Pakistan wants to join Nuclear Suppliers Group

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Pakistan wants to join Nuclear Suppliers Group – The Express Tribune

ISLAMABAD:

Pakistan has offered to join four nuclear export control regimes, including the Nuclear Suppliers Group, if the international community recognises it as a nuclear weapons state, but remains unwilling to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

At a meeting in Islamabad on Thursday, the country's top political and military leadership said Pakistan wished to be part of global non-proliferation efforts but only if it was accepted as a nuclear weapons state.

"The National Command Authority reiterated Pakistan's desire to constructively contribute to the realisation of a world free of nuclear weapons and to the goals of non-proliferation on the basis of equality and partnership with the international community," said a statement issued after the meeting.

Chaired by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, the meeting was attended by all services chiefs and the head of the Strategic Plans Division (SPD), an institution that manages the nuclear infrastructure and deals with its safety.
The vaguely-drafted statement by the prime minister's office said Pakistan was "keen to join four export control arrangements" without giving any specific details.

Foreign Office spokeswoman Tehmina Janjua later told The Express Tribune that Pakistan was willing to join four 'technology cartels' that control the international trade of nuclear and missile technologies: the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), the Australia and the Wassenaar groups.
The MTCR and the NSG deal with the international trade of missile and nuclear technologies while the Australia and the Wassenaar groups manage trade in conventional small weapons and various materials used in the manufacturing of arms respectively.

Janjua said Pakistan's 'principled' position on Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) was the same. About NPT, she added that Islamabad considered it as a 'discriminatory' arrangement and will not sign the CTBT unless the United States and India do the same.
Power generation

As part of the energy security strategy, the NCA reviewed and approved the Nuclear Power Programme 2050, a plan to use nuclear energy to meet the existing electricity shortfalls and to respond to the future requirements of a growing population and economy.

The NCA also approved the Space Programme 2040, the statement added, though it did not specify any further details about the programme.

Nuclear safety

The meeting appeared to be playing down what it referred to as 'hyped' international fears about the safety and security of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. However, the prime minister did admit there were 'concerns' after a secret American raid inside the country to kill Osama bin Laden and a subsequent militant attack on a Karachi naval facility.
But Gilani said that 'campaigns' of foreign entities casting doubts over the safety of the country's nuclear arsenal would never stop Pakistan from seeking a minimum deterrence and pursuing a strategic programme.
According to the statement, the NCA expressed satisfaction at the security and safety of Pakistan's strategic programmes and facilities. It also expressed confidence in the operational readiness of Pakistan's strategic weapons.
 

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If nuclear proliferator Pakistan is given an equal footing with India in joining the Nuclear Suppliers Group, then it will mean that India has gained nothing by not proliferating. That means that India should proliferate as well. Pakistan has rampantly proliferated, and therefore granting it the same status as non-proliferator India means that its proliferation activities have been legitimized by sweeping them under the rug.

Therefore, India's only choice would be to become a proliferator itself, and furthermore it should move to conduct thermonuclear tests.
 
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China -Pak nuke deal not questioned US- India nuke deal finished. India's NSG waiver thrown out and India's NSG membership status blocked by China.
 

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A price must be paid for this backstab. We cannot go back to relations as they were before, and pretend nothing has happened.

It's time to proliferate, and it's time to conduct thermonuclear testing.
 
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A price must be paid for this backstab. We cannot go back to relations as they were before, and pretend nothing has happened.

It's time to proliferate, and it's time to conduct thermonuclear testing.
The best revenge would be to announce we have a large indigenous uranium find and no longer need this deal. what a waste of time.
 

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We have always had enough indigenous uranium to support both weapons development and the domestic energy program. It's simply been a lack of will in exploiting the available domestic natural resources.

There are plenty of places where mining could be done, but the govt doesn't care enough to do so.
 

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We have always had enough indigenous uranium to support both weapons development and the domestic energy program. It's simply been a lack of will in exploiting the available domestic natural resources.

There are plenty of places where mining could be done, but the govt doesn't care enough to do so.
as I understand pakistan has not been included into the NSG. and I'm not sure they will ever be included either.
 

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There are many closed door jokes in Pakistan. This is one of them.
 

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If this is granted, thermonuclear tests are the next step followed by supplying of nuclear weapons to Vietnam. If they want to play the conga with us, they will have to pay with dire consequences as well. A country with proven reserves of radicalized terrorists not to mention their indefinite supply, a failed state, a corrupt government and a sinking economy has the audacity to even ask for this; this itself shows what the world thinks of spineless Indian government and its shameless self-destructive weakness.

Once the Thorium reactor making is successfully tested, we have one of the topmost reserves of Thorium around the world to keep ur power supplies last longer. I am sure there are backchannels through which we can acquire further ENR tech from Russians and possibly French--- if we know how to tweak major defense deals promised converted into geo-political international favors (if you know what I mean). But this bastard UPA government is only interested in hoarding national wealth and doing NOTHING for this country.

Until this government DIES, nothing of the above sort is possible.

WTF is going on?

- NO terrorist country status to Pakistan
- No sanctions against Pakistan
- No voice against Pak-China nuclear deal (despite the spread of nuclear weapons by Pakistani scientists and generals)
- ENR conditions changed for us (despite our excellent track record)
- Nuclear deal with Japanese in a limbo (and with US by extension)
- Changed conditions of NSG just for India.

Time to go for that thermonuclear megaton range testing as well as re-opening the Surya ICBM testing that was on hold to impress UPA's foreign masters. If China can supply nukes to Pakistan, we should supply nukes to Vietnam. After all, it is being bullied by Chinese as well and has full right to defend itself.


Here's a useful article I am quoting to highlight GOI's slave mentality:

In a closed-door discussion here on Thursday, a leading authority on China's military modernisation explained how that country's People's Liberation Army (PLA, the term embraces navy and air force, too) has transformed into a top-rung, largely indigenously equipped force in barely a decade, even as India's military languishes as the world's biggest importer of defence equipment.

Tai Ming Cheung, who spoke to the Institute of Defence Studies and Analysis, is a professor working with the US Pentagon's Minerva Project, in which academics like him pore over Beijing's Chinese-language releases to track military and technological developments within the PLA.


Tai noted both China and India were "catch-up countries", attempting a technological leapfrog by taking just decades to reach a technology level that Western countries had taken more than a century to achieve. China still trails the US and western European powers, but is catching up fast, powered by an official science & technology (S&T) roadmap that the leadership backs. From a global innovativeness ranking of 24 in 2004, China jumped to six in 2009. It now targets fifth place by 2020, with global leadership in the high-tech arenas of space, nuclear, information technology and biotechnology. By 2040-50, China aims at S&T parity with the US.

"Until the late 1990s, the Chinese approach to defence S&T was in a much worse state than what India is in today. They have been able to deal with a lot of these issues in the last decade alone," says Tai.

The change

India largely plays by established rules — technology denial regimes, and an intellectual property rights (IPR) regime to safeguard technology leads. While, China has benefited from its willingness to defy rules. Beijing's opportunism was evident in the early 1990s, from its large-scale recruitment of out-of-work scientists from the former Soviet Union. Its careful strategising is evident from an innovation plan endorsed and pushed from the highest levels of the political and military leadership.

"Hu Jintao (the Chinese president) always talks about S&T being a key component of the race for comprehensive national strength. China sees S&T as a zero-sum game; they can't afford to depend upon foreign countries for critical technologies. Stealing, reverse engineering and cloning is acceptable," says Tai.

At the start of the 21st century, in its first step towards becoming an innovative military builder, China embarked on a process of "creative adaptation". Using its imitative capabilities, its aerospace industry indigenised critical parts of the Russian Sukhoi-27 fighter (an earlier version of India's Su-30MKI), developing it into the "indigenous" J-11B fighter. In this high-end imitation, the basic platform remained Russian but key avionics, including the fire control system, were Chinese.

"It is all about being able to absorb technology from outside," says Tai. "In catch-up countries, it is initially all about absorptive capacity, not about invention. The equipment has already been built elsewhere."

Emboldened by Russia's passive acceptance of the Su-27 IPR violations, China embarked upon its innovation path, the first step of which was 'incremental innovation'. As evident from the J-10A, still China's frontline fighter, this involves developing a basic platform and then incrementally indigenising and improving it, batch by batch. The J-10A initially contained many Russian and Israeli components, which the Chinese gradually indigenised.


From here, China moved to 'architectural innovation', transforming existing systems by rearranging their architecture. A commercial example is the iPad. Most of its components had been around for a while, but Apple rearranged these into a radical new product. In a similar way, Chinese engineers juggled existing technologies to build a missile that specifically targeted US Navy aircraft carriers, the Dong Feng 21B anti-ship ballistic missile. The DF-21B has surprised US defence planners not just technologically but also operationally, forcing them to cater to a completely new operational threat.

The third level of innovation, with which China is currently struggling, is 'component innovation'. In this, improved components — microprocessors, precision engineered parts, digital components, etc — are used to improve platform efficiency. But this requires advanced scientific and technological skills, making such innovation difficult for a catch-up country.

"The Chinese have not been able to develop a world-class turbofan engine; their microprocessor capabilities are still relatively poor. So, they don't yet qualify as a component innovator," says Tai.

But on January 11 this year, when the Chinese J-20 stealth fighter made its first flight, there was a global firestorm of speculation that China had conducted a coup in "disruptive innovation". This ultimate form of innovation combines architectural with component innovation, assembling improved components into a creative new design. But Tai dismisses such talk: "The J-20 is not really a "disruptive innovation". It lacks the component level innovations and is, therefore, merely an architectural innovation."

Contrast

Nevertheless, China's defence industry has achieved major recent successes, triggered by its restructuring at the end of the 20th century. Earlier, the Chinese defence industry was separated, Soviet style, between research and development (R&D) and manufacturing units. When the R&D developed a product, the defence industrial ministry — called the Commission for Science, Technology and Industry for National Defence (Costin) —would assign a factory to build the equipment. But when the factory got the blueprints, there was confusion because they had not been involved in the design.

"The Chinese leadership saw that this did not help the national interest; it only helped the defence industry. One of the first reforms was to overturn the power of Costin and allow the military a central role in overseeing the defence industry. If you don't have end-users, particularly war fighters and the acquisitions community, playing a central role, then you're not going to have innovation. If you're just going to have industry administrators, then they are going to be looking just at their interests," says Tai.

The result has been surging growth in the innovativeness of Chinese defence industry. In 1998, they filed for 313 patents. In 2008, it had gone up to 11,000 patents. In 2010, 15,000 patents were applied for.


India's defence industry today mirrors its Chinese counterpart in 1998. The R&D element (the DRDO) functions separately from the manufacturing element (the defence PSUs). India's military has little say, and no oversight, in what is researched and manufactured. And the Indian ministry of defence's department of defence production is an accurate mirror image of China's Costin, pushing back the innovative private sector to safeguard the interests of the state-owned enterprises.
Time to change all of this: we need to start hunting.
 
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How we all knew this was coming.
Next up, all nations except US,Russia,France,UK,China,Pakistan would be asked to disarm for world peace.
NK and Iran don't count because they don't have "proven" nuclear capabilities.

If Pakistan gets NSG membership, regardless India gets it or not and the government does not respond by either a long range ICBM or a high yield TN test, I am not voting for UPA all my life, commies maybe, but not UPA.
 

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Pakistan wants to join NSG and three other groupings
I want to be the UN Secretary General. :pound:
 
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- NO terrorist country status to Pakistan
- No sanctions against Pakistan
Lol..Realistically what can India do ? Tell me honestly. The best we can do is NOT talk to them.Other than that unless US thinks so, nothing can be done on this.

- No voice against Pak-China nuclear deal (despite the spread of nuclear weapons by Pakistani scientists and generals)
Well we made the noises, but again the Chinis successfully argued that the deal was grand-fathered and hence no body could stop it.

- ENR conditions changed for us (despite our excellent track record)
Well I will wait for some tuime before commenting on this as Russia,France have assured "full" co-operation.

- Nuclear deal with Japanese in a limbo (and with US by extension)
I hope you know why the deal with US in in limbo and I fully support that. We cannotallow a repeat of Bhopal disaster in India again.

I have no love lost for UPA, but lets be honest.
 

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Pakistan does not ned to join that group it is alrwady well within the "Terror Suppliers Group."
 

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The first para of the report itself is laughable. "Pakistan has offered to join the NSG if it is recognized as NWS!!

Its like NSG has been pestering it to join and on its knees. So now Pak is "OFFERING" to join IF blah blah.
Nice joke.
 

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How we all knew this was coming.
Next up, all nations except US,Russia,France,UK,China,Pakistan would be asked to disarm for world peace.
NK and Iran don't count because they don't have "proven" nuclear capabilities.

If Pakistan gets NSG membership, regardless India gets it or not and the government does not respond by either a long range ICBM or a high yield TN test, I am not voting for UPA all my life, commies maybe, but not UPA.
Whats the relation between the report and in India ICBM or a TN test?

If India after all its efforts still finds it that difficult to get into NSG, do you think the NSG will accept the "OFFER (he he)" by Pakistan to join?
 

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All they can get is cheap quality nuclear supply from their chine bro's isn't it:pound::pound::pound::pound:
 

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What Pakistan needs to understand is that NSG is a group of countries which have the ability to either supply nuclear raw material like Uranium or hi tech nuclear equipments. What is Pakistans capability on both these fronts when the only thing pak can do is follow chinese bomb desings and source material from the blackmarket. What does Pak bring to the table of the NSG?

Pakistan needs to create another group: NPG.. Nuclear Proliferators Group.
 

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