Pakistani Military Developments/feb-june 09

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  1. EnlightenedMonk

    EnlightenedMonk Member of The Month JULY 2009 Senior Member

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    Boss... so you're saying that you won't fight the Taliban in SWAT, but will continue to fight them elsewhere.. doesn't that appear like an unsustainable situation to you???

    So essentially, you're in bed with the Taliban in SWAT, but you're fighting with daggers everywhere else???

    It's like saying that I'll be friendly with my wife at home and then abuse, humiliate and fight with her when I'm out of the house. Do you think such a marriage would be sustainable???
     
  2. musalman

    musalman پاکستان زنده باد

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    Taleban in SWAT are not actually Taleban they are Sufi Muhammad clan. Govt brand them as Taleban but not all are Taleban :)
     
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    EnlightenedMonk Member of The Month JULY 2009 Senior Member

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    Okay. So Sufi Mohammad and his followers are peaceful people? They won't want an Islamic state and other such things? They won't want to attack India and venge the "atrocities" of infidels on the muslim world (to quote typical lingo) ??
     
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    musalman پاکستان زنده باد

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    Yes they are peaceful. Yes they want Islamic Law in Swat. They are least concerned about world outside Swat
     
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    EnlightenedMonk Member of The Month JULY 2009 Senior Member

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    Good... That's a big relief... but, are you quite sure that they won't go the Taliban way??? That is, abusing women, wanting Jihad and things like that?? What makes you think that these are docile harmless people???

    Personally, I think they're tribals and so they're dangerous. Tribals in your country haven't had a very good track record against the Taliban, to be frank with you.

    Also, what are the chances of the Taliban pressurising the Sufi Mohammad clan to follow their instructions? Any chances of that??

    :):):)
     
  6. nitesh

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    I disagree with you on this comment, please check this:

    http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=163004

    Nizam-e-adl: what next for the Taliban?
    Tuesday, February 17, 2009
    Asad Munir

    Only time will tell whether the peace deal signed in Swat bears fruit and brings lasting peace to the valley. In this regard, however, it may be worthwhile to give readers a background into the origins of the Taliban in Pakistan. Also, it will be seen that the nizam-e-adl regulation agreed to now is similar to what Sufi Mohammad's Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat Mohammadi (TNSM) had announced on its own way back in November 1994. Coincidentally – or perhaps not – that was also the month when the Taliban captured Kandahar.

    Mullah Omer started his Taliban movement with less than 50 madressah students and after the fall of Kandahar, thousands from Pakistani madressahs rushed to join the new force and by December 1994 he had a force of 12,000. A new phenomenon had been created in Pashtun society – that of madressah students and mullahs, with guns in their hands, ruling the Pashtuns. In Pashtun society no clear role is defined for religious functionaries in the social system. Government officials posted in these areas and the Maliks/Khans are considered leaders, who get legitimacy from the authority they exercise on behalf of the state, with religious functionaries given a limited role of dealing with rituals.

    Throughout the region's history, the religious leaders had wanted a greater role for themselves in decision-making and that is why the area often saw uprisings led by religious personalities. The latter had hold of the leadership as long as the war/jihad was on but once the conflict was over, it reverted to the Maliks and Khans. The present Talibanisation is not just a movement for enforcement of Sharia; the mullahs want power, authority and a defined role in decision making in the social system of Pashtun society.

    Events and political happenings in Afghanistan have always had some impact on NWFP in general and FATA in particular. The Durand line divided many tribes, and out of the seven tribal agencies, six have tribes on either side of the Durand line.

    As for Swat, it is neither a tribal area and nor does it border Afghanistan – so the question arises that why has it become a stronghold of extremists. Being a fertile area it always attracted invaders. Till the 10th century most of the population were followers of Buddhism and were very peaceful and docile people. In the 16th century the Yousafzai tribe captured the valley. The area was divided between various sub-tribes. There was no central system of administration and the tribes resolved their disputes themselves. Except for a few years of central rule, this system continued till 1917, after which different tribes elected a central leader and Swat emerged as an independent state. In 1926, the British accepted the state of Swat and the ruler was offered the title of Wali-e-Swat. He formed his own central administrative system with two types of courts functioning in the State. Courts headed by the religious scholars, known as qazi courts, and judicial courts headed by the area tehsildars. The qazi courts dealt with cases of divorce, inheritance and some other minor cases involving Sharia while all other disputes were referred to the tehsildar court. The appellate forum was that of a hakim, and a final appeal could be made to the wali. All this process took only one month. In those times the social problems were also not very complex so generally, the population was getting free and speedy justice.

    Dir and Bajaur were annexed by Pakistan in 1960 while Swat was merged in Pakistan in 1969. In 1975, these former independent states were declared as Provincially Administered Tribal Areas (PATA). These areas were then conferred the status of districts which meant that they also got district administration and police force. The judicial system, however, was based on jirgas and the executive authority of district magistrates. In 1992, on a petition of lawyers, the PATA regulations were abolished by the courts. However, surprisingly no alternative system was put as a replacement and this created a judicial void which created unrest in the general public.

    And it was this void which then created the seeds for the Nov 1994 uprising by the TNSM. This led to violence and the TNSM took control of six districts. New rules for traffic were introduced and all kinds of transport were forced to move on the right side of the road, the left being deemed un-Islamic.:D This resulted in numerous road accidents. Men were made to wear watches on the right hand. :D A sitting MPA of the PPP, the then ruling party, was killed. It took the law-enforcement agencies more than a month to dislodge the militants and to regain control of these areas.

    As for the TNSM, it was formed by Sufi Mohammad in 1988. He himself is a simple and peaceful man who does not preach violence except in the way of jihad against non- Muslims.:eek::confused: However, he does not have the leadership qualities and capabilities to control large movements. In the 1994 movement, besides the TNSM, many other elements also joined in and they included gangs of car-lifters, the timber mafia, farmers who had disputes with Khans, loan defaulters, smugglers and many other anti-social elements. Because of the violence, the then provincial government introduced the Nizam-e-Adal regulation in Malakand division in December 1994 and established qazi courts thereafter in 1995.

    Besides the TNSM factor, there are other actors in Swat. In the aftermath of 9/11, many of the foreigners who fled Afghanistan crossed over to Pakistan and took refuge in many parts of the country. Quite a few landed up in Swat and they were joined by others more recently after the recent military operation in Bajaur agency. Another factor that may have contributed is the landless farmers who, during Bhutto's era, took possession of lands which belonged to the Khans of the area -- Matta tehsil of Swat was the most affected in this regard.

    In case a focused strategy is evolved and pursued to a logical conclusion, the situation in both, FATA and Swat can be brought to normalcy if the following steps are taken: To develop consensus of civil society, all political parties, the media and all segments of society and the general public need to be educated that Talibanisation is a real and serious threat to the country and that if nothing is done to stop its advance then the anarchy will spread across the length and breadth of the country.

    As for Sufi Mohammad's demand for the establishment of an appellate court, this has already been done now. It should be noted however that the Adal act was already in place and so the establishment of an appellate court is not exactly a major milestone. One effect that the government will be hoping for is that Fazlullah may be sidelined or isolated to some extent because the people will see Sufi Mohammad as being the motivating force for the new system. At the same time, however, the governments should continue with targeted operations which should be conducted against the real terrorists through accurate intelligence. Once an area is cleared of militants, troops should remain stationed in it, so as to re-take control over all troubled areas in the district.

    The office of the DC/district magistrate should be restored with its original powers. This will allow the return of local administration. Compensation should be paid immediately for damage caused to public and private property. Special funds should be provided by the federal government for reconstructing all damaged and/or destroyed schools. An army garrison should be established in Swat and should have the size of a brigade. The headquarters of the Swat Scouts should be shifted from Warsak to Kanju. The scouts should be reorganized into five wings corps and also FC posts should be set up in all suitable areas. The strength of the police force should be increased and the Frontier Constabulary should be deployed wherever required.

    The local people who are against the present violence should be provided security. Their resistance against the militants can be maintained only if they believe that the government is serious in eliminating the Taliban. Also, the judicial system should be made more effective by taking suitable steps for making provision of justice both speedy and affordable.

    Negotiations with terrorists should be held on a two-point agenda: that they surrender and lay down their arms and that their leaders give an undertaking that they will not run a parallel administration and not interfere in the state's domain. If these conditions are accepted, and a monitoring system put in place confirms that they are being adhered to then a general amnesty to those not involved in heinous crimes could be considered.



    The writer is a former brigadier who served as chief of military intelligence and of the ISI for NWFP, FATA and the Northern Areas. He also commanded the Dir Scouts and raised and commanded the Swat Scouts. Email: [email protected]
     
  7. musalman

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    Sufi Mohammad camp was infront of Mingora Degree College for Woman for past 2 years. During this time classes were on and college education for woman was no disrupted.
     
  8. EnlightenedMonk

    EnlightenedMonk Member of The Month JULY 2009 Senior Member

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    Thanks for putting accross your point musalman... we need more like you from Pakistan here...
    :):):):)
     
  9. EnlightenedMonk

    EnlightenedMonk Member of The Month JULY 2009 Senior Member

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    And, if what you're saying is true, then we need more like the Sufi Mohammad camp in Pakistan to bring stability in the region and peace to your country...

    Cheers !!!
    :):):)
     
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    PAKISTAN ARMY chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani's warning to President Asif Ali Zardari on Monday (March 9) to set the house in order has once again raised the spectacle of an army coup in the neighbouring country.

    http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=15751684

    Highly placed sources said that the Pak general is reported to have asked Zardari to clean up the mess in the country soon. He is also believed to have told him to resolve the political issues plaguing the country particularly the reinstatement of judges before March 16.

    Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz (PML-N) and the lawyers are going on a protest on that day demanding the reinstatement of judges removed by former President Pervez Musharraf.

    Kayani's warning, sources said, comes in the wake of intense pressure put in by United States, which has asked the Pakistani army to control the situation in North Western Frontier Province.

    Meanwhile, Kayani's warning has sent the strategic and political circles into a spin as not many believe in Zardari's ability to manage the situation. Pakistan is standing on the brink of disaster as two major political parties, PML (N) and Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) cadres are fighting it out on the street.

    Terror groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba and Taliban are challenging the might of the government throughout the country. Pakistan army has been forced many times in the recent past to call for peace and ceasefire, not only due to lack of strength but also due to the fact that its cadres are opposed ideologically to fight against brother Muslims.

    The brazen attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in heart of Lahore also tells of the deteriorating law and order situation in the entire country.
    Whether this attack was orchestrated by terrorists or by an external agency is debatable, but it sent across the message that no one is safe in that country.
    Kayani's warning does not augur well for the nascent democratic government being lead by PPP chief. It seems that army generals as well the Americans have had enough of the political football being played by politicians.

    Zardari can manage to save the day by taking some drastic measures that might include strong action against the terror groups as well bringing back Nawaz Sharif into the political mainstream.

    If the Pakistan President fails to take this warning seriously then history might repeat in South Asia and army might come back to the corridors of power for the umpteenth time in the neighbouring country.
     
  11. nitesh

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    oops what is this now? Army giving warning to Government
     
  12. LETHALFORCE

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    this is how musharraff came to power but no warning given.
     
  13. EnlightenedMonk

    EnlightenedMonk Member of The Month JULY 2009 Senior Member

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    Zardari'd better run while he's still alive.

    I heard the Army is looking for a burial place near his wife's grave... hehehehe...
     
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    he knew what he was getting into, he lost his wife but he stole chose the same path.
     
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    Troops destroy militant hideouts in Uch district

    Tuesday, March 24, 2009

    QUETTA: Troops on Monday destroyed two hideouts in Balochistan that were being used by militants and outlaws, officials said. A large quantity of weapons, rockets, explosives and communication equipment were found at the secret hideouts, a paramilitary spokesman said. The arms cache was destroyed, he added. The operation was launched in Uch district, some 270 kilometres southeast of Quetta, after two soldiers were kidnapped by rebels, the official said on condition of anonymity. “Our men were kidnapped three days ago while patrolling and during a search operation we found two camps used by miscreants but when we raided them they had already fled,” he said. “We have found a huge cache of arms, explosives, walkie talkies, and SIMs of Thuraya satellite phones from the camps,” he added. The New York Times reported last week that US President Barack Obama and his top aides are considering expanding covert operations against Taliban leaders to Balochistan, in and around Quetta. afp


    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\03\24\story_24-3-2009_pg7_9
     
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    http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Pakistan_asks_US_to_reconsider_missile_strikes_999.html

    Pakistan asks US to reconsider missile strikes

    by Staff Writers
    Islamabad (AFP) March 27, 2009
    Pakistan asked the United States Friday to reconsider missile strikes on its territory, hours before US President Barack Obama was to unveil a new strategy to defeat Al-Qaeda in south Asia.

    "It is important that the US administration factors this in (regarding) its operational policy," foreign ministry spokesman Abdul Basit said in a statement.

    "Pakistan's concerns in this regard have been conveyed to the US government at the highest level."

    Basit reiterated the government's position that "drone attacks on our territory are a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty and definitely counter-productive."

    Obama was Friday to announce a new strategy to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat" Al-Qaeda in safe havens in Afghanistan and Pakistan and deploy an extra 4,000 military trainers.

    US missile strikes anger many across nuclear-armed Pakistan and the government has warned that they risk a domestic blacklash in a country where more than 1,600 people have died in extremist bombings in less than two years.

    More than 35 such strikes have killed more than 340 people since August 2008, shortly before President Asif Ali Zardari was elected. A suspected US strike Wednesday killed up to seven alleged militants in a Taliban stronghold.

    The US military as a rule does not confirm drone attacks but the armed forces and the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operating in neighbouring Afghanistan are the only forces that deploy the aircraft in the region.

    Obama will formally announce a new strategy to members of the military and development workers who will serve in the two nations in coming months, as well as foreign ambassadors, at the White House on Friday.
     
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    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009/04/20/story_20-4-2009_pg3_1

    Editorial: Hangu attack and Pakistani mind


    The military perception is India-linked.
    According to this, India is being allowed by the US to dominate Afghanistan and thus saddle Pakistan with a two-front situation, which is not permissible in Pakistan’s strategic thinking. Therefore, it follows from this assumption that the US cannot ask Pakistan to fight the Taliban who attack Afghanistan across the Durand Line unless it helps Pakistan in pacifying the likes of Baitullah Mehsud. And the policy vis-à-vis the Pakistani Taliban is based on seeking peace through negotiation rather than through war. But the Pakistani Taliban will not relent unless the Americans leave Afghanistan, after which the Indians there will have to contend with a Pakistani response.

    Most Pakistanis believe that terrorism in the tribal areas and Balochistan is being fomented by India, although no proof has yet been made public about it. Pakistanis also look at America as their enemy which is determined to snatch Pakistan’s nuclear weapons and thus reduce Pakistan to a power of unequal status vis-à-vis India. Retired army officers used as experts of strategy by the TV channels throw in Israel and Mossad as the other destabilising factor in the equation. Given this situation, it is difficult to conceive how the state of Pakistan is morally and psychologically prepared to fight the man who kills its soldiers on a daily basis.
     
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    A very good article, Nitesh, a very good update,

    problem is that more need to be done from PA , how ever I think PA have to change itself, no civilian govt. can force a change on it.

    Regards
     

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