Pakistan will remain nuclear as long as India remains nuclear

Status
Not open for further replies.

farhan_9909

Tihar Jail
Banned
Joined
Aug 30, 2012
Messages
5,895
Likes
497
Pakistan blackmailing India over nukes?my Ass
if so was the case than why Pakistan doesnt consider that originates from India as a threat?
Why?

Why was pak All offensive in the past war's?when the conventional capability difference between pak and India was more than 10times while now the difference is not even twice
 

Razor

STABLE GENIUS
Senior Member
Joined
Feb 7, 2011
Messages
7,701
Likes
9,099
Country flag
Has any nation, once having obtained nuclear weapons, ever given them up?
South Africa and also Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
Brazil had a nuclear weapons program. Even now it is capable of building nukes but has chosen not to do so, as it may be detrimental to the relative peace in its neighborhood.
 
Last edited:

Razor

STABLE GENIUS
Senior Member
Joined
Feb 7, 2011
Messages
7,701
Likes
9,099
Country flag
The fact remains that the world's largest nuclear stockpile did not prevent Soviet Union's implosion. Pakistan does not realize that the immediate threat for Pakistan is internal.
What do nukes have to do with the USSR's dismantling ?

Anyway, when the Soviet Union collapsed it is believed that some nukes went on the black market. What do you think will happen if Pakistan descends into chaos, I think it'll be a nightmare scenario for India. Or do we have a plan ?
 

bennedose

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 21, 2013
Messages
1,365
Likes
2,169
A few years ago Pakistani leaders used to show off about how advanced the Pakistani space program was with SUPARI-CO. Not hearing much of that now. Wonder how many years it will take to find out that the nukes are also duds?
 

Yusuf

GUARDIAN
Super Mod
Joined
Mar 24, 2009
Messages
24,324
Likes
11,757
Country flag
A few years ago Pakistani leaders used to show off about how advanced the Pakistani space program was with SUPARI-CO. Not hearing much of that now. Wonder how many years it will take to find out that the nukes are also duds?
Their nukes being duds have been around for ages. I keep saying we need to call their bluff and not get blackmailed.
 

drkrn

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 15, 2010
Messages
2,455
Likes
902
It cannot be disputed that nuclear deterrence is the key strategic factor safeguarding Pakistan's national security. May 28 is a day of pride for Pakistan and the celebration of this day refers to the acknowledgement of all the scientists' efforts that went into making Pakistan more secure. This day is celebrated as a national day of significance that made Pakistan a member of an exclusive club of less than ten nuclear states.

In the West, Pakistan faced huge criticism, and being a Muslim state, its weapons were named 'Islamic bombs'. On the other hand, a wave of joy and exult pulsated through the Muslim world. It is without doubt that the attainment of nuclear weapons gave the nation renewed confidence as it ensured the security of the homeland because it was now at par with the 'enemy'.

Pakistan was long claiming that it did possess nuclear technology but did not intend to test the weapons. Initially, the country seemed to have been seeking only civilian nuclear capabilities and the civilian nuclear programme began with participation in the US Atoms for Peace initiative. We were a reluctant entrant in the nuclear weapons game.

Yet, after New Delhi's involvement in dismembering Pakistan's Eastern Wing and testing its nuclear weapons in 1974, Pakistan was left with literally no choice but to respond in kind and make up for the conventional arms weakness. Please make note that while India's nuclear programme is for prestige, Pakistan's is purely security driven. It is a right of self defence as enshrined in Article 51 of the United Nations Charter.

It was India who actually upset the balance of power and started the nuclear game in the region. These circumstances, however, prodded Pakistan to test nuclear weapons for deterrence and as an act to balance power. No country can overlook its security concerns and issues, and hence, Pakistan's nuclear weapons serve as the guarantors of peace in the region.

Some writers have recently contented that Pakistan's survival, in large measure, depends on economic performance, political stability, wise foreign policy, technological advancement, and in developing its civilian human resource potential rather than a nuclear prestige. However, one must keep in mind that though all these elements are essential in the stability of a nation, nuclear strength is a monumental milestone for a country in the modern world.

Nuclear weapons are not a source of Pakistan's economic deprivation but provide it safety to take economic strides and develop. If a nuclear programme can be pursued, so can economic progress; all we need is dedication and sincerity of purpose.

Unlike what many nations think, Pakistan's weapons are primarily "weapons of deterrence", not prestige. The short range delivery systems being developed are meant to plug the gaps Indian planners seek to exploit. Thus, Islamabad's full spectrum deterrence has upset Indian designs and has frustrated them.

Another rising trend amidst the political and security challenges of Pakistan is the misconception that the nuclear security here is weak. Some observers fear scenarios such as the capture of our nuclear weapons by the Taliban or a collapse of the Pakistani government resulting in the seizing of our weapons. Let me be clear that these are merely media speculations. Several US officials and other serious watchers of Pakistan's programme have expressed "comfort" with the security of the Pakistani nuclear arsenal. In fact, it is better than many others.

In conclusion then, I believe that improving the relationship between Islamabad and New Delhi and stabilising the region is the only way to avoid the rapid growth of the nuclear arms race in the region. We will obviously stop at a point where we feel we have enough to be able to deter India but whether the same applies to India is uncertain. Without nuclear weapons, our national security interests will always be in jeopardy and this is a lofty risk which we cannot take.

Pakistan will remain nuclear as long as India remains nuclear – The Express Tribune Blog
@farhan the question is not how long pakistan stays nuclear but how long will pakistan stay.
as you have stated above ever changing power dynamics in this region forced pakistan to become nuclear is point for no discussion and is true.but its current rate of nuclear missile systems development is far more than what it does need
yes pakistan's thirst for more nuclear systems is eating away your economy- few days back pakistan government gave a statement regarding recruitment of 25000 specially trained forces selectively for safe guarding of countries nuclear weapons,till now no nuclear state have done to my knowledge.and we all know about the current threat perspective pakistans nuclear weapons are facing

at the current rate of constructions of new reactors i feel pakistan is in no mood of stopping producing weapons grade plutonium in any near future

@farhan an old proverb-too much of any thing is bad
developing too many weapons give you no additional advantage with india but is an economic and human resource burden
 

drkrn

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 15, 2010
Messages
2,455
Likes
902
What do nukes have to do with the USSR's dismantling ?

Anyway, when the Soviet Union collapsed it is believed that some nukes went on the black market. What do you think will happen if Pakistan descends into chaos, I think it'll be a nightmare scenario for India. Or do we have a plan ?
when such thing happens that will be a night mare to the world as a whole not india alone.thats why all the world nations seems worried about pakistani nukes
 

drkrn

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 15, 2010
Messages
2,455
Likes
902
The USSR could not sustain the arms race. If India were to seriously start one, Pak will not e able to keep pace.
china too started an arms race in this region but we didn't respond similarly.we should know our pros and cons
 

arnabmit

Homo Communis Indus
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 25, 2012
Messages
6,242
Likes
7,522
Country flag
Please make note that while India's nuclear programme is for prestige, Pakistan's is purely security driven.
It was India who actually upset the balance of power and started the nuclear game in the region.
Lies abound as usual from Pakistan

:facepalm:

India's Nuke program is strictly security driven against China so that 1962 cannot be repeated again.

India did not "upset the balance of power and started the nuclear game in the region"... China did.
 

arnabmit

Homo Communis Indus
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 25, 2012
Messages
6,242
Likes
7,522
Country flag
as per reports Pakistan is now into a further bigger tritium production facilities.

Pakistan has tritium production on since the past 3 decades.
You know that you cannot fool us with your fairy tales... don't you?

Post such fairy tales in Paki forums where citizens look forward to such make-believe stories to survive through their otherwise bane of an grass eating existence.
 

p2prada

Senior Member
Joined
May 25, 2009
Messages
10,234
Likes
4,015
Please make note that while India's nuclear programme is for prestige, Pakistan's is purely security driven.
The Indian programme is for Bangladesh, oh, no, wait, was that Maldives...

Eh, no. After intense reading through hundreds of pages over the net I finally figured out it was for China actually. Damn how could I forget... :p

Someone has not done their research, Farhanji.

India has enough tritium to make US jealous!

:troll:
This is nostalgic.
 

arnabmit

Homo Communis Indus
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 25, 2012
Messages
6,242
Likes
7,522
Country flag
To add to above,

India can be the largest supplier of tritium for the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER), Atomic Energy Commission Chairman Anil Kakodkar said on Tuesday.

"Although we suffered a shortage of uranium, we are surplus in heavy water production and thus we can be the world supplier in tritium, which is crucial for the world's first fusion experimental reactor (ITER), in which India has an important role," Kakodkar said, on the occasion of 'Heavy Water Day' at Anushakti Nagar in Mumbai.

He also asked the Heavy Water Board, an arm of the Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) to be prepared for marketing one of its new ventures on Enriched Boron that will be used in Fast Breeder Reactors.

The Heavy Water Board has diversified into a variety of products and some of these are at the Research and Development stage while some are in the production stage including that of enriched Boron, sodium metal, oxygen 18 and several specialised solvents.

"After surplus production of heavy water, we may suffer a problem of plenty in case of Enriched Boron too," Kakodkar said adding, "India has enough Enriched Boron for the Prototype Fast Breeder Reactor that is coming up in Kalpakkam.

India can be largest supplier of tritium: Kakodkar - Indian Express Mobile
Interesting piece of history to underscore the importance of Heavy Water.

[video=youtube_share;GIIHzpzBErM]http://youtu.be/GIIHzpzBErM[/video]
 

arnabmit

Homo Communis Indus
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 25, 2012
Messages
6,242
Likes
7,522
Country flag
@p2prada have you somehow mastered the art of telepathy? :troll:
 
Last edited by a moderator:

sayareakd

Mod
Joined
Feb 17, 2009
Messages
17,734
Likes
18,951
Country flag
It cannot be disputed that nuclear deterrence is the key strategic factor safeguarding Pakistan's national security. May 28 is a day of pride for Pakistan and the celebration of this day refers to the acknowledgement of all the scientists' efforts that went into making Pakistan more secure. This day is celebrated as a national day of significance that made Pakistan a member of an exclusive club of less than ten nuclear states.
Lol, Pak has nukes in 1987 and now the writer has wake up in 1998.


In the West, Pakistan faced huge criticism, and being a Muslim state, its weapons were named 'Islamic bombs'. On the other hand, a wave of joy and exult pulsated through the Muslim world. It is without doubt that the attainment of nuclear weapons gave the nation renewed confidence as it ensured the security of the homeland because it was now at par with the 'enemy'.
In Kargil, nukes have not come to help them, as they lost Kargil war even with nukes.

Pakistan was long claiming that it did possess nuclear technology but did not intend to test the weapons. Initially, the country seemed to have been seeking only civilian nuclear capabilities and the civilian nuclear programme began with participation in the US Atoms for Peace initiative. We were a reluctant entrant in the nuclear weapons game.

Yet, after New Delhi's involvement in dismembering Pakistan's Eastern Wing and testing its nuclear weapons in 1974, Pakistan was left with literally no choice but to respond in kind and make up for the conventional arms weakness. Please make note that while India's nuclear programme is for prestige, Pakistan's is purely security driven. It is a right of self defence as enshrined in Article 51 of the United Nations Charter.
Write has no idea about the history of subcontinent, in 1971, when US threatened us 1971 US threatens india with 7th fleet, decision was taken to go nuclear and in 1974 we conducted nuclear test.



It was India who actually upset the balance of power and started the nuclear game in the region. These circumstances, however, prodded Pakistan to test nuclear weapons for deterrence and as an act to balance power. No country can overlook its security concerns and issues, and hence, Pakistan's nuclear weapons serve as the guarantors of peace in the region.
India has to take care of China, not just Pakistan


Some writers have recently contented that Pakistan's survival, in large measure, depends on economic performance, political stability, wise foreign policy, technological advancement, and in developing its civilian human resource potential rather than a nuclear prestige. However, one must keep in mind that though all these elements are essential in the stability of a nation, nuclear strength is a monumental milestone for a country in the modern world.
We have seen all those pics of missiles and nuke test mountain site as example pf prestige only


Nuclear weapons are not a source of Pakistan's economic deprivation but provide it safety to take economic strides and develop. If a nuclear programme can be pursued, so can economic progress; all we need is dedication and sincerity of purpose.
Pakistan is neck deep in economic mess, more then 50% of expenditure is in interest payment and defence.

Unlike what many nations think, Pakistan's weapons are primarily "weapons of deterrence", not prestige. The short range delivery systems being developed are meant to plug the gaps Indian planners seek to exploit. Thus, Islamabad's full spectrum deterrence has upset Indian designs and has frustrated them.
Nukes has not guarantee peace for Pakistan, daily bomb blast are proof of that, about prestige mention above.


Another rising trend amidst the political and security challenges of Pakistan is the misconception that the nuclear security here is weak. Some observers fear scenarios such as the capture of our nuclear weapons by the Taliban or a collapse of the Pakistani government resulting in the seizing of our weapons. Let me be clear that these are merely media speculations. Several US officials and other serious watchers of Pakistan's programme have expressed "comfort" with the security of the Pakistani nuclear arsenal. In fact, it is better than many others.
Those same US exports have made up plans to snatch Pakistani nukes that speaks for itself.

In conclusion then, I believe that improving the relationship between Islamabad and New Delhi and stabilising the region is the only way to avoid the rapid growth of the nuclear arms race in the region. We will obviously stop at a point where we feel we have enough to be able to deter India but whether the same applies to India is uncertain. Without nuclear weapons, our national security interests will always be in jeopardy and this is a lofty risk which we cannot take.

Pakistan will remain nuclear as long as India remains nuclear – The Express Tribune Blog
Lol, he has conclude the article, but does not say anything about the title of the article...........
 

arnabmit

Homo Communis Indus
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 25, 2012
Messages
6,242
Likes
7,522
Country flag
Pakistan blackmailing India over nukes?my Ass
if so was the case than why Pakistan doesnt consider that originates from India as a threat?
Why?

Why was pak All offensive in the past war's?when the conventional capability difference between pak and India was more than 10times while now the difference is not even twice
Why do mosquitoes swarm an elephant when a single casual swing of its trunk can kill 100s of the mosquito swarm? Same logic, Same results.

Zia wanted to bleed India through a thousand cuts... all it has managed to do is to cause mild discomfort to India via a thousand mosquito bites.
 

arnabmit

Homo Communis Indus
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 25, 2012
Messages
6,242
Likes
7,522
Country flag
What do nukes have to do with the USSR's dismantling ?

Anyway, when the Soviet Union collapsed it is believed that some nukes went on the black market. What do you think will happen if Pakistan descends into chaos, I think it'll be a nightmare scenario for India. Or do we have a plan ?
If that happens, unless Hafeez Sayed gets them, the rogue nukes would be a bigger threat to US, Iran & Israel than India.

A rogue nuke explosion in India will forever loose ground for Kashmiri pro-paki separatists.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest Replies

Global Defence

New threads

Articles

Top