Pakistan’s terror bill: $118 billion spent in last 15 years

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    Pakistan’s terror bill: $118 billion spent in last 15 years


    As Prime Minister Narendra Modi criticised Pakistan–without naming the country–for supporting terror groups, 671 infiltration incidents and 738 terrorist attacks were reported in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) over the last three years, according to a government reply to parliament on July 19, 2016.


    As many as 141 terrorists and 64 civilians were killed across the state between 2013 and July 10, 2016, the reply said.

    As many as 23,061 terrorists, 1,431 civilians and 6,220 security personnel have died in J&K over 28 years to August 7, 2016, according to the South Asia Terrorism Portal.


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    About 34,000 AK-47 rifles, 5000 grenade launchers, 90 light machine guns, 12,000 revolvers, three anti-tank guns, four anti-aircraft guns, 350 missile launchers and 63,000 kg of explosives, including RDX and more than 100,000 grenades were seized by security forces from terrorists in J&K over the last 25 years, Modi said on August 12, 2016, at an all-party meeting on J&K.


    “During this period, more than 5,000 foreign terrorists were killed, which is almost equal to the strength of 5 Battalions,” said Modi.

    Terrorism has cost Pakistan $118 billion over the last 15 years in direct and indirect costs, according to Pakistan’s Economic Survey 2015-16.


    Pakistan forgets that it bombs its own citizens using fighter planes. The time has come when Pakistan shall have to answer to the world for the atrocities committed by it against people in Baluchistan and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir,” Modi said on August 12, 2016.

    As many as 351 incidents of violence were reported against minorities in Pakistan between 2012 and 2015, according to the 2016 report State Of Religious Freedom In Pakistan by Jinnah Institute, a public policy advocacy in Pakistan.

    “Sindh and Balochistan, in particular, witnessed persistent targeted killings and bomb attacks against members of the Shia community. In Balochistan, anti-Shia messaging in public spaces and in the press continued with impunity,” the report said.

    People in Balochistan had thanked him for standing by them, according to Modi.

    In 2015, 247 civilians were killed in Balochistan, of which 114 were attributed to militant outfits and 143 were considered the work of the state apparatus and its surrogates, according to South Asia Terrorism Portal.


    Since 2004, till April 17, 2016, at least 922 civilian killings were reported by militant outfits. In addition, 463 people went missing and 157 bodies were found mutilated in Balochistan in 2015.


    http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...st-15-years/story-JZ4SjivBKrcCVmFxgVDZNJ.html
     
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    24 Crore Pumped In To Keep Kashmir On The Boil: Government Sources

    New Delhi: As fresh clashes are reported between protesters and security forces in the Kashmir Valley, a top government official told NDTV that about 24 crore rupees have been poured into keeping the unrest seething in the last three weeks.

    The official, among those handling Kashmir affairs at the centre, alleged that much of the money from across the border has been routed to mid and senior-level functionaries of pro-Pakistan separatist groups operating in Kashmir like the Jammat e Islami and the Dukhtranan-e- Millat, headed by Asiya Andrabi.

    The government, sources said, does not expect the unrest to die down soon. "With the kind of money being pumped in it is unlikely that protests will die down. The youth of the valley are being paid to continue with protests and attacking security forces," top government sources said.
    The government says Pakistan has incited and facilitated the violent protests in Kashmir that began on July 8 when Hizbul Mujahideen terrorist Burhan Wani was killed by security forces. The Pakistan government has openly supported the protests, likening them to a "freedom struggle" and lionising Burhan Wani.

    65 people have now died, six of them since last evening, in clashes between protesters and security forces in just over a month. More than 5000 people have been injured, many of them security personnel.

    Protesters have set fire to police stations and attacked security bases. This morning, 300 people reportedly attacked a bus in Budgam carrying Central Reserve Police Force personnel or CRPF personnel, who opened fire. Five people were killed.
    One person was killed last evening when security forces opened fire at protestors during clashes in Srinagar's Batamaloo area.

    Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh, who is holding daily meetings to review the Kashmir situation, told Parliament last week that the security forces have been asked to exercise "maximum restraint" and limit civilian casualties to the extent possible.
    Mr Singh met National Security Adviser Ajit Doval and the Director of Intelligence Bureau today to discuss the fresh outbreak of violence.
    The Kashmir Valley has been under curfew for an unprecedented five weeks.

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    Militants routing funds via civilians travelling to Gulf to avoid detection?

    Militants routing funds via civilians travelling to Gulf to avoid detection?
    By Express news service

    http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...avoid-detection/2016/08/18/article3584673.ece



    NEW DELHI: The NIA on Wednesday said it had found that the terror organisations and their overseas sympathisers were transferring money to civilians’ bank accounts in Jammu and Kashmir to finance activities against the country.


    The agency has started a probe after they found that certain bank accounts in the state had seen huge transaction of funds in the last few months despite the fact that these accounts were in names of persons whose income didn’t warrant such banking transactions.

    NIA Inspector General Sanjeev Kumar Singh said, “Running the risk of getting caught by security and intelligence agencies, militant organisations and their sympathisers have begun jettisoning hawala channels for transferring money and are wooing Kashmiris who travel to Gulf countries for work.”

    The agency has registered a preliminary inquiry and will submit a report to the Ministry of Home Affairs. “One per cent of the money received is left in the bank account of the individual by their ‘handlers’ based abroad as commission,” a source said. The money so deposited in the bank accounts is withdrawn within days. Some people who received such dubious money have no connection with the depositors and the amounts are withdrawn within 48 hours of being transferred.

    In order to avoid detection by the RBI, the funds are transferred in small amounts not exceeding `1 lakh. Banks are mandated to give a suspicious transaction report if they find over `10 lakh has been deposited in any account in one go and also if they notice a regular flow of large amounts into it from the same source. “The money is deposited in various accounts in order to avoid being noticed and named in suspicious transaction report. The same set of people is used after a gap of no less than three to four months,” the scource added. Over-invoicing of goods by some Kashmiri businessmen in the Gulf has also come under the NIA lens.
     
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    The disruption and terrorism in Bangladesh is created by pakistan with china to stretch the Indian security capability..kinda like opening a credible threat on the eastern border for India.

    The pakis and chinis must be hoping that by doing so they could stall Indian involvement in PoK there by buying an opportunity for china with their CPEC pipeline through PoK.

    I wonder how much of 118 BIllion belongs to china in the investment of terror factories project of pakistan
     
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    Beijing Mind Behind Pak Terrorism
    Dr. Rakesh Datta


    http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/publication/idr/vol_17(2)/rakesh_datta.htm


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    According to a recent Pakistan publication named, From a Head, through a Head, to a Head authored by FS Aijazuddin, it was the late Chou-en-lai who suggested to the Pakistani military delegation which called upon him in 1966 that instead of short term wars, Pakistan must prepare for a prolonged conflict with India.


    In order to do this, the late Premier advised the visiting Generals to raise a Pakistan Militia Force to act behind the enemy’s rear, to cut off its logistics and destroy strategic centres and prepare to take over operational control, once the first line of defence broke. On the eve of the 1965 War, General Ayub Khan who felt panicked was advised to resort to a long war with India, keeping in view the latter’s numerical superiority in Armed Forces. When the Pakistani President explained that the flat terrain of Punjab was not suitable for mounting guerrilla attacks on an advancing enemy, he was told to use all available natural obstacles like small rivers and high ground as a cover. Above all, the author says, the late Chou-en-lai reassured Ayub Khan that China would be maintaining pressure all the time. When asked categorically for how long, Chou-en-lai said, "As long as necessary, but Pakistan must keep fighting."

    This concept of warfare involving the citizenry of Pakistan was in fact totally alien to the Pakistani Generals. It was contrary to the military doctrine they had learnt at Quetta. However, the use of unorthodox tactics, the late Premier explained, was considered better suited to nations lacking a military-industrial complex. The Chinese had learnt it from their own long drawn struggle for liberation, the author quoted. It thus became clear to Pakistan leaders that if they wanted Chinese support they had to prepare for a prolonged war with India.

    In fact Pakistan needed Chinese support much more than that of the United States who did not prove to be a friend in deed in their wars against India. It was notwithstanding the fact that Pakistan was their military partner in CENTO, a frontrunner in the US war against communism besides acting later as a bridge between China and America. China on the other hand was believed to be a natural ally with a commonality of interests. While the friendly relations between the two varied initially depending on each country’s estimate of the utility of the other, their mutual marked hostility towards India had remained constant. The strategic linkage between China and Pakistan was forged in 1963.

    For instance, the creation of tension on Sikkim-Tibet border in September 1965 was to immobilise the Indian forces in the eastern sector. During the Bangladesh War, Chinese support to Pakistan was equally vigorous. On the other hand, General Musharraf’s visit to Beijing, more recently, when Pakistan was building defences in Dras, Kargil and Batalik sectors was to take Chinese approval, something that was considered both essential and mandatory.

    Further, as the events have unfolded, India is fighting a low intensity war with Pakistan for over two decades, proving the Chinese contention that it is only through prolonged conflict with India that Pakistan could overcome her military handicaps in the numbers game. This was proved by the expedition in Kargil which was another blow to Pakistan. In any direct war a country must possess 3:1 superiority in military but by undertaking irregular warfare against India, endorsing the Chinese strategy, Pakistan has not only surmounted the conventional superiority of India but has also circumvented the Indian nuclear deterrent.

    According to General VP Malik, former Indian Army Chief, India has lost nearly 35,000 lives fighting the unending war-like situation. This is more than the casualty rate of all the wars put together, that the country has fought both with China and Pakistan. The Union Law Minister has remarked that India is fighting a high intensity war on its borders with Pakistan, in contrast to the operations being dubbed as being of low intensity nature.

    The hidden strategic linkage between China and Pakistan amply proves that everything being done in India in terms of terrorism and cross border infiltration is not Pakistan’s doing alone. The players are different and Pakistan is being used only as a stooge. Imagine a country with a population of sixteen crores, a growth rate of less than 4.6 per cent and a debt of $35billion having let loose a rein of terror in India which is considerably bigger in size, population, resources and capabilities. However, where we draw a blank is on the political front. This factor has even put a question mark on the credibility of our over-a-million army by inanely deploying them on the borders and fatiguing them.

    The recent statistics show that there are nearly 2,500 Madrassas in different parts of Pakistan producing nearly 3 lakh fighters annually; ready to kill and die for Islam. Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed included, over a dozen organisations supported by ISI are engaged in terrorist activities against India on a permanent basis.

    In this context, military operations conducted by ISI have taken over the control of secessionist movements in Nagaland, Manipur, Mizoram and Tripura. Earlier, insurgency elements in all these states drew help from China. In Assam too, the problem with ULFA and BODO tribals, which rose in arms through support by China are now ISI active. In Punjab, the crisis generated by the demand for greater decentralisaton of power, culminated in an armed uprising helped by ISI. Once again the country is faced with a fairly high intensity of terrorism with no sign of it abating.

    Operations of such magnitude, that too on a sustained basis, naturally cost extra money and resources. Keeping in view Pakistan’s socio-economic perspective, the country is hard-pressed in terms of economic growth, high inflation, rising debt, increasing poverty, growing unemployment and low literacy. It is, therefore, hard to accept that Pakistan is managing the confrontationist posture against India exclusively, without getting help from outside.

    On the other hand, the thrust of Chinese policy continues to rest on Mao’s dictum that "Power grows from the barrel of a gun." However, in its bid to prove to the world that China has matured politically, it has refrained from entering into a direct clash with other nations, unlike in the past. But given the geostrategic location of India, China has continued to nibble at India, in order to try and contain it at the level of a sub continental power.

    In this context, going by their policy of indirect approach of using Pakistan to maintain constant pressure on India, China has been giving huge military aid to Karachi. Since September 1965 China has supplied Pakistan complete equipment for two infantry divisions. The ordnance included battle tanks, fighter aircrafts, naval ships and submarines. Later during General Tikka Khan’s visit to Beijing in January 1978, talks were initiated for supply of missiles to Pakistan. According to New York Times, China’s rivalry with India was behind its arming of Pakistan with missiles. The report added, that, if China helped Pakistan secure medium-range missiles they would balance missiles that India, a large and more advanced country, has already developed for itself. Chinese technicians have been seen in Pakistan for the production of missiles including M-11, rocket motors, propellants and guidance system. Pakistan has also been seen testing Shaheen missile which has increased its ability to strike India.

    Again, as a matter of high strategy, the Chinese resolve to further dig into the subcontinent, has helped Pakistan in the construction of Karakoram highway by providing most of the funds and manpower. In the event of Sino-Pak combined thrust on India, this highway will pose a military and political threat to India’s security by making Srinagar-Leh road extremely vulnerable. In this regard Chinese clandestine help in providing logistics to Pakistan Army during latter’s adventures in Kargil could not be ruled out, due to proximity factor.

    Of late Chinese covert assistance to Pakistan’s nuclear weapon programme has completely aborted India’s plan of taking a lead in acquiring effective nuclear deterrence in the region after China; instead it has put India more in a state of quandary vis-à-vis Pakistan. According to US military sources, Chinese nuclear scientists are not only working in Pakistan’s nuclear facilities but have also enabled Islamabad to produce a bomb. China has set up 300 mw Chashma nuclear plant besides helping establish 40 mw Khushab Plutonium producing reactor and facility for extracting weapon grade Plutonium from spent fuel. It was intended to accord Pakistan taking a leap jump over India in nuclear technology and this became quite apparent when Pakistan carried out series of nuclear tests including thermonuclear as a sequel to India’s Shakti-II at Pokhran.

    Both the countries have travelled a long way since 1962. Though there has not been a repeat of any direct conflict between the two, Beijing has persistently maintained the posture of a strategic adversary to India. After all, China continues to occupy 14,600 sq miles of Indian territory annexed during the Sino-Indian War and is certainly in no mood to return it. She is a formidable neighbour and a security risk. Of late, China has started hitting at our domestic industry by flooding Indian markets with Chinese goods. We may dismiss this but cannot ignore it completely.

    So when George Fernandes, the Defence Minister of India speaks out on China being a potential enemy of India - echoing the voice of late Sardar Patel, that India has to reckon with a communist China that has definite ambitions and aims not very friendly disposed towards us - it carries substance, however awkward it may appear in diplomatic jargon.

    At the same time, the present long battle over Kashmir which Pakistan is fighting with India through fomenting terrorist activities by cross border infiltration is the last straw in the series of its devious game plan as suggested by China.

    http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/publication/idr/vol_17(2)/rakesh_datta.htm
     
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    IDN TAKE: Is Pakistan Kashmir Policy Responsible For Its Faltering Economy?
    Pakistan’s foreign debt and liabilities touched the highest ever figure of over Rs 74 trillion in the first month of the current financial year, the country’s central bank informed on 30th Aug 2016. This is the record high debt in the history of Pakistan, What is the reason for this? , if I throw this question to the audience I am damn sure most will give the answer “Terrorism sponsored by Pakistan”.

    Why will any company invest in a country which is unstable, Corrupt and one of the prime sponsors of terrorism in entire World? The result of this fear is deterioration of the economy of Pakistan, another most important reason for poor economic condition of Pakistan is “Kashmir” issue, and time and again Pakistan has tried to internationalize the Kashmir issue and had fought 3 wars with India on Kashmir nevertheless Pakistan lost all the 3 wars leading to further deterioration of its economy.

    Pakistan’s Obsession with Kashmir started from 1947 when India and Pakistan were partitioned at the time of partition Kashmir was independent princely state under the rule of Maharaja Hari Singh. Maharaja wanted to keep Kashmir as an independent state by neither joining India and nor Pakistan, but on 22nd October 1947 Pakistan launched an attack on Kashmir by sending tribal militia, Maharaja Hari Singh sought the help from India to stop the advance of militia but before that had to sign the instrument of accession to India thus becoming one of the state of India after 1947 war India governed 43% part of Kashmir and Pakistan administers roughly 37% part of Kashmir.

    From 1947 the Kashmir is bone of contention between India and Pakistan relations and as analyzed by some experts is also a nuclear flash point between both South Asian neighbors.

    Pakistan considers India as its arch rival and considers Kashmir as its jugular vein thus its defense spending are directed towards India, Pakistan spends roughly 2.5% of its GDP on defense but this number looks sham as entire world knows that it is the Pakistani Army which calls the shot in Pakistan internal politics and Pakistan’s democratic government is just a puppet in hands of Pakistani Army Chief, large parts of Pakistan economy and its GDP are under the control of Pakistan military and there is a direct interference of Pakistani military in Pakistan economic policies and the proof of this interference is that till now Pakistan has not given most favored nation(MFN) status to India however India granted Pakistan MFN status way back in 1996. This military interference in economy has cost Pakistan dearly and has made Pakistan totally dependent on foreign aid, according to statistics US alone has granted Pakistan $67 billion till 2011 in addition to aid provided by other world agencies like IMF, World Bank and ADB.

    Presently, large part of US aid to Pakistan is being slashed because of failure of Pakistan in cracking down the Haqqani network in addition to this the secret links between Pakistani Government and terrorists organizations like Lashkar-e-Taiba, Taliban etc through its Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency has been busted, noting this US frustration Pakistan has found new donor inform of China and now Pakistan is attracting $46 billion Chinese aid in form of CPEC (China Pakistan Economic Corridor). This policy of Pakistan of depending on foreign aid is going to fail in long run because any country which itself is not able to sustain its economy faces a constant danger of going bankrupt if foreign aid stops, also that country has to follow the orders of the country which is providing it economic aid.


    In conclusion, rivalry with India on Kashmir issue has greatly cost Pakistan its economy also the constant support to terrorists groups has undermine Pakistan position to become an investment destination for other countries with exception of China. If Pakistan doesn’t mends its ways and do not stop in competing with India on defense spending than the day is not far when Pakistan’s economy will get bankrupt. Moreover Pakistan with its current economic and foreign policies will never be able to compete with India on economic terms as Indian GDP ($2 Trillion) is 8 times that of Pakistan ($250 Billion) .At last India can only say this to Pakistan “Get Well Soon”.

    http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/09/idn-take-is-pakistan-kashmir-policy.html
     
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    We should open a part of the border. Booby trap the terrorists. Send them to jahannum. Take their weapons and send them back to pakistan via balochistan of course.

    Even if the weapons are seized, they will be paki made.
     
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    India to nail Pakistan's lie on LeT funding at international meet
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    • India will look to corner Pakistan at a weeklong discussion on financing of terrorism in Paris
    • Free run given to banned outfits like Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jamaat-ud-Dawa in Pakistan will be brought up

    NEW DELHI: When delegates from 190 countries, the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), United Nations and multilateral agencies sit together from Sunday in Paris for a weeklong discussion on financing of terrorism, the Indian representatives will turn the spotlight on the free run given to banned outfits like Lashkar-e-Taiba and its UN co-listed entities Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) and Falah-i-Insaniyat Foundation (FIF) for raising funds for terrorism in the name of charity in Pakistan. :clap2:

    India will also highlight the recent collection of funds in the name of Hizbul commander Burhan Wani.

    According to the latest Asia Pacific Group report on action taken by Pakistan against terror financing in line with FATF recommendations, exclusively accessed by TOI, Islamabad claimed to have taken several measures under international pressure against these UN listed groups. The action included taking over the management of these UNSCR 1267 designated organisations — LeT and its charitable arms — FIF and JuD, and appointing an administrator from Punjab (Pakistan) government to oversee their operations. Pakistan also said it has frozen 33 bank accounts related to individuals and entities associated with LeT, JuD and FIF. In order to stem the fundraising activities of these outfits, the Nawaz Sharif government claimed to have put a ban on advertisements seeking funds in the name of charity, holding public rallies and has blocked websites and telephone services for raising of funds.

    However, the report which Indian officials are likely to raise in Paris says that the Markaz is still running under the name of JuD, which indicates that asset freezing and prohibitions on collecting funds are not comprehensively implemented. Indian officials say that Jamaat-ud Dawa and its branches still openly hold public rallies and collect funds while Pakistan is lying to the international community on such action.

    "It's all eyewash. Pakistan doesn't want to take action against UN listed organisations and individuals and doesn't comply with the recommendations of world body on terrorism financing — FATF," said a government functionary.



    The Indian delegation, which includes officials from MHA, MEA and other agencies, will also share steps taken by the Narendra Modi-led government in curbing terror funding through banking and non-banking channels, confiscating terrorists' assets, action on money laundering and amending unlawful activities (prevention) act to criminalize terror financing.

    In its last report to FATF in 2015, India had informed that Pakistan-based terror outfit Hizb-ul-Mujahideen was receiving funds originating from Pakistan through different channels.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...t-international-meet/articleshow/54874631.cms
     
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    Modi just called Pakistan "the mothership of terrorism" at BRICS. Looks like independence day is in store.
     
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    Baluchistan was an independent country on 13th August 1947, two days before India and one day before Pakistan. Jinnha's jihadis merely occupied the territory after their failed attempt to occupy Kashmir.
     
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    They still need independence from pigs don't they?
     
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    That should read, 'At last India can only say this to Pakistan “Get fuked Soon”.
     
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    For those who aren't aware of the true story of Balochistan, do read this......


    How Balochistan became a part of Pakistan – a historical perspective

    http://nation.com.pk/blogs/05-Dec-2...e-a-part-of-pakistan-a-historical-perspective

    The last paragraph:

    The true history of Balochistan is never shared or talked about among the general public of Pakistan. Our textbooks and other publications narrate a rhetoric which is far from the truth, and which has made the general public believe in a lie. It is the responsibility of the intellectuals, the teachers and the professors to learn and reveal the real facts according to non-tempered historical documents.
     
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    Really? What a fukin joke! Who are these Porks trying to fool? Check this out....

    Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD), the parent body of banned terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba has been allocated over Rs. 61 million in the budget for Pakistan's Punjab province government headed by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's party PML-N.

    Besides a grant-in-aid of over Rs. 61 million in its budget for fiscal 2013-14 for 'Markaz-e-Taiba', the largest centre of the JuD, the provincial government has allocated Rs. 350 million for setting up a "Knowledge Park" at the centre and other development initiatives.
     
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    Don't know about them, but we sure do need them to be independent of Pakistan, that is the current situation. The back story is really interesting, if you are interested. Jinnah was actually the lawyer hired by the Khan Of Kalat who was the monarch of Baluchistan during British rule in India. In the name of lawyer's fees Jinnah asked the Khan to give gold equal to the weight of Jinnah and in exchange Jinnah would argue the case for the independence of Baluchistan from Pakistan. This was obviously a ploy. Jinnah took the gold, stalled the case until his army could prepare for a full invasion of Baluchistan and once they were ready, they invaded, kidnapped the family of the monarch, made him sign instrument of accession and Jinnah kept all the gold which he had taken as lawyer's fees, like a true Muslim. Jinnah was a very highly educated member of British India, I think he had foreign degrees too.

    Moral of the story is, doesn't matter how highly educated a Muslim is, be it doctor, engineer, barrister, prime minister, a Muslim never ceases to be a Muslim due to education, he remains a Muslim, first and always. Musharraf also has a similar story, he was actually an Indian from an elite Indian Muslim family who migrated to Pakistan very late after the creation. So all those who say that Indian Muslims are a different breed than Pakistani Muslims and their loyalty must not be challenged, here is a great counter example called Musharraf.

    As long as the nation of Pakistan exists as an alternative for Indian Muslims to look up to, as an ideological model for a functional Islamic state (which serves as living counter-narrative to India's nationhood of a secular democratic republic) and as a flagship of Muslims of the subcontinent and as a functional place of refuge for all anti-India elements to hide in, after committing crime in India, India will always face an existential threat from Pakistan. This makes Pakistan more dangerous than China, even with all their military might. Pakistan shall always provide the mental comfort of being the "Plan B" for any Muslim in the sub-continent who wants to start over afresh after committing a crime in India. In essence, India must always strive to undermine this nation to show that the idea of an Islamic riwayat within the Indian subcontinent was an inherently flawed concept, it will have more credibility now that it has been tried and failed once already during 1971, and once again, when Baluchistan splits apart.

    As long as people know that there is another rat hole to run to, after messing things up in India, they will always give step motherly treatment to their motherland. It is our responsibility to dismantle Pakistan to send a message to the 170M + 180M + 120M Muslims of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh that you cannot have a safe haven in South Asia. There can be no parallel Islamic model operating in the Indian subcontinent. We will break you until you are nothing more than vassal states of a Hindu India.

    Especially to the Muslims of India, it will send an unwritten message that there is no "Plan B" to migrate to, anymore, so if you were thinking of dodging taxes, planting bombs, burning saints alive in Godhra, throwing non-veg in temples, thinking that you could escape to Pakistan, that hotel-cum-lodge has shut down now. You will be brought to book, not by Indian army or RAW, but a simple hawaldar of Mumbai police and brought back in a second hand police van to face trial in not the supreme court as an international celebrity terrorist, but a chillar chindi chor arrested from the neighboring vassal state of Baluchistan, Sindh, Bangladesh, just like we do for jihadis hiding in Nepal currently.

    There will be no more Dawoods produced in India as there will be no more Pakistan to hide in. This is how we need to approach the problem.
     
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    No more Pakistan by 2020. Here's the map....

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    The Struggle to Send Home Pakistan’s Dead
    When Pakistan’s national airline suspended U.S. flights, the immigrant community struggled to send their dead home.

    In the last week of June 2017 on the night before Eid al-Fitr, the annual Muslim holiday marking the end of Ramadan, the streets of Brooklyn’s Coney Island Avenue were festive, filled with women, men, and children who came out to celebrate the end of the holy month of fasting and the arrival of Eid. Here, in the heart of a neighborhood known as “Little Pakistan,” locals broke the final fast together, and then made their way to the many stalls lining the streets. They bought bangles and jewelry, got henna on their hands, and savored sweets and savories from the stalls. It was a night of uplifting music and merriment in the immigrant-rich, tight-knit community.

    But amid the street party scenes, wedged between the stalls heaving with sweets and succulent and spicy kebabs, another stall was showcased and getting a great deal of attention from local merrymakers: A funeral home’s stall.

    Its presence on the streets during this holiday might seem jarring, even unseemly, to visitors unfamiliar with Little Pakistan. But not for local residents, virtually all of them Muslim and low-income, who are acutely aware that their struggles don’t end with death, but in some cases become manifold challenges for family and friends left behind.


    As with other stalls, people stopped at this somber one too; asking a litany of well-informed questions, from the lowest rates for body embalming to the cost of being driven to the mosque where the funeral prayer would take place and then to the airport for the final journey home. The Pakistanis who stopped at the stall did not recoil because members of this financially struggling immigrant community regard burial in their homeland and making dignified arrangements for that time as a necessity; a part of life.

    Not only is there the strong emotional pull to be buried as quickly as possible on native soil for religious and cultural reasons; for years, the practice of the deceased being flown back to Pakistan was the least expensive option. While an American burial was out of reach for many low-income immigrants, returning a dead body on a direct flight to Pakistan was free. Fourteen years ago, Pakistan’s national airline began transporting the country’s dead back to their homeland free of cost.

    But last fall, the Pakistani airline abruptly ended its flights to the United States, saying it had become too costly. The decision has left local Pakistanis in a desperate bind when tragedy strikes.

    The new hurdle is the latest blow for a Muslim community that has purposefully striven to be invisible in their everyday lives. The Pakistani community in the United States feels under threat from government authorities, stigmatized by the 9/11 terrorist attacks and fearful of the Trump administration’s policies against immigrants like the travel ban targeted at those from mostly Muslim countries.

    In this South Asian New York neighborhood of mostly daily wage earners, some undocumented and with limited English proficiency, there is often comfort found in living lives under the radar. But the community now finds itself facing the issue of repatriating their loved ones in an ad hoc, haphazard manner rather than in the cohesive way of a more organized immigrant community.

    For 14 years, the Pakistani immigrants in New York City only had to gather money for body embalming and the basic funeral services of getting picked up from the hospital or home, driven to the funeral home and finally to the airport. Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), the national carrier of Pakistan, transported the bodies of the country’s deceased citizens back to Pakistan free of cost. But on October 28, 2017, PIA flew its last flight from John F. Kennedy Airport, leaving the immigrants in New York beset with worry and fear of what to do when a loved one who wished to be buried in Pakistan dies.

    From now on, aside from the approximately $1,500 to $1,800 dollars needed for the funeral services and embalming, a process mandatory for a body being transported to another country, the immigrants will also have to scramble to find money for the air travel. PIA operated a direct flight from New York to Lahore, which meant that a body would reach its loved ones in 12 hours; the other international airlines that go to Pakistan all have layovers at their respective base cities.

    Bazah Roohi, founder of the American Council of Minority Women and a humanitarian worker in Little Pakistan, has seen how the airline had a tremendous impact on the financially struggling Pakistani population, making a difficult time easier.

    “We could inform PIA officials a night before a body had to be transported,” said Roohi. “But now, we don’t know what the protocol will be and what more we will need to do in an already desperate situation.”

    The practicalities of body repatriation are a constant stress among Pakistanis, who are barely earning enough to make ends meet as it is. Now the airline’s recent decision has greatly magnified the problem, said Roohi and other activists who work with the community. Aside from the added costs, it will take much longer for the body to reach Pakistan, which is problematic according to the Islamic faith which states that a body must be buried as soon as possible — something which has become a distant dream for the low-income immigrant community in America.

    End of PIA’s Free Direct Flights for the Dead

    PIA operated its Lahore to New York flight twice a week. When flying into the United States, the flight stopped in Manchester for security clearance as the United States does not allow for direct flights from Pakistan to the United States. However, the eastbound flight was nonstop. PIA was the only airline that offered a nonstop flight between New York and Pakistan. Other popular airlines that operate on this route are Etihad Airways, Qatar Airways, Emirates, and Turkish Airlines; each of these have a stopover in their base cities: Abu Dhabi, Doha, Dubai, and Istanbul, respectively.

    Musharraf Rasool, the CEO of PIA, stated that the New York to Pakistan route had been incurring losses amounting to more than $10 million and the flight had not been profitable for at least a decade. The route closure was part of a larger decision regarding the closure of a number of unprofitable routes.

    “Looking ahead, we as an airline will keep looking at the possibility to start flying back into JFK as soon as possible,” said Rasool. “However there are several hurdles with TSA being the biggest one.” According to the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) any flight from Pakistan cannot fly directly into the United States and must make a layover to get a security clearance. “Because of this, our product is not competitive in the market and we just couldn’t go on with it any further,” said Rasool.

    However, the new airport in Islamabad, the capital city, will have all necessary security facilities that are currently not deployed at Pakistan’s other airports. “Once that airport is commissioned, we will begin our negotiations with America again,” Rasool said. The airport was expected to be inaugurated in December 2017, but the opening was delayed until May 1.

    Some Pakistani immigrants are lobbying to get the Pakistani airline route restored so bodies of families and friends can return home with dignity. Members of the Pakistani American Council New York, an organization aimed at organizing the community, met with the Consul General of Pakistan in New York, Raja Ali Ejaz, to discuss the hardship the community is and will keep facing if PIA service is not restored.

    On November 16, 2017 the delegation submitted a petition signed by New York’s Pakistani organizations stating that laid out two choices: either the Pakistani government restores PIA’s service to the United States or the government of Pakistan pays for the shipment costs of sending back deceased citizens through the community fund the New York consulate manages. No action by the Pakistani government has yet been taken.

    “While I understand the sentiments of the Pakistani immigrants here, I also feel that the community should take up the responsibility of organizing themselves as well — there is only so much a state can do,” said Counsel General Ejaz.

    A Community Organizes to Help Those in Need

    Nadeem Ishaque, a general contractor in New York City, founded a nonprofit organization — One Nation Us — in 2016 when he realized how difficult it is for people to get a dignified burial or even just raise enough money for body embalming if a body was being sent to Pakistan. One Nation Us, a Long Island-based company, funds the funeral services of impoverished families. “Initially it was just for Pakistanis but soon we realized this is a problem amongst all Muslim communities, which is why we cater to all of them now, irrespective of nationalities,” Ishaque said.

    Today, One Nation Us has a funeral home in New York and more than 100 general members. When someone calls informing of a death, a team of evaluators assesses details pertaining to the financial situation of the deceased and his family. Once the team decides that a family or person requires financial assistance, One Nation US pays for the entire cost through their treasury.

    “While other funeral homes charge up to $3,000 for their services, without the burial cost, we charge $1,300 for the same services, irrespective of whether someone just needs assistance or financial help,” said Ishaque.

    Funeral services only include picking up the body from the airport, taking it to the funeral home for preparation, and then taking it to the graveyard, he explained. The costs of the cemetery, coffin, and embalming if need be, are separate and they also vary across a spectrum, depending on the quality of the services preferred.

    Ishaque recognizes the great problem PIA’s closure of direct free flights for the dead has created for the repatriation of low-income immigrants to Pakistan.

    “Our poor immigrants no longer have the option of being buried back home,” he said. “They must settle for whatever options they have here, which are cheaper graveyards that more than often none of their family members will be able to visit.” Since the closure of PIA’s U.S. flights, Ishaque received two requests for financial assistance in funeral services and for the shipment of the body to Pakistan. “I asked the families to bury the deceased in America because of the extremely high costs of transportation of the body to Pakistan.”

    Ishaque has met with Consul General Ejaz a handful of times to discuss the crisis since November 2017. “He has been very understanding and has asked me to refer special cases to him when the need arises” he said. “But the process of approval is too long for the body to be kept and that too uncertain of whether they would be able to fund it or not.” Realizing the desperate situation when Ishaque receives a call for financial help, his evaluation team decides within an hour whether they will be able to cover the costs in a particular case or not.

    But the procedure is much more exhaustive at the consulate. “We check bank statements of the deceased, ask people in the locality about the financial situation of the person, find people who can vouch for it and also check where his relatives live in Pakistan as these are all indicators of whether someone is actually financially in need,” said Ejaz.

    One Route Closed, Difficult Paths Remain

    Now the option that remains for low-income Pakistani immigrants is to either qualify as poverty stricken to be able to get funding from the office of the Consulate General or to depend on nonprofit organizations which can pay for the funeral services and burial in the states but may not be able to afford to ship the body to Pakistan. The former may be an even more difficult task for people who work on daily wages and are barely able to pay for rent and food, like the majority of the low-income immigrant population.

    Many of these immigrants work hard all their lives to support families in Pakistan, said Mian Azeem, a journalist who has been living in Little Pakistan since the 1970s. “Only to die lonely deaths, without their families getting the chance to see them one last time, and all this because one airline stopped its service to the U.S.”

    Nushmiya Sukhera is a student at the Graduate School of Journalism at Columbia University.


    Oh Well!!!! $118 Spent in Last 15 years for PROMOTING TERRORISM by pakistan, where pakistan dont claim their own dead soldiers, who fought futile wars not for pakistan to claim what is not rightfully theirs.


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