Pakistani national bird kills seven in North Waziristan

[DEJAVU]

An Afghani speaking of honour

He is a false flagger...

 

[Ray]

NO proof of that! Plus in reality lif style of generals is much lower then beaurocrats etc. TOTAL CRAP. Huge numbers of pathan are present in pakistan Army

There is no debate over crap being surfeit in Pakistan. I will concede that aspect, if you say so.

How is it that whenever there is a flap and a US General or a bureaucrat arrives and Pakistan then kowtows?

But can you say that Pashtuns are enamoured by Pak Punjabi overlording them as lower subordinates and parasite?

I hope you are taking your meds . Im genuinly concerned for you

Not to worry, he is a renowned doctor himself!

 

[bennedose]

NO proof of that! Plus in reality lif style of generals is much lower then beaurocrats etc. TOTAL CRAP. Huge numbers of pathan are present in pakistan Army

I hope you are taking your meds . Im genuinly concerned for you

Your concern about me like everything else coming from a Paki is fake. A drama - waste of words because you have no real information to offer as counter. A denial would have been enough but you are angry enough with my post to add this idiotic sentence about my meds. You want to hit me personally somehow .What a laugh. Also it is a typical American style word "meds" so you don't even live in Pakistan. Freudian slip.

Generals lifestyles may not be as good as bureaucrats but that is because the bureaucrats are as corrupt as your generals - at least some of your generals. There is plenty of literature available that shows how the army officer's life is a great one far removed from the reality of most Pakistanis other than the elite. And Pakistani generals have not suddenly given themselves a pay cut - so you can cut the crap

The Pakistani army is being bribed by America which is why drone strikes continue with Pakistan army help and the Paki army act as if they are fighting India so them people of Pakistan must not oppose them

You say there are "Loads of Pathans" in the Pakistan army. Pathans were the second largest ethnic minority in the Pakistan army after the Pakjabis but there have been a lot of desertions after America's "War on terror" bribed you jernails and made them move the army from the India border to the Afghan border. This is a well known fact but you would not expect the Pakistan army to admit it.

Your army is in a mess, which is not a new thing. It was in a mess after 1971 also. But the mess this time is different. recruitment from the areas that are now Taliban controlled is likely to be way down but the actual figures will not become public anytime soon.

 

[bennedose]

Pakistani national bird is worlds deadly bird. Looks like they will soon cross 5K................

Indeed it is deadly.The US is using Pakistan to develop its drone technology. The Pakistani army has cooperated with the US whenever they have wanted a particular problem group to be eliminated and have given the US information to assist a drone strike. In other cases the Pakistan army has warned the targets of drones before a strike so that they can escape. There was a report fom the US where it was said that once the US realized that the Pakistanis were warning some people that they would be targeted by drones, they stopped telling the Pakistanis.

So when a drone strike occurs and the Pakistanis protest, it means that the US has eliminated someone whom the Pakis did not want eliminated. In other cases the Pakistanis have cooperated but the army is putting up the same lame pretence excuse that it is difficult to fight drones. It is not. When armies have resisted the US, the US has lost. The US lost in North Korea, Vietnam and more recently in Somalia. But those nations have more honour than Pakistanis.

Pakistanis will help anyone whom they think might give some assistance in fighting India. This gives the US a fantastic lever to manipulate Pakistani generals. The money that has been poured into Pakistan is astounding - and this is only the money that is accounted for, The US has a military Industrial economy where they print dollars, give them to nations like Pakistan, who pump the dollars back into the US as "payments" for arms. Since arms payments are subsidized by the US, the Pakistan army budget can be used for luxury cars and a great lifestyle.

And as events in the LoC show - the actual fighting is being done by Jamaat udDawa recruits trained by retired Pakis army and SSG personnel.

 

[rock127]

you reveal a lot about the tolerant Indian secular state when you say such things

You are a low breed convert...showed a sword and happy to convert...coward breed... thats it.

Nothing secular/communal about it.

 

[Alpha1]

You are a low breed convert...showed a sword and happy to convert...coward breed... thats it.

Nothing secular/communal about it.

My ancestors didnt enter Islam by force. Your post shows how you people treat muslims in your country!

 

[opesys]

My ancestors didnt enter Islam by force. Your post shows how you people treat muslims in your country!

Let me copy paste your post from http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-inside-pakistan-not-jihad-11.html#post749263

Well in my case they were converted by Muhhammad bin Qasim's Army.
Actualy we were one of the first clans of Rajputs to accept Islam!
Alpha1 ↑

 

[Alpha1]

Let me copy paste your post from http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-inside-pakistan-not-jihad-11.html#post749263

Yup! Still I said they never used force to 'convert'
the non muslims found the muslim way of ruling so much they converted to Islam

 

[kseeker]

Yup! Still I said they never used force to 'convert'
the non muslims found the muslim way of ruling so much they converted to Islam

 

[kseeker]

My ancestors didnt enter Islam by force. Your post shows how you people treat muslims in your country!

Muslims in our country are far more happy than, any other so called Islamic states from all over the globe, In fact, they should thank god almighty that, they are Indians. They enjoy freedom + Minority benefits !

Being a so called Islamic state, what Pakistan has done to Muslims ?

 

[bennedose]

the non muslims found the muslim way of ruling so much they converted to Islam

This is correct and truthful. But it also means forced conversion under pain of punishment.

The Islamic way of ruling was to give perks, power and mercy to Muslims and punish and enslave non Muslims. Those who converted "saw advantages" - as in "they were made an offer that they could not refuse" - "Convert or die". Those who were afraid of fighting or death converted and that included your own ancestors as per your statement. Rajputs come in many varieties. Some were cowards and converted, but no one wants to admit cowardice. I can understand that. It is shameful and no one wants to recall the shame of one's ancestors - especially those who were the first to shame the Rajput reputation 1000 years ago. How can you be both Muslim and Rajput? The latter is a caste name. Or are you simply proud of being an upper caste Pakistani and want to show off that you are not ajlaf? Not Chamar.

The now banned member Farhan made an interesting comment in response to a statement that the percentage of non Muslims in Pakistan has gone down from 25% in 1947 to 3% now.

He said "they must have converted". Fine , for the sake of discussion let me accept that as true. So taking your statement, it means that the non Muslims of Pakistan converted and became Muslims because they liked Muslim rule in Pakistan. In other words the governance that exists in Pakistan is so good that people are readily converting to become Muslims because life is so good for Muslims in Pakistan.

All Muslim Pakistanis are welcome to hold this viewpoint. It is a matter of curiosity that anyone outside Pakistan can see that being a Pakistani is a curse and not a blessing, and being Muslim does not make the average Pakistani any better off than a person from say Somalia. It's not about being Muslim. It is about being Pakistani that is a problem. You may convert because of cowardice, greed, lust, fear or conviction but the conversion is useful if your life gets better.

Pakistaniyat is a hilarious form of schizophrenia that Pakistanis have imposed on themselves. It is a dual personality where Pakistanis refer to themselves as "Muslims" and part of the "ummah" or nation of Islam as long as they want support and want to beg from Islamic countries, but at other times - when they are getting their asses kicked by brotherly Islamic countries or are clubbed with suicide bombers the ummah part suddenly takes a back seat and Pakistanis start talking of themselves as a separate proud nation different from other brotherly Islamic countries. So you are part of ummah when convenient and separate when not convenient.

The ONLY time when Pakistan's dual identity becomes one and the same is when Pakistanis look at India. Pakis look at India and they say:
1. We are Pakistanis. Not Indians
2. Indians are kafirs. We are Muslims

So your "Pakistani nation" and "Ummah" identity exist together ONLY as long as you have India as an enemy. Enmity is needed for Pakistan to exist. It is India's mistake to try and act friendly with Pakistan. Pakistanis see friendship with India as a threat.

Indian politicians like Manmohan Singh, Mani Shankar Aiyar and many others are wrong in thinking that friendship with Pakistan is needed so that all the people of the India subcontinent need to develop together. They are wrong because of the following reasons

1. Pakistanis think that Pakistan is better developed than India. So why the hell should Indian politicians worry about the development of Pakistan? They should worry only about India.
2. Pakistanis do not want friendship with India. Indian politicians say "No, Pakistanis are dying to be friendly with India". At best only a small percentage of Pakis want friendship with India. If Indian leaders believe in democracy why do they want to force friendship on millions of Pakistanis who do not want friendship?
3. Good relations with India may benefit Pakistan because they can then export rice, leather, heroin, ganja, Polio and other Pakistani products right across the border. Why allow Pakistan to get that benefit when they are not interested in friendly relations? Why are we forcing India on Pakistan like rapists?
4. Since Pakistan is such a great and advanced developed nation, dirty kafir Indians should understand that close relations might pollute Pakistan - so we are only being helpful and cooperative towards Pakistan by keeping away.
5. Pakistan is such a great and powerful country and India is such a lousy country that India should do what Pakistan wants. Pakistan does not want good relations as equals so we should not attempt that.

Indians who want friendship with Pakistan are a big threat to Pakistan. And there are too many Indians. They should understand that if they really want to help Pakistan they should leave Pakistan alone and cut off all relations.

 

[kseeker]

This is correct and truthful. But it also means forced conversion under pain of punishment.

The Islamic way of ruling was to give perks, power and mercy to Muslims and punish and enslave non Muslims. Those who converted "saw advantages" - as in "they were made an offer that they could not refuse" - "Convert or die". Those who were afraid of fighting or death converted and that included your own ancestors as per your statement. Rajputs come in many varieties. Some were cowards and converted, but no one wants to admit cowardice. I can understand that. It is shameful and no one wants to recall the shame of one's ancestors - especially those who were the first to shame the Rajput reputation 1000 years ago. How can you be both Muslim and Rajput? The latter is a caste name. Or are you simply proud of being an upper caste Pakistani and want to show off that you are not ajlaf? Not Chamar.

The now banned member Farhan made an interesting comment in response to a statement that the percentage of non Muslims in Pakistan has gone down from 25% in 1947 to 3% now.

He said "they must have converted". Fine , for the sake of discussion let me accept that as true. So taking your statement, it means that the non Muslims of Pakistan converted and became Muslims because they liked Muslim rule in Pakistan. In other words the governance that exists in Pakistan is so good that people are readily converting to become Muslims because life is so good for Muslims in Pakistan.

All Muslim Pakistanis are welcome to hold this viewpoint. It is a matter of curiosity that anyone outside Pakistan can see that being a Pakistani is a curse and not a blessing, and being Muslim does not make the average Pakistani any better off than a person from say Somalia. It's not about being Muslim. It is about being Pakistani that is a problem. You may convert because of cowardice, greed, lust, fear or conviction but the conversion is useful if your life gets better.

Pakistaniyat is a hilarious form of schizophrenia that Pakistanis have imposed on themselves. It is a dual personality where Pakistanis refer to themselves as "Muslims" and part of the "ummah" or nation of Islam as long as they want support and want to beg from Islamic countries, but at other times - when they are getting their asses kicked by brotherly Islamic countries or are clubbed with suicide bombers the ummah part suddenly takes a back seat and Pakistanis start talking of themselves as a separate proud nation different from other brotherly Islamic countries. So you are part of ummah when convenient and separate when not convenient.

The ONLY time when Pakistan's dual identity becomes one and the same is when Pakistanis look at India. Pakis look at India and they say:
1. We are Pakistanis. Not Indians
2. Indians are kafirs. We are Muslims

So your "Pakistani nation" and "Ummah" identity exist together ONLY as long as you have India as an enemy. Enmity is needed for Pakistan to exist. It is India's mistake to try and act friendly with Pakistan. Pakistanis see friendship with India as a threat.

Indian politicians like Manmohan Singh, Mani Shankar Aiyar and many others are wrong in thinking that friendship with Pakistan is needed so that all the people of the India subcontinent need to develop together. They are wrong because of the following reasons

1. Pakistanis think that Pakistan is better developed than India. So why the hell should Indian politicians worry about the development of Pakistan? They should worry only about India.
2. Pakistanis do not want friendship with India. Indian politicians say "No, Pakistanis are dying to be friendly with India". At best only a small percentage of Pakis want friendship with India. If Indian leaders believe in democracy why do they want to force friendship on millions of Pakistanis who do not want friendship?
3. Good relations with India may benefit Pakistan because they can then export rice, leather, heroin, ganja, Polio and other Pakistani products right across the border. Why allow Pakistan to get that benefit when they are not interested in friendly relations? Why are we forcing India on Pakistan like Hindu rapists?
4. Since Pakistan is such a great and advanced developed nation, dirty kafir Indians should understand that close relations might pollute Pakistan - so we are only being helpful and cooperative towards Pakistan by keeping away.
5. Pakistan is such a great and powerful country and India is such a lousy country that India should do what Pakistan wants. Pakistan does not want good relations as equals so we should not attempt that.

Awesome post brother !

 

[rock127]

My ancestors didnt enter Islam by force. Your post shows how you people treat muslims in your country!

LOL yeah and thats how Pakis are brainwashed to avoid returning back to its roots.

Your Hindu ancestors were coward enough to convert and thats why your whole kaum is confused about the identity.

You are a LOW BREED COWARD CONVERT.

 

[sayareakd]

another strike by Pakistani national bird.

US drone strike kills six in Pakistan
September 6, 2013 4:53PM ET
The attack targeted a top commander of the Haqqani network, an ally of the Taliban

A senior commander from an armed group linked to the kidnap of a U.S. soldier was one of six people killed Friday in a U.S. drone strike in Pakistan's tribal region near the Afghan border.

Sangeen Zadran was the operational commander in Pakistan's tribal areas for the Haqqani network, a group allied with the Taliban that regularly attacks U.S. forces in Afghanistan from its mountain hideouts in Pakistan.

The United States placed Zadran, 45, on its list of global "terrorists" in 2011. He was accused of planning bomb attacks and assaults on U.S. bases in eastern Afghanistan, planning movements of foreign Taliban fighters and orchestrating kidnappings of Afghan and foreign nationals in border areas.

His death will be a temporary blow to the Haqqani network, said Saifullah Mahsud of the FATA Research Center, a Pakistan think tank that works in the tribal areas.

"He was one of the chief mediators among the Taliban factions, responsible for settling disputes," Mahsud said. "He is or was holding Bergdahl."

Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, captured in 2009, is the only American soldier the militants hold. They have had repeated discussions with U.S. authorities about exchanging him for some of the high-profile prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay.

Zadran died when drones fired two missiles on a compound in the village of Dargah Mandi in North Waziristan, destroying a house and killing seven people, one security official said. Another official put the toll at five.

A source among insurgents on the ground said the dead from Friday's drone attack also included a 32-year-old al-Qaeda commander who was an expert in explosives, and identified him as Zubir al Muzi, an Egyptian national. Three Jordanians and two local fighters were also killed, he said.

There was no official comment on the death toll. Pakistan's foreign ministry condemned the U.S. drone strike in a statement.

U.S. drones have been killing militants in remote border areas such as North Waziristan, the main stronghold of groups aligned with al-Qaeda and the Taliban, since 2004.

Pakistan says publicly that drones cause civilian casualties and violate its sovereignty, although senior commanders have said some strikes were authorized.

While the Obama administration views drone strikes as a vital tool in the fight against al-Qaeda and the Taliban, their use has recently declined. A database kept by the New America Foundation, a Washington think tank, puts the number of U.S. attacks at 19 this year. 2010 was the peak year for U.S. strikes with 122.

On a visit to Islamabad last month, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry suggested that drone strikes in Pakistan could end "very soon" as the threat of militancy recedes.

Al Jazeera and wire services

US drone strike kills six in Pakistan | Al Jazeera America

 

[sayareakd]

The Obama administration has conducted 19 drone attacks in Pakistan in 2013Massoud Hossaini/AP

looks like Pakistani National bird is striking just above 2 attack per month in last 8 months.

 

[angeldude13]

@Alpha1 Well in my case they were converted by Muhhammad bin Qasim's Army.
Actualy we were one of the first clans of Rajputs to accept Islam!
Alpha1

so you mean you are a rajput convert??

please tell me your vansh/gotra and where your kul devi temple is.
i mean like name of the clan or something

 

[sayareakd]

Mods. Pls make this sticky thread........................

 

[Virendra]

@Alpha1 Well in my case they were converted by Muhhammad bin Qasim's Army.
Actualy we were one of the first clans of Rajputs to accept Islam!
Alpha1

so you mean you are a rajput convert??

please tell me your vansh/gotra and where your kul devi temple is.
i mean like name of the clan or something

He wouldn't remember .. lets just say that those are Kufr concepts. As bennedose said .. it is a case of schizophrenia and identity crisis.

 

[Bilal]

Firstly lets get your facts straight,The drone strikes are done by punjabi army on the pakhtun populations living in KPK,the punjabis cant enter baluch areas or pakhtun areas themselves so this is second best for them.