Pakistan's desperation: Modi-led India rising evoke LoC attacks

[Zebra]

Please check the date in video, it is August 2014. So the cross border firings are going on since few months now.

Published on Oct 7, 2014, by

 

[tramp]

Pakistan's strategy vis-a-vis Kashmir is clear. Nawaz raised it at UN, rather elaborately. The UN ignored it by and large. Then it tries creating border incidents so that alarm bells begin ringing in UN. Ban Ki Moon calls for talks... and Islamabad follows up with a complaint to UN alleging border firing by India. They believe they can internationalise the matter this way.

Pakistan writes to UN chief, seeks intervention on Kashmir - The Times of India
ISLAMABAD: Stepping up its attempts to internationalise the Kashmir issue, Pakistan has written to UN chief Ban ki-moon on the security situation along the LoC and the International Border with India and sought the world body's intervention in resolving the issue.

In a letter to UN chief Ban ki-moon, adviser to the Pakistan prime minister on national security and foreign affairs Sartaj Aziz accused India of "deliberate and unprovoked violations of the ceasefire agreement and cross-border firing" over the past weeks.

"I write to bring to your urgent attention the deteriorating security situation along the line of control in Jammu & Kashmir, as well as along the International Border between Pakistan and India...

"As you are aware, the Jammu & Kashmir dispute is one of the long outstanding issues on the agenda of the UN security council, whose resolutions promising the holding of a plebiscite, under the auspices of the United Nations, for self-determination of the people of Jammu & Kashmir, remain valid though unimplemented to date," Aziz wrote in the letter which was released by Pakistan foreign office here.

 

[sorcerer]

Re: Pakistan's suicidal desperation: Modi-led India rising evoke LoC a

Media only says that Indian forces have done indiscriminate firing on the civilian population of Azad Kashmir. Indian infiltration we all know is done on our western borders i.e. from your consulate in Kandhar

Well! your media and the Govt said Bin Laden was NOT in your country!!
See, the world trusts your media and the Govt.

 

[sorcerer]

Re: Pakistan's suicidal desperation: Modi-led India rising evoke LoC a

I do not belong to that school of thought where india has anything to do with baloch movement,that too just for the sake of tit for tat.

its not tit for tat..its a strategic tact!

 

[pmaitra]

Pakistan's strategy vis-a-vis Kashmir is clear. Nawaz raised it at UN, rather elaborately. The UN ignored it by and large. Then it tries creating border incidents so that alarm bells begin ringing in UN. Ban Ki Moon calls for talks... and Islamabad follows up with a complaint to UN alleging border firing by India. They believe they can internationalise the matter this way.

Well summarized.

Pakistan wants to remain at par with India. After all, it was created as "not-India."

Now, that India has been trying to avoid talks with Pakistan over Kashmir, they are struggling to accept that they are a minor irritant for India, and not at par with India. So, they are trying to internationalize it once again.

 

[sorcerer]

Well summarized.

Pakistan wants to remain at par with India. After all, it was created as "not-India."

Now, that India has been trying to avoid talks with Pakistan over Kashmir, they are struggling to accept that they are a minor irritant for India, and not at par with India. So, they are trying to internationalize it once again.

May be after all the drama happening at Pak with Imran+Qadri vs Nawas, Nawas wants to score a few brownie points. Kashmir or anything against India is an easy way for any Pakistani politician to score public reputation and media attention.

 

[pmaitra]

May be after all the drama happening at Pak with Imran+Qadri vs Nawas, Nawas wants to score a few brownie points. Kashmir or anything against India is an easy way for any Pakistani politician to score public reputation and media attention.

Right, and I think India is doing the right thing by making the "costs unaffordable." We don't want to encourage them into believing that such actions by them will be a benefit to them. The more benefit they get, the more they are likely to repeat these provocative shelling and firing.

 

[ezsasa]

Re: Pakistan's suicidal desperation: Modi-led India rising evoke LoC a

its not tit for tat..its a strategic tact!

Exactly, if there was strategic interest we would have a seen a slow strategic and diplomatic buildup. Frankly we do not see any such thing happening. When was the last time you heard an indian govt. raise the topic of balochistan at national or international stage? Atleast i haven't heard about in the last 15 years. The way the things are going in baki land we need not do anything they seem to be shooting in their own foot themselves. Baloch element is not as critical as before. Either way after bugti's assasination i think their movement lost steam.

Strategic tact only works when it takes the changing times into consideration. We have to be wise enough to put some things in back burner if they are not as useful as before.

Hence my statement "not just for the sake of tit for tat".

 

[tramp]

The question is how far Pakistan will go on with this firing. If indeed Pakistani strategy is to internationlise Kashmir once again so that the hyphen is restored in international perception once again, the louder the noise on the border the better for it. Islamabad will therefore try to use the civilian shield to increase casualties from Indian firing. India will have to use all diplomatic charm to avoid falling into the trap.

Well summarized.

Pakistan wants to remain at par with India. After all, it was created as "not-India."

Now, that India has been trying to avoid talks with Pakistan over Kashmir, they are struggling to accept that they are a minor irritant for India, and not at par with India. So, they are trying to internationalize it once again.

 

[tramp]

As far as Pakistan's military is concerned, no cost is too much so long as the world so much as takes a cursory note of the flare up. That is why the Indian tactics have to be carefully thought out. This is not a normal military and in any case we are not dealing with a normal state even. The Pakistani military has a very high pain threshold and that makes matters complicated. The general will not mind feeding the civilians to Indian cannons just to get that extra attention on the world stage.

Right, and I think India is doing the right thing by making the "costs unaffordable." We don't want to encourage them into believing that such actions by them will be a benefit to them. The more benefit they get, the more they are likely to repeat these provocative shelling and firing.

 

[Ashutosh Lokhande]

As far as Pakistan's military is concerned, no cost is too much so long as the world so much as takes a cursory note of the flare up. That is why the Indian tactics have to be carefully thought out. This is not a normal military and in any case we are not dealing with a normal state even. The Pakistani military has a very high pain threshold and that makes matters complicated. The general will not mind feeding the civilians to Indian cannons just to get that extra attention on the world stage.

No difference between hamas and PA

 

[sorcerer]

As far as Pakistan's military is concerned, no cost is too much so long as the world so much as takes a cursory note of the flare up. That is why the Indian tactics have to be carefully thought out. This is not a normal military and in any case we are not dealing with a normal state even. The Pakistani military has a very high pain threshold and that makes matters complicated. The general will not mind feeding the civilians to Indian cannons just to get that extra attention on the world stage.

Pakistan media is trying to paint it like the situation in Gaza, so that inernational media and world countries read Kashmir in the same lines as that of Gaza taking into consideration only the body count and not the reality that is Kashmir and the true history of it.

 

[ezsasa]

Pakistan media is trying to paint it like the situation in Gaza, so that inernational media and world countries read Kashmir in the same lines as that of Gaza taking into consideration only the body count and not the reality that is Kashmir and the true history of it.

Good point. DG BSF had already explained the reason that paki border posts lie with in the civilian area where as ours are far from civilian areas. As usual this point was missed by media and did not gain much attention. These are important aspects of story building. Our guys need to improve a few things on PR front.

 

[anupamsurey]

only answer, JUNGLE ME MORE NAACHA KISNE DEKHA ?, do you really think that the world cares about the pakis dying?
if that was the case, then Pakistanis have been dying in drone attacks from past 10 years(and nobody gives a shit).
people died in Gaza, and nobody could move even a single strand of hair despite the high intensity of reporting. the UN is the biggest joke when it comes to avoiding wars, India should keep it up like the Israel did, and every Islamic country must understand that they are just whores in this world.. just needed to be exploited.

 

[thethinker]

Prime Minister Narendra Modi to address top commanders of armed forces on Friday - The Economic Times

By PTI | 13 Oct, 2014, 08.35PM IST


NEW DELHI: The country's security situation against the backdrop of ceasefire violations by Pakistan and developments on China border are expected to discussed at the Combined Conference of the armed forces to be addressed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday.

This will be Modi's maiden address to the top commanders of all the three services during which he is expected to outline his strategic vision, Defence Ministry officials said here today.

The situation along the Pakistan border and the Line of Actual Control with China is expected to come up for discussion in the meeting, which will see the participation of National Security Adviser and all the three services chiefs.

Pakistan has been repeatedly violating the ceasefire along the International Border and Line of Control ( LoC) for nearly two weeks. India has been retaliating with major force.

There were fears of escalation but the firing and shelling has receded over the past three days.

Meanwhile, the Army commenced its four-day conference where it will discuss matters related to the internal and external security.

The Navy and the IAF will begin their respective Commanders' Conference tomorrow.

The three Services hold their respective conferences, which are held bi-annually to discuss current internal and external strategic issues, for operational preparedness and aspects pertaining to military technology and force modernization.

 

[ezsasa]

Looks like there has been a press briefing by pak rangers on the LOC situation, i guess it is in response to our media making fun of pak media that they are not allowed to go to the border.

Must say it feels good to hear when a PAK DG ranger says "India is super power and behaves like a super power. now a days they get irritated just like that, even if we fire small arms".
You can find clippings of the briefing on pak tv channels on youtube, not able to post the links yet.

one thing i noticed is that they are giving numbers like 4116 rounds fired in one night by BSF,same in the case of small arms fire.
Is it really possible for any army to give such numbers? May be senior members can throw some light on this.

 

[SADAKHUSH]

Re: Pakistan's suicidal desperation: Modi-led India rising evoke LoC a

We did not beg once from you,ye ap ki zehniat zahir kerti hai.Akhand Bharat ka khawab le ker tu bhi shamshan ghat pohnchay ga or tera ye khawab khawab hi rahe ga.agay ap ki diwali bhi a rhi hai tu hum bhi phr diye jalain ge apni toopon se working boundry ke us paar.kia samjhe.lekin ho tu samjhain na.

Let us see if that happens, if it does you will receive it ten fold. You guys remind us of your Eid celebration, why you do not tell the same to your ISIS thugs to hold their fire during festive season. Your Army General's cannot even enforce the Rules of Engagement by beheading the POW than you have the audacity to preach us about what our Army should be doing during this festive season. If you cannot walk the talk than do not preach.

 

[Sylex21]

It would be very funny if all India just stopped reporting on Pakistan at all ever. Just completely pretended if the nation didn't exist for a year or two. I'd love to see their reactions, i bet they would get soooooo mad.

 

[rock127]

It would be very funny if all India just stopped reporting on Pakistan at all ever. Just completely pretended if the nation didn't exist for a year or two. I'd love to see their reactions, i bet they would get soooooo mad.

But some Indian channels here are doing interview of idiots and LOSERS like Mushi ie. the guy who is of no relevance anymore even in Pakistan.