Pakistan's Goal is to conquer Afganistan

Tolaha

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in india.?
If you would have told me yesterday.i might have made a video for you from more than 100 afghans pashtun including the farsiband or we call them dari people if they want to be with Pakistan or not

i do agree the Uzbeks might not want but neither do we want them to enter pak
Ofcourse not silly! I hope you aren't even half expecting me to back up my claim? As I see it, whatever I think is the reality and doesn't need to be accompanied by some silly artifacts called "evidence". I see you too are following the same theory.

As for making more people as Pakistanis. Dont you think that Pakistani awaam is already too busy with deciding who a Muslim is and who isn't. Adding more Pakistanis is only going to make this exercise more complicated. You are probably better off trying to managing what you've got. But then, more Pakistanis == The head of Ummah! :yey:
 

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I was just reading the Hindu News,,,, and just realized that Pakistan Goal is to use terrorism and groups like the Taliban and Al Quada to not just influence events in Afganstan but to actually conquer Afganstan and combine it with Pakistan into one nation. Evidently the feel it would allow them to more easily compete economically and militarily with India. That is Pakistan long range goal. What do you think?
Ask Uncle Sam to stop giving them military aid since its independence Yankees have blessed Pakistan with all sorts of economic packages and military hardware that were used against India first Patton Tanks, F-86 & F-104 planes etc and even encouraged Arabs to fund them.
There was also news report that Nixon encouraged China to attack India during the 1971 war and lastly its an open secret what Pakistan did to Afghanistan during the 1990s and don't tell us that Clinton did not knew anything about that.

If all this sh!t is brewing up in this region USA get the lion share of responsibility.
 

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Inevitable Union: Confederation of Afghanistan & Pakistan

Pakistan Afghanistan union map: The merger of Afghanistan and Pakistan is inevitable

While Pakistan continues to develop from a young nation to a mature one, after passing through a tumultuous history having fought & survived 3 wars with a determined enemy to its east, poverty, a changing world politically/economically, soviet intervention and hostility from neighboring Afghanistan and more recently Nuclear brinkmanship from India and the war on terror. Pakistan has proven itself to be resilient, determined and very much at the front-line of world affairs, a place which invokes passionate resolve despite the multitude of problems facing it, neighboring countries and the region as a whole.

Many Political analysts, Afghans and Pakistani's have discussed the possibility of forming a confederation btw the two nations of Afghanistan & Pakistan.

Initially, the two nations would function under considerable autonomy, sharing only security, monetary and trade relations(already existent) and later on, as relations solidify and improve, there can be greater cohesion by unifying the political structure of these two nations. There will no doubt be many hurdles on the way from pressure groups in both Pakistan & Afghanistan, but the idea of Afghanistan and Pakistan as united countries is not so far fetched and is a natural sequel of the region vis-a-vis current patterns of orientation, trade links, population movement, historical/cultural/linguistic spheres and public sentiment. If one reads through history, you'll find that the modern lands of Pakistan where in fact 'Afghanistan' just a few hundred years ago prior to British occupation. In fact, the modern nation state of Afghanistan created by Shah Abdali consisted of all of modern day Afghanistan, and all of modern day Pakistan(including every province in it:Balochistan, Sindh, Punjab, Kashmir). Coincidentally, the current Pakistan India border used to be the ancient border with Afghanistan. I refer you to the following link from an Afghan site which shows a map during the time of Abdali—> Afghan-web.com/history.empire.html

While Pakistan has surplus foods and is an established rising economic/regional power it suffers from a lack of natural resources and dominance of certain ethnic groups(mainly Punjabi who make up 46% of population, with the pushtuns in 2nd place at 18%) and a minority of Muslim refugees known as muhajir who came from India at the time of independence and were disproportionately represented in the countries services despite being less than 6% of the population. In Afghanistan, the country suffers from severe food shortages, is landlocked, yet does contain many natural resources. Afghanistan also suffers bitter ethnic rivalry between the Pushtuns (about 40% of the population) and Tajiks(@ 27%) an urbanized, educated and elite group with both showing varying antagonism towards other smaller groups such as the Hazaras, Turkomen etc"¦. Union/Confederation of Pakistan and Afghanistan would help these two former 'Afghan Domains' compliment each other, help create a healthy & equitable balance between ethnic groups in both countries and return these two countries to their original culture/linguistic borders. Many of the inherent difficulties the two nations currently suffer would in part be shared by the other half so to speak. Also, such a confederation would be a country of enormous potential, resources and strength in the region bringing along with it, stability, growth and prosperity to the entire region. It would also be by default a nuclear power and have considerable resources at its disposal. Political analyst have always stated that such a state is and most likely will be inevitable in the near future but the issue is not of if& how this will happen but rather of when it will happen! Confederation of Afghanistan & Pakistan - Inevitable relationship
Inevitable Union: Confederation of Afghanistan & Pakistan « Siyasat Aur Pakistan
 

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Punjabi pashtun hate is now past tense.
Pashtun brother combined still would be more than 30millions less than Punjabi so this doesnt make sense
more than 80% of Punjabi would agree with this

not sure about full Afghanistan merging with pak but atleast pashtun majority region is bound to merge with Pakistan be it after 2 decades or 10 decades
Lets do some scenario building.

Assuming everything happens peacefully.

At present 35million out of 175 million Pakistanis are Baloch + Pashtun(1 in 5) and they have 81 seats in Balochistan-NWFP combined out of 342 seats(1 in 5). Punjabis+Seraikis number 85 million or roughy 50% with 178 seats out of 342 seats which is again roughly 50%.

If we merge Pashtun areas of Afghanistan ie 25million odd Pashtuns with Pakistan, then the Population of Pakistan becomes 200million and those of Pashtuns + Baloch 60million or 30% (1 in 3).

For the sake of argument lets assume the NA is expanded to 400 strong. Now Punjabis+Seraikis will have 170 seats out of 400, Pashtuns+Baloch 135 odd, and Sindh+others will have 95 seats.

Do you see how unstable this arrangement would be ?
MQM - Karachi
PPP - Sindh + Seraikistan + Balochistan
PML(various) - Punjab
ANP - Pashtun areas .

The present co-alition partners ie PPP + MQM + ANP will always rule, and PML(Q,N,F,L) ie Punjabi parties will always be out of power.

Punjabis will never allow this. Look at the causes for 1971. Look at the reasons why MQM is behaving the way it is , look at why stranded Pakistanis ie Biharis are not being brought from Bangladesh.
Pakistan is a fragile state wrt demography.
 

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not the whole Afghanistan but the pashtun majority areas Because we dont want Uzbeks in Pakistan though Tajiks are more than welcome.
The Tajiks and India are in the same camp. Do you want to join our camp?
 

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well imran is a Niazi pashtun and your well aware of his popularity in Pakistan among the Punjabi and sindhi both.

Imran Khan for all practical purposes is considered a Punjabi, he is from Lahore/Mianwali.
Just like Nawaz despite being Kashmiri, is today considered a Punjabi.

Punjabi makes more than half of Pakistan population hence they have govt majority of time but if 50pashtuns are in PAKISTAN than pashtun will also have chance
Just like Bengalis got a chance :troll:
 

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No Pakistani wants Afghanistan to merge with us, We are regretting allowing these guys migrate here in the first place and cause trouble.

Afghanistan for us will be like where the British sent their puritans, where Indians sent their Maududi's, Zia ul haq and Israr Ahmeds, in other words, a dumping ground for our extremists.

And then we shall close the border for good.

And Punjabis and Pashtuns do not have a problem with each other but we do have a problem with the corrupt Government. Punjabi, Pashtun, Muhajir, Sindhi, baloch will all vote for Imran Khan who is a Muhajir of Pashun origin, who lives in Punjab and speaks urdu.

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If there is any historically legitimacy argument the Kind China like to use then
Afghanistan is really a part of India since the Sikh empire conquered and ruled
Afghanistan.
 

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And then we do this and all of Pakistan will starve:


Tough talk for people who don't control their water supply

On a serious note, there is no point to this thread :tsk:
Well if they can have wet dreams of conquering India through Ghazwa-e-hind, even though we control
three primary rivers, they can certainly dream of conquering Afghanistan.
 

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=[Zarvin;670288]No Pakistani wants Afghanistan to merge with us, We are regretting allowing these guys migrate here in the first place and cause trouble.
That is true, except for the Pathans who want greater majority via that route. But the Paki Army wants it that way seeking "Strategic Depth".

Afghanistan for us will be like where the British sent their puritans, where Indians sent their Maududi's, Zia ul haq and Israr Ahmeds, in other words, a dumping ground for our extremists.
No. Pakistan have earned billions of dollars by using the Afghans as Jihadies. Now you are saying you wish to banish them into Afghanistanistan. But it may not happen that way. Who will you send to Kashmir ? The only thing preventing Pakistanis is the fear of opening of another front. Ultimately that is what has happened.

and then we shall close the border for good.
Not possible. Pakistan has already deployed approximately 80,000 FC troops on that border and another 1,60, 000 would also not suffice.

And Punjabis and Pashtuns do not have a problem with each other but we do have a problem with the corrupt Government. Punjabi, Pashtun, Muhajir, Sindhi, baloch will all vote for Imran Khan who is a Muhajir of Pashun origin, who lives in Punjab and speaks urdu.
Simply untrue. They hate each other so much that they are at each others throat on every issue.
 

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Hindu isnt really "Hindu". :hehe: Its a communist newspaper with its Chief editor supposed to be a Christian. When they started the paper more than 130 years back, probably they didn't have a clue how the paper would turn out to be.
If I may add - The Hindu is really Indian edition of Peoples Daily.
 

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Tajiks & Uzbeks fought heroically against Pastun dominated Taliban... even after very trying condition they hold their positions...



The hate rate of Pusthuns towards Pakistani Punjabis is to be seen... the union is impossible...
I have met quite a few Pashtuns(from Afghanistan) here in Canada. Almost all of them do not like Pakistanis at all.
 

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Pakistan conquering A-stan? I doubt it.

A-stan has several ethnics groups which dislikes Pak. Beyond the Tajiks and Uzbeks as cited here, there are yet the Balochs in south, the Hazaras that are shias, the Persians of Herat, more identified with Iran, and there are also hindu/sikhs minorities, living mainly in Kabul.

Durrani Empire was overall an Afghan empire and the precursor of modern A-stan state. If is for it to back, then would be A-stan that will conquer Pak instead of Pak conquer A-stan.

In fact, afghan nationalists claim Pashtunistan and Balochistan as being part of Great Afghanistan (aka Loy Afghanistan)

Afghanistan Zindabad! :afghanistan:

Pakistan Murdabad! :shoot:
 

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Reunification with Afghanistan is hardly a new concept, it may happen but not anytime soon. As far "conquering" is concerned we don't need to, its a natural bond with 60 million Pashtuns on both sides, its bound to happen one way or another.Pakistan and Afghanistan were a single country under the Durrani Empire in 1747.





There are strong elements on both sides that favor a full unification or a cooperative agreement like the UAE.
Who taught you the history? One visit to the Wikipedia would have cleared all the misconception in your mind. Did you see all this in your dreams or Chinese taught you the lessons on how to rewrite the history and claim all the territory that was never your during the time period mentioned by you. You can do better than that unless you were born to lie.
 

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