirected,” said one senior administration official.
Meanwhile, Pakistan’s envoy to the US, Hussain Haqqani, has also denied the allegations.
“The accusations are incorrect and based on wrong intelligence,” The Daily Times quoted Haqqani, as saying.
Islamabad: Pakistan has ‘categorically’ rejected allegations that it has illegally modified US missiles to enhance its land strike capability.
“No modification has been made to the missiles under reference,” Foreign Office spokesman, Abdul Basit said.
Basit said the accusations being made were a part of conspiracy to malign the image of Pakistan and its armed forces internationally.
According to The New York Times, top US administration and Congressional officials believe that Islamabad has illegally modified American-made missiles to expand its capability to strike land targets, a potential threat to India.
Officials alleged that Pakistan has customised conventional Harpoon anti-ship missiles, which were provided to it by the Reagan administration as a defensive weapon in the cold war era.
“There’s a concerted effort to get these guys to slow down. Their energies are misdirected,” said one senior administration official.
Meanwhile, Pakistan’s envoy to the US, Hussain Haqqani, has also denied the allegations.
“The accusations are incorrect and based on wrong intelligence,” The Daily Times quoted Haqqani, as saying.
Pakistani Technology Thieves Still At It
August 31, 2009: Pakistan has again been accused of stealing military technology. In this case, the U.S. accused Pakistan of modifying Harpoon anti-ship missiles (received in the late 1980s), to attack land targets. The 1,200 pound Harpoon has a 487 pound warhead and a range of 220 kilometers. It approaches the target low, at about 860 kilometers an hour. GPS gets the missile to the general vicinity of the target, then radar takes over to identify and hit the target. The Harpoon has successful combat experience going back two decades. Most Indian warships (corvettes and frigates) are small enough to be destroyed by one Harpoon. The modified Harpoons can hit land targets like air defense radars or headquarters.
Meanwhile, Pakistan developed its own cruise missile (Barbur), which was apparently a copy of the Tomahawk (several of which had crashed on Pakistani territory during a 1998 American attack on Taliban camps in Afghanistan.) The Barbur was first tested in 2005.
The Tomahawk was not terribly high tech, and easy for the Pakistanis to copy. GPS made it easier to replace the earlier (and only high tech aspect of the missile) terrain following guidance system. Barbur is a 1.5 ton, 22 foot long missile has a range of 500 kilometers. It appears to carry a 500 pound warhead, and the Pakistanis are working on a nuclear weapon that would fit in Barbur.
In the past, Pakistan has illegally passed F-16 technology on to China, and stole much of its nuclear fuel technology from European firms that Pakistani engineers work for. The first known computer virus, the "Brain Virus" was written by Pakistani programmers in 1986. "Brain" was created to help protect software a Pakistani firm was selling, but was being widely pirated by potential buyers in Pakistan. Alas, the Brain Virus got out of control, and the rest is history.
This pattern of theft is a product of Pakistani culture, which is one of the most corrupt in the region. The corruption has crippled the Pakistani economy, and all the technology theft can't make up for that. Pakistan denies all the theft allegations, but what else would they do?
Procurement: Pakistani Technology Thieves Still At It
August 31, 2009: Pakistan has again been accused of stealing military technology. In this case, the U.S. accused Pakistan of modifying Harpoon anti-ship missiles (received in the late 1980s), to attack land targets. The 1,200 pound Harpoon has a 487 pound warhead and a range of 220 kilometers. It approaches the target low, at about 860 kilometers an hour. GPS gets the missile to the general vicinity of the target, then radar takes over to identify and hit the target. The Harpoon has successful combat experience going back two decades. Most Indian warships (corvettes and frigates) are small enough to be destroyed by one Harpoon. The modified Harpoons can hit land targets like air defense radars or headquarters.
Meanwhile, Pakistan developed its own cruise missile (Barbur), which was apparently a copy of the Tomahawk (several of which had crashed on Pakistani territory during a 1998 American attack on Taliban camps in Afghanistan.) The Barbur was first tested in 2005.
The Tomahawk was not terribly high tech, and easy for the Pakistanis to copy. GPS made it easier to replace the earlier (and only high tech aspect of the missile) terrain following guidance system. Barbur is a 1.5 ton, 22 foot long missile has a range of 500 kilometers. It appears to carry a 500 pound warhead, and the Pakistanis are working on a nuclear weapon that would fit in Barbur.
In the past, Pakistan has illegally passed F-16 technology on to China, and stole much of its nuclear fuel technology from European firms that Pakistani engineers work for. The first known computer virus, the "Brain Virus" was written by Pakistani programmers in 1986. "Brain" was created to help protect software a Pakistani firm was selling, but was being widely pirated by potential buyers in Pakistan. Alas, the Brain Virus got out of control, and the rest is history.
This pattern of theft is a product of Pakistani culture, which is one of the most corrupt in the region. The corruption has crippled the Pakistani economy, and all the technology theft can't make up for that. Pakistan denies all the theft allegations, but what else would they do?
Procurement: Pakistani Technology Thieves Still At It
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Natrajaji have you seen LM preparing aspecific variant Of the F-16 for the PAF
or for that matter the have they offered the P-8 the US defense firms are not dying to get a contract with the Pakistanis all is spoon feed and all yankee stuff in pakistani hands are guarded by the yankees themself take a look what all was offered to India and what is been offered
lets start from the F-104 shall we
it was there in our first supersonic fighter compitions
the reson for faliure: the political climate
the A-4 skyhawk
again the reson for faliure the political climate
the F-20 tigershark
this time it was two :- 1 political and finacial
and now what has been offered to us shall we see
the C-130J- the latest
The F-18IN- a specific variant can be convereted to the Growler if we so wish
the F-16IN - The so called Super viper specficly desinged for India like the I variant for israle
the AH-46D Apache Longbow BlkIII :- not yet offered to any one
the F-35 lighting II if we choose this (which we wont) we will be only the second nation in Asia after the IAF to operate the type
or for that matter the have they offered the P-8 the US defense firms are not dying to get a contract with the Pakistanis all is spoon feed and all yankee stuff in pakistani hands are guarded by the yankees themself take a look what all was offered to India and what is been offered
lets start from the F-104 shall we
it was there in our first supersonic fighter compitions
the reson for faliure: the political climate
the A-4 skyhawk
again the reson for faliure the political climate
the F-20 tigershark
this time it was two :- 1 political and finacial
and now what has been offered to us shall we see
the C-130J- the latest
The F-18IN- a specific variant can be convereted to the Growler if we so wish
the F-16IN - The so called Super viper specficly desinged for India like the I variant for israle
the AH-46D Apache Longbow BlkIII :- not yet offered to any one
the F-35 lighting II if we choose this (which we wont) we will be only the second nation in Asia after the IAF to operate the type
I seriously don't understand what you're all whining about. Pakistan's missile inventory has several different types of missiles, which can reach almost every corner of your country and yet some of you are scared by this small development? There's the Ghauri & Shaheen series, along with the Babur cruise missiles, Pakistan doesn't need to waste time on aeging & rotting Harpoons when our arsenal is already big enough.
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Faruqi has a point I feel, many of you in here are talking as if Pakistan has just tested an ICBM (As if that will again have a bearing on India). Pakistan has Missiles which can hit India, and these Harpoons are not much use. Firstly their ships gotta come near our shores to fire it, and then again, its not like IN aviation arm and our naval ships are sleeping away to glory!!!
We got better things to worry off!
We got better things to worry off!
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when did Pakistan test ICBM?. If you are talking about the news reports in daily.pk or some two time pakistani news outlet, then I think its not authentic. ICBM test will catch the world attention than anything else.
Yes, Faruqi has a point. No point cribbing over harpoon missiles. I really doubt if ever they modified it in the first place, even if modified, I don't see many benefits to it for land attack purpose from a ship.
Yes, Faruqi has a point. No point cribbing over harpoon missiles. I really doubt if ever they modified it in the first place, even if modified, I don't see many benefits to it for land attack purpose from a ship.
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Read again DD, I was saying, dont act like Pak just tested an ICBM, i didnt say they tested
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My mistake, read too fastRead again DD, I was saying, dont act like Pak just tested an ICBM, i didnt say they tested
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One thing I don't understand, why cannot US simply evoke end user agreement that it had inked while selling all this harpoons to Pakistan. Since, they are now more or less convince that, Pakistan has really done some duplication work with Harpoons, then what is stoping US to take some stern action rather then simply creating news which will create little impact on Pakistan's divisive process.
Key point here is to note that, Pakistan seems to be in a dire need to covert whatever in its arsenal to create much greater impact against India. As far as, Pakistan's scientific prowess, Technological infrastructure and Mangament is concerned, it is highly unlikely that they can themselves undertake any of such alteration on their own. Under such cirumstances, we will surely point fingers at China which is considered as a master of reverse engineering. But at the same time, Indian Intelligence agencies need to find out all those nations who are supporting Pakistan to take such a drastic measures of touching US made weapons which are highly difficult as far as compliance to end user agreement is concerned. Somebody is there behind Pakistan who is ensuring full support in case US sanction Pak for such duplication process, because Pak's itself neither have a ball or stomach to take such a work upon by themselves.
Key point here is to note that, Pakistan seems to be in a dire need to covert whatever in its arsenal to create much greater impact against India. As far as, Pakistan's scientific prowess, Technological infrastructure and Mangament is concerned, it is highly unlikely that they can themselves undertake any of such alteration on their own. Under such cirumstances, we will surely point fingers at China which is considered as a master of reverse engineering. But at the same time, Indian Intelligence agencies need to find out all those nations who are supporting Pakistan to take such a drastic measures of touching US made weapons which are highly difficult as far as compliance to end user agreement is concerned. Somebody is there behind Pakistan who is ensuring full support in case US sanction Pak for such duplication process, because Pak's itself neither have a ball or stomach to take such a work upon by themselves.
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The Pakistanis know quite well that US will not do anything as they are the only access route to resupply NATO troops. This gives them the boldness to do these kind of things. As soon as America and the NATO pulls out from Afghanistan then Pakistan will be in deep trouble. They want to make use of the existing situation to the full. As soon as NATO pulls out of Afghanistan get ready for a war with India. Because all the times Pakistan attacks India to divert the people's attention towards the internal turmoil. It is hate of India that binds the lower class Pakistanis together. So this will be used. If the top echelons of Pakistan arent greedy and are sane enough to protect their country they wont do it.
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US pressures Pak to prove missile fraud- TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos
After rejecting the US government’s allegations that it illegally modified American-made missiles, Pakistan has now said that it is ready to conduct any investigation on its part into the matter.
Pakistan's claim comes after increasing US pressure for a joint probe into the alleged modification of Harpoon missiles.
Earlier, a report in the New York Times said that the Obama administration had made a diplomatic protest to Pakistan's prime minister Yousuf Raza Gilani over the alleged alterations to the anti-ship missiles Islamabad bought in the 1980s thus making them capable of hitting land based targets and posing a threat to India.
Pakistan has now rejected US government claims that it illegally modified American-made missiles and said the accusations were part of a campaign to "malign it” and its armed forces.
The denial was in response to a news report that the Obama administration made a diplomatic protest to Pakistan's prime minister over the alleged alterations to the anti-ship missiles Islamabad bought in the 1980s thus making them capable of hitting land based targets and posing a huge threat to India.
A statement from Pakistan's Foreign Ministry said that it "categorically rejected" the article in The New York Times and that there were no modifications made to the missiles under reference.
The US has sold a total of 165 Harpoon missiles to Pakistan. The missiles were provided to Pakistan by the US administration as a defensive weapon in the Cold War era.
After rejecting the US government’s allegations that it illegally modified American-made missiles, Pakistan has now said that it is ready to conduct any investigation on its part into the matter.
Pakistan's claim comes after increasing US pressure for a joint probe into the alleged modification of Harpoon missiles.
Earlier, a report in the New York Times said that the Obama administration had made a diplomatic protest to Pakistan's prime minister Yousuf Raza Gilani over the alleged alterations to the anti-ship missiles Islamabad bought in the 1980s thus making them capable of hitting land based targets and posing a threat to India.
Pakistan has now rejected US government claims that it illegally modified American-made missiles and said the accusations were part of a campaign to "malign it” and its armed forces.
The denial was in response to a news report that the Obama administration made a diplomatic protest to Pakistan's prime minister over the alleged alterations to the anti-ship missiles Islamabad bought in the 1980s thus making them capable of hitting land based targets and posing a huge threat to India.
A statement from Pakistan's Foreign Ministry said that it "categorically rejected" the article in The New York Times and that there were no modifications made to the missiles under reference.
The US has sold a total of 165 Harpoon missiles to Pakistan. The missiles were provided to Pakistan by the US administration as a defensive weapon in the Cold War era.
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India wary as Pakistan pushes for lend-lease plan for arms with US - India - NEWS - The Times of India
Can Pakistan persuade the US to revive its famous World War II "lend-lease" programme to assist Pakistan's army access sophisticated
weaponry?
According to sources, the beleaguered Pakistan president Asif Zardari is looking for ways to make himself more attractive to an increasingly hostile and powerful army, which he apparently believes is out to oust him from his position.
India has alerted the US to a move by Zardari's business cronies and some lobbyists to ask the Pentagon to sanction a unique "lend-lease" facility for military equipment for Pakistan army. This would be quite apart from the counter-insurgency equipment that the US already gives to Pakistan, which includes helicopters, night vision goggles etc.
In the backdrop of recent US reports that Pakistan is diverting US military aid to target India, the new attempts are significant, sources said.
The last time the US did a "lend-lease" programme, it was World War II and it supplied the UK, China, France and even Soviet Union with "war materials" between 1941 and 1945. The UK repaid the last of its debts on this score only by 2006.
For a US willing to "reward" Pakistan for a good job done, this could be tempting. If the US agrees — though there are no signs yet that it might — it would be unprecedented, said diplomatic sources, monitoring developments between US and Pakistan, but India would have serious concerns.
India has asked the US to monitor military aid to Pakistan, particularly since Pakistan has used US counter-terror aid to buy conventional military equipment against India.
Between 2002 and 2008, these include P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, about 5,250 TOW anti-armour missiles, six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars, six C-130E transport aircraft and 20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters, as well as F-16 armaments including AMRAAM air-to-air missiles and 2,000-pound bombs, Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, among other things.
The reason for the new arms wishlist from the US is rooted in the grime of Pakistani domestic politics. For the past few months, there appears to have been a campaign to cut out Zardari from the Pakistani political scene. PPP politicians have gone on record to express fears of a "minus-one" policy being worked out — to remove Zardari from office by focusing on his corrupt ways and and endemic corruption in the government.
Fauzia Wahab, Zardari's aide and PPP spokesperson, was quoted as saying, "The objective behind the campaign, launched by different elements, political and others, is to target and malign one man to get him dislodged... It was after our in-house, in-depth discussions, participated in by the President, that we reached a consensus that a premeditated move was underway to manage the exit of Zardari," she said.
While the political party has officially rallied around the president, and prime minister Gilani too appears to have resisted temptation, the move has prompted Zardari to look at options to make himself more attractive to the army.
And presumably the best way of feeding the beast is by being a facilitator for arms supplies from Pakistan's most willing supplier, the US. Helped by his lobbyists and business cronies in the US, Zardari, said sources in Washington, is planning to ask Washington to "lend" sophisticated military equipment. The only intended target is India.
Can Pakistan persuade the US to revive its famous World War II "lend-lease" programme to assist Pakistan's army access sophisticated
weaponry?
According to sources, the beleaguered Pakistan president Asif Zardari is looking for ways to make himself more attractive to an increasingly hostile and powerful army, which he apparently believes is out to oust him from his position.
India has alerted the US to a move by Zardari's business cronies and some lobbyists to ask the Pentagon to sanction a unique "lend-lease" facility for military equipment for Pakistan army. This would be quite apart from the counter-insurgency equipment that the US already gives to Pakistan, which includes helicopters, night vision goggles etc.
In the backdrop of recent US reports that Pakistan is diverting US military aid to target India, the new attempts are significant, sources said.
The last time the US did a "lend-lease" programme, it was World War II and it supplied the UK, China, France and even Soviet Union with "war materials" between 1941 and 1945. The UK repaid the last of its debts on this score only by 2006.
For a US willing to "reward" Pakistan for a good job done, this could be tempting. If the US agrees — though there are no signs yet that it might — it would be unprecedented, said diplomatic sources, monitoring developments between US and Pakistan, but India would have serious concerns.
India has asked the US to monitor military aid to Pakistan, particularly since Pakistan has used US counter-terror aid to buy conventional military equipment against India.
Between 2002 and 2008, these include P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, about 5,250 TOW anti-armour missiles, six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars, six C-130E transport aircraft and 20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters, as well as F-16 armaments including AMRAAM air-to-air missiles and 2,000-pound bombs, Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, among other things.
The reason for the new arms wishlist from the US is rooted in the grime of Pakistani domestic politics. For the past few months, there appears to have been a campaign to cut out Zardari from the Pakistani political scene. PPP politicians have gone on record to express fears of a "minus-one" policy being worked out — to remove Zardari from office by focusing on his corrupt ways and and endemic corruption in the government.
Fauzia Wahab, Zardari's aide and PPP spokesperson, was quoted as saying, "The objective behind the campaign, launched by different elements, political and others, is to target and malign one man to get him dislodged... It was after our in-house, in-depth discussions, participated in by the President, that we reached a consensus that a premeditated move was underway to manage the exit of Zardari," she said.
While the political party has officially rallied around the president, and prime minister Gilani too appears to have resisted temptation, the move has prompted Zardari to look at options to make himself more attractive to the army.
And presumably the best way of feeding the beast is by being a facilitator for arms supplies from Pakistan's most willing supplier, the US. Helped by his lobbyists and business cronies in the US, Zardari, said sources in Washington, is planning to ask Washington to "lend" sophisticated military equipment. The only intended target is India.
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Pakistan fears India more than militants- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times
Pakistan’s illegal modification of the Harpoon missile has validated New Delhi’s assertions that Islamabad’s focus continues to be on
India and not on dismantling the terror infrastructure.
Sources said the government has taken note of the New York Times report that detailed how the US had lodged a protest with Pakistan in June for altering the US-supplied Harpoon missiles to target land-based targets in what is largely seen as a threat to India. “We will take necessary steps,” sources added. India has continued to flag the continuous threat of Islamabad diverting military and non-military aid to build up its arsenal against India. This latest episode had only added weight to India’s position that Islamabad focus is not on the terror threat within its border, but on India.
Though the matter has increased concerns about Islamabad’s growing arsenal, Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma said the forces were equipped to counter any threat. Admiral Verma, who took over as Navy chief on Monday, said the Navy’s endeavour would be to ensure nobody came within the striking distance of India and launch such missiles. “Our endeavour is to ensure that nobody comes within a (striking) distance and launches such missiles.”
Admiral Sureesh Mehta, who handed over charge to the new navy chief, said India had been pointing to the “danger of proliferation” on several occasions. “This has nothing to do with (Pakistan’s) self-defence and it is against Indian interest,” Admiral Mehta said after handing over his responsibilities to the new Navy chief. He, however, said: “Harpoon cannot be changed too much and Pakistan will need some time to do the alteration on the missile to strike land targets.”
Nevertheless, New Delhi is worried by reports of Islamabad building up its nuclear arsenal and developing new generations of conventional and nuclear weapons. The government is also getting increasingly frustrated with Pakistan’s failure to take any meaningful steps against the terror groups that are targeting India and those behind the Mumbai terror attacks
Pakistan’s illegal modification of the Harpoon missile has validated New Delhi’s assertions that Islamabad’s focus continues to be on
India and not on dismantling the terror infrastructure.
Sources said the government has taken note of the New York Times report that detailed how the US had lodged a protest with Pakistan in June for altering the US-supplied Harpoon missiles to target land-based targets in what is largely seen as a threat to India. “We will take necessary steps,” sources added. India has continued to flag the continuous threat of Islamabad diverting military and non-military aid to build up its arsenal against India. This latest episode had only added weight to India’s position that Islamabad focus is not on the terror threat within its border, but on India.
Though the matter has increased concerns about Islamabad’s growing arsenal, Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma said the forces were equipped to counter any threat. Admiral Verma, who took over as Navy chief on Monday, said the Navy’s endeavour would be to ensure nobody came within the striking distance of India and launch such missiles. “Our endeavour is to ensure that nobody comes within a (striking) distance and launches such missiles.”
Admiral Sureesh Mehta, who handed over charge to the new navy chief, said India had been pointing to the “danger of proliferation” on several occasions. “This has nothing to do with (Pakistan’s) self-defence and it is against Indian interest,” Admiral Mehta said after handing over his responsibilities to the new Navy chief. He, however, said: “Harpoon cannot be changed too much and Pakistan will need some time to do the alteration on the missile to strike land targets.”
Nevertheless, New Delhi is worried by reports of Islamabad building up its nuclear arsenal and developing new generations of conventional and nuclear weapons. The government is also getting increasingly frustrated with Pakistan’s failure to take any meaningful steps against the terror groups that are targeting India and those behind the Mumbai terror attacks
