Pakistan's Existence: A need or a burden?

[Iamanidiot]

If Pakistan (at least Sindh and Punjab) want back into India, I would welcome such a change. Baloachistan wasn't a proper part of British India, anyway. Map from the early 1900s:

They would rather amalgamate Baloach parts of Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan into a greater Baloach state, merge NWFP based on their ethnicities with Afghanistan, and let West Punjab and Sindh merge with the India using a mechanism identical to China's One Country, Two Systems, so that the two states could be gradually reintegrated into India, so that the economic and social disparities don't come as a 'shock' to either systems.

Pakistan is a failed experiment. No use beating a dead horse.

tarun the land ok the people? who wants 150 million idiots to feed.We need to do a lot more for our own people.These guys are ugly two timing idiots who are parasites

 

[tarunraju]

tarun the land ok the people? who wants 150 million idiots to feed.We need to do a lot more for our own people.These guys are ugly two timing idiots who are parasites

You will be able to fit all the 'idiots' of Pakistan into one 40-seater bus, and push it off a cliff. Yes, just those many people give Pakistan its artificial identity, and maintain it for their own control over the guillable.

 

[Iamanidiot]

You will be able to fit all the 'idiots' of Pakistan into one 40-seater bus, and push it off a cliff. Yes, just those many people give Pakistan its artificial identity, and maintain it for their own control over the guillable.

if that had been the case we might not be seeing these many idiots pouting shit .the whole system and its people are rotten to the core Tarun inclusion of these idiots who are rotten to the core will be a himalayan blunder tarun.If we want pakistan we want it minus the shit

 

[tarunraju]

if that had been the case we might not be seeing these many idiots pouting shit .the whole system and its people are rotten to the core Tarun inclusion of these idiots who are rotten to the core will be a himalayan blunder tarun.If we want pakistan we want it minus the shit

Firstly, I'm talking about a hypothetical scenario where, Pakistan's provinces of Punjab and Sindh decide to "secede" (their federal structure gives each state that power), and decide to seek reintegration with India, whether we should let them in. And the answer is a resounding yes. We have civilizational, historic and cultural ties with Punjab and Sindh. Under the framework of "two systems, one nation", Sindh and West Punjab will be given SAR (special administrative region) status that will lapse in time, so that the social and economic reintegration is gradual, and doesn't dent our economy in a big way.

The silent majority is never part of either being Supermen or shit-spouting people.

And no, they can feed themselves. The Jats of West Punjab make kickass farmers. For India, absorbing Punjab and Sindh economically (absorbing its economically inferior position, and attempting to stabilize the economy) is a more viable option than spending billions more forever on defense.

 

[Iamanidiot]

Firstly, I'm talking about a hypothetical scenario where, Pakistan's provinces of Punjab and Sindh decide to "secede" (their federal structure gives each state that power), and decide to seek reintegration with India, whether we should let them in. And the answer is a resounding yes. We have civilizational, historic and cultural ties with Punjab and Sindh. Under the framework of "two systems, one nation", Sindh and West Punjab will be given SAR (special administrative region) status that will lapse in time, so that the social and economic reintegration is gradual, and doesn't dent our economy in a big way.

The silent majority is never part of either being Supermen or shit-spouting people.

And no, they can feed themselves. The Jats of West Punjab make kickass farmers. For India, absorbing Punjab and Sindh economically (absorbing its economically inferior position, and attempting to stabilize the economy) is a more viable option than spending billions more forever on defense.

Tarun you are failing to recognize the shittiest part in the hypothetical equation ours is a case of chauvinism due to nationalism and theirs is a case of chauvinism due to religion.Fucks who think themselves as too pure and bious where actually its the otherway down.Even if we have the most noble thoughts and actions you won't be getting a positive response for them .For them india and indians are to be conquered ,pillaged and raped in the name of allah.Tarun best example is Atal jees lahore trip ,what was the quid pro quo?

 

[tarunraju]

Tarun you are failing to recognize the shittiest part in the hypothetical equation ours is a case of chauvinism due to nationalism and theirs is a case of chauvinism due to religion.Fucks who think themselves as too pure and bious where actually its the otherway down.Even if we have the most noble thoughts and actions you won't be getting a positive response for them .For them india and indians are to be conquered ,pillaged and raped in the name of allah.Tarun best example is Atal jees lahore trip ,what was the quid pro quo?

When the crap hits the fan (when disintegration of Pakistan is imminent), chauvinism will barely connect to religion. The ideology that India should be conquered is part of that very social-cocaine that Pakistan's elites sell to the commoners, to keep their control intact. Like I said, that is a very small group, and it should also tell you that the society can be molded that easily. When any commoner abandons commonsense to start believing that one day Pakistan will conquer India, it's equally easy for him to abandon that belief for another one - that of a progressive secular, democratic society.

Anyway, I'll rest my case.

 

[Iamanidiot]

When the crap hits the fan (when disintegration of Pakistan is imminent), chauvinism will barely connect to religion.

chauvinism connected very well with religion during 1971 the short and smelly bengalis have no right to live in the name of allah or lets say suar ki aulad according to zulfiqar ali bhutto

The ideology that India should be conquered is part of that very social-cocaine that Pakistan's elites sell to the commoners, to keep their control intact. Like I said, that is a very small group, and it should also tell you that the society can be molded that easily.

a lies told a thousand times is a truth tarun.Septic tank Zaid Hamid gets prime time on geo TV he is not getting prime time space if the common abduls won't watch isn't it

When any commoner abandons commonsense to start believing that one day Pakistan will conquer India, it's equally easy for him to abandon that belief for another one - that of a progressive secular, democratic society.

We are seeing enough symptoms of what you stated above culling ahmadis ,beheading sikhs( fucking bastards who did that thing).

it's equally easy for him to abandon that belief for another one - that of a progressive secular, democratic society

Tarun you answered your own argument when was pakistan any of that

 

[tarunraju]

Tarun you answered your own argument when was pakistan any of that

It wasn't, India is.

And Zaid Hamid is that social-cocaine peddler for the elites. He will obviously get prime-time viewership in any channel he wants. Though the point here is that Pakistan's elites will not be able to hold the country together for too long, they won't be able to control the masses when that happens. The solution of a partitioned Pakistan is novel, but it doesn't guarantee that those smaller countries will be any more stable, especially when they become neighboring countries. India would rather absorb those two states, and gradually reintegrate them, than having to put up with a more unstable western border (with two belligerent states).

 

[Iamanidiot]

It wasn't, India is.

And Zaid Hamid is that social-cocaine peddler for the elites. He will obviously get prime-time viewership in any channel he wants. Though the point here is that Pakistan's elites will not be able to hold the country together for too long, they won't be able to control the masses when that happens. The solution of a partitioned Pakistan is novel, but it doesn't guarantee that those smaller countries will be any more stable, especially when they become neighboring countries. India would rather absorb those two states, and gradually reintegrate them, than having to put up with a more unstable western border (with two belligerent states).

those smaller states will be culling each other anarchy is better than organized violence that pakistan unleashes on india

 

[tarunraju]

those smaller states will be culling each other anarchy is better than organized violence that pakistan unleashes on india

Oh, their belligerence towards India can be just as organised, and from two states. Pakistan's partition won't change that. It cost Pakistan peanuts for 26/11.

 

[Iamanidiot]

Oh, their belligerence towards India can be just as organised, and from two states. Pakistan's partition won't change that. It cost Pakistan peanuts for 26/11.

a missile into a corps commanders house or getting the head of state family culled in a brahmos strike will work wonders tarun

 

[Iamanidiot]

you need two hands to clap tarun

 

[tarunraju]

a missile into a corps commanders house or getting the head of state family culled in a brahmos strike will work wonders tarun

And then partition of Pakistan would also mean distribution of its nuclear arsenal. Would you want two weaker countries (weaker restraint) with nukes, or would you rather neutralise both of them by reintegration?

 

[Iamanidiot]

And then partition of Pakistan would also mean distribution of its nuclear arsenal. Would you want two weaker countries (weaker restraint) with nukes, or would you rather neutralise both of them by reintegration?

Paks nuke arsenal is PALed Tarun.The nuke arsenal keys are in beijing or US.Pakistan's nukes are as much as a concern to US and China as it is to us.Iam least worried about their nukes.They are already neutralized or will be neutralized by US

 

[tarunraju]

Paks nuke arsenal is PALed Tarun.The nuke arsenal keys are in beijing or US.Pakistan's nukes are as much as a concern to US and China as it is to us.Iam least worried about their nukes.They are already neutralized or will be neutralized by US

They're not as much of a concern to PRC or USA. Pakistan lacks the delivery vehicles (missiles) that can carry nuclear payload anywhere close to US or any significant portion of China. The point though is that Beijing or Washington will have to "split" those keys as and when Pakistan splits.

On a side note, China or US would never allow reintegration of any portion of Pakistan with India. They would both rather have India and Pakistan have perpetual belligerence, as it's in their interests. It certainly isn't in the interests of Indians or Pakistanis.

 

[Iamanidiot]

they are a concern how about the odd dirty bomb exploding in times square.PRC knows where the nxt nuke from india lands after pakistan is finished in a nuke strike.India knows how the nukes were procured.Once pakistan splits you won't be having the USSR type disintegration.There will be anarchy and all the al-qaeda and taliban factions will be combing for the nukes.In such a scenario any one would like to have their nukes procured as early as possible.Paks nukes are stored in component form with the triggers,nukes and transport vechicles separated.

 

[tarunraju]

they are a concern how about the odd dirty bomb exploding in times square.PRC knows where the nxt nuke from india lands after pakistan is finished in a nuke strike.India knows how the nukes were procured.Once pakistan splits you won't be having the USSR type disintegration.There will be anarchy and all the al-qaeda and taliban factions will be combing for the nukes.In such a scenario any one would like to have their nukes procured as early as possible.Paks nukes are stored in component form with the triggers,nukes and transport vechicles separated.

US Customs and Border Security is better than to let someone to bring a dirty bomb (a nuke) to Times Square. The recent attacker improvised a conventional bomb using materials that were available there. And India will not be able to hold China in culpability of a nuclear attack from Pakistan. That's not how things would work.

And I agree Pakistan will split up in total anarchy, and we wouldn't want two anarchic countries to border us. Rather we would want to absorb those two states at the right time, declare them SARs so there still are fenced borders and travel restrictions, and then peacefully sort out the mess. Baloach integration with Sistan and southern Afghanistan, coupled with NWFP integration with Afghanistan will bring greater stability to that region by weakening warring factions further (since India could then snap their source of funds, and step up rebuilding efforts in Afghanistan). All of Kashmir is Indian territory, so POK will be recovered in the process.

 

[tarunraju]

And for those thinking addition of territory after so many decades is impossible, consider the United States:

Today's US was formed as a result of several cessions, purchases, and annexations, some of which were spaced decades away. Alaska was purchased from Russia almost 80 years after US independence. So addition of territory to Modern India some 60 years after independence is not a weird thing.

 

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[Vinod2070]

If Pakistan (at least Sindh and Punjab) want back into India, I would welcome such a change.

At this point, I will say we just go with Sindh. Punjab needs a cool off period of 2-3 decades or so before we give it a chance to return.