Pakistan's Economic Prospects

[trackwhack]

What is the economic future of pakistan? What renewable and non-renewable resources can they (or we) look to exploit?

Please do not clutter this thread with crap like hydrogen cars.

A follow on question must be - Do you think partition of pakistan in the future is going to be done along ethnic synergies or resources ?

 

[trackwhack]

There is iron ore and coal in Baluchistan and there is immense hydropower in paki occupied kashmir.

 

[Iamanidiot]

There is iron ore and coal in Baluchistan and there is immense hydropower in paki occupied kashmir.

They will default on the IMF loan next year and will also sink.

 

[Apollyon]

Those Coal and Iron Ore mines require huge capital investments which these bhikari kaum dont have.
From Reuters :
Pakistan to tap coal riches to avert energy crisis | Reuters

Yet it has one of the biggest, barely-touched, single coal reserves on the planet - the massive Thar coalfield in the northern Sindh province with 175 billion tonnes of extremely high water-content, low energy coal.

This kind of low-grade, watery coal is found in abundance in other countries, such as Indonesia, the world's biggest exporter, but it has not been economic to exploit in the past.

 

[Jim Street]

First for your follow on question, everything happening around especially in Asia is based on resources rather than on religion or ethnicity even if we consider Pakistan. The major reason of separatist movement in Pakistan is irregular distribution and oppression of certain areas even when they provide the resources. Baluchistan is a good example.

For your first question, the gold and coal reserves are important. Nuclear energy is going to be very less portion of our power generation and our demand is growing everyday. Gold has always been important for India not just for economic purpose but for cultural and traditional value.

Also, the mines we got in Afghanistan and our other investment planned in Afghanistan and CAR especially TAPI which is supported by US also, IPI opposed by US but important for India is one of the major reason for our relations with Pakistan as it is our economical gateway to these resources. We can term it as indirect resources of Pakistan because of its location.

 

[Apollyon]

Also, the mines we got in Afghanistan and our other investment planned in Afghanistan and CAR especially TAPI which is supported by US also, IPI opposed by US but important for India is one of the major reason for our relations with Pakistan as it is our economical gateway to these resources. We can term it as indirect resources of Pakistan because of its location.

India to Go Undersea for Gas Transit?

What about Iran as our gateway to CAR Resources ?
1.Much more stable.
2.Much more willing.

Why Pakistan :why::why::why::why:

 

[blank_quest]

India to Go Undersea for Gas Transit?

What about Iran as our gateway to CAR Resources ?
1.Much more stable.
2.Much more willing.

Why Pakistan :why::why::why::why:

its basically Indian Politician's "Pakistan withdrawal Syndrome". They can't remain blunt on the Pak "Itch" for long time. They need some rhetoric ranting for nationalism like quid pro quo Pakistani Politician's do! Pakis have an annual "Kashmir Itch" when ever they talk on CBM they want kashmir to be included as a "Core Itch" (read Issue).

 

[Jim Street]

India to Go Undersea for Gas Transit?

What about Iran as our gateway to CAR Resources ?
1.Much more stable.
2.Much more willing.

Why Pakistan :why::why::why::why:

Go for underwater transit especially with a country which has been in sanctions for decades and is on cross hair of so many nations. Not to forget time and money it will take to be build and also it will be a juicy target for Pakistani submarines to stop our supplies; So either you get it through Pakistan or via underwater channel, you are still vulnerable to Pakistan's attack in case of war.

After Iran, you have to pass through Afghanistan, which is still not in control of NATO and ANA, forget about post 2014.

I am not saying get it through Pakistan, I agree with your proposals but keep in mind that they are also insecure,

 

[blank_quest]

Go for underwater transit especially with a country which has been in sanctions for decades and is on cross hair of so many nations. Not to forget time and money it will take to be build and also it will be a juicy target for Pakistani submarines to stop our supplies; So either you get it through Pakistan or via underwater channel, you are still vulnerable to Pakistan's attack in case of war.

After Iran, you have to pass through Afghanistan, which is still not in control of NATO and ANA, forget about post 2014.

I am not saying get it through Pakistan, I agree with your proposals but keep in mind that they are also insecure,

freedom of Baluchistan and SIndh will open up the Gate for India.. U.S can keep its share of dominance on these States and Pakistan will be in peace forever...

 

[Jim Street]

freedom of Baluchistan and SIndh will open up the Gate for India.. U.S can keep its share of dominance on these States and Pakistan will be in peace forever...

And you think a nuclear state like Pakistan will let it happen, they will nuke it rather than giving them freedom. Everyone know that.

 

[Daredevil]

There is iron ore and coal in Baluchistan and there is immense hydropower in paki occupied kashmir.

Hydropower is a good prospect but they are not utilising at all. Many of the dam plans are languishing for the want of funding, be it from World Bank or Asian Development Bank. WB and ADB are not willing to fund these dam projects since this is a disputed region and asked Pakistan to obtain No-Objection Certificate from India. Unless China or US funds them, they have no capability to utilize such resources.

 

[Daredevil]

Go for underwater transit especially with a country which has been in sanctions for decades and is on cross hair of so many nations. Not to forget time and money it will take to be build and also it will be a juicy target for Pakistani submarines to stop our supplies; So either you get it through Pakistan or via underwater channel, you are still vulnerable to Pakistan's attack in case of war.

After Iran, you have to pass through Afghanistan, which is still not in control of NATO and ANA, forget about post 2014.

I am not saying get it through Pakistan, I agree with your proposals but keep in mind that they are also insecure,

I would rather Indo-Iran pipeline be underwater rather than go through Pakistan because of security situation and possible mischief by Pakistan in future if pipeline goes through Pakistan. In the long run, the underwater pipeline is more secure and fruitful.

It will be a act of war if Pakistan attacks our pipe line for whatever reason and India can take punitive measures to effect them equally.

 

[blank_quest]

Hydropower is a good prospect but they are not utilising at all. Many of the dam plans are languishing for the want of funding, be it from World Bank or Asian Development Bank. WB and ADB are not willing to fund these dam projects since this is a disputed region and asked Pakistan to obtain No-Objection Certificate from India. Unless China or US funds them, they have no capability to utilize such resources.

China's Zero-interest Loan's are the only Hope for "deeper than sea and sweeter than Honey Bed Partner" Pakistani Damns (Read Dams) .. US is already cutting its line of credit.:thumb:

 

[blank_quest]

And you think a nuclear state like Pakistan will let it happen, they will nuke it rather than giving them freedom. Everyone know that.

I think you forgot the Nuclear State of the Erstwhile-USSR that was a Nuclear Power House..it broke in an ephemeral as nothing. so,never undermine the unrest in the society, be it India or Pak or any other country. its always possible that the sand slips under the hand and you never know!

 

[Jim Street]

I would rather Indo-Iran pipeline be underwater rather than go through Pakistan because of security situation and possible mischief by Pakistan in future if pipeline goes through Pakistan. In the long run, the underwater pipeline is more secure and fruitful.

It will be a act of war if Pakistan attacks our pipe line for whatever reason and India can take punitive measures to effect them equally.

Agreed, in peace time, they can't stop our supply on minor issues, but in case of war, don't you think the result will be the same.?

 

[Iamanidiot]

Agreed, in peace time, they can't stop our supply on minor issues, but in case of war, don't you think the result will be the same.?

I have to admit this argument of yours is silly

 

[blank_quest]

More evidence based factual rational analysis can lead to some conclusion.. else we always will be giving opinions like Zahil Hamid!

 

[Daredevil]

Agreed, in peace time, they can't stop our supply on minor issues, but in case of war, don't you think the result will be the same.?

During war, we will have strategic reserves to depend on. Moreover, there are many routes and ports through which we can import the oil. It should not be a big problem. On the other hand, we can simply put a blockade on Karachi port and stop much of the oil imports of Pakistan.

 

[blank_quest]

Agreed, in peace time, they can't stop our supply on minor issues, but in case of war, don't you think the result will be the same.?

is it an opinion as its not the fact! why ?? see.. because the fact is that , the PAK did stop the NATO supply over the issue of apology when pak media brought up the issue of killing of pak soldiers "comparing it with USA's apology in SRK's airport case". Now that's the fact .. give me an anti-thesis!!

 

[Jim Street]

During war, we will have strategic reserved to depend on. Moreover, there are many routes and ports through which we can import the oil. It should not be a big problem. On the other hand, we can simply put a blockade on Karachi port and stop much of the oil imports of Pakistan.

Well it is obvious strategy. I was talking about susceptibility of underwater pipeline to Pakistani attack. So at any given day, supply through ships are much safer as they can be escorted by our navy while pipeline can be targeted anywhere and can't be protected everywhere. they are stationary targets.

We all know that future war between India and Pakistan won't be more than for few weeks. So if they manage to destroy the pipeline and ceasefire is declared, we will have big problem.

You are right about usage of strategic reserves, blockade etc. while I am focusing more on post war scenario.

Would like to ask, will it be easy to repair pipeline if certain section is destroyed ? If you can post more Pros and Cons of these options and alternatives.