Pakistan: The demon the West created

[trackwhack]

I would rather have the whole indian subcontinent self-destruct and reborn from its ashes like phoenix.

This side of the Indian sub-continent has been emerging like we are capable of for sometime now. Your side just keeps falling deeper into the abyss. Its only envy that makes you say that you want the entire sub continent destroyed. And I fear that same envy exists in every Paki. And one day one of you idiots will hit the red button in panic thinking he is ensuring the destruction of everything Indian.

However I doubt you will be able to even scar us forget destroy, while on the other hand you know what will happen to you.

 

[Dovah]

I would rather have the whole indian subcontinent self-destruct and reborn from its ashes like phoenix.

Blowing yourself up would be a good start.

 

[ani82v]

I would rather have the whole indian subcontinent self-destruct and reborn from its ashes like phoenix.

Why do you always so keen on wearing suicide vests in your arguments??

 

[ajtr]

This side of the Indian sub-continent has been emerging like we are capable of for sometime now. Your side just keeps falling deeper into the abyss. Its only envy that makes you say that you want the entire sub continent destroyed. And I fear that same envy exists in every Paki. And one day one of you idiots will hit the red button in panic thinking he is ensuring the destruction of everything Indian.

East side of wagha has not evolved as indians try to make out to the world.It is still like premature baby on incubator even after 66yrs as the biblical style of exodus has shown to the world that india is fighting for its survival just like pakistan is.But then indians being like an ostrich blame everything on pakistan instead of addressing the underlying strong currents with in its society.

However I doubt you will be able to even scar us forget destroy, while on the other hand you know what will happen to you.

Fear of destruction is validated by 2001 ,kargil,and 2008,Now you are reduced to lobbing only dossiers.

 

[bose]

East side of wagha has not evolved as indians try to make out to the world.It is still like premature baby on incubator even after 66yrs as the biblical style of exodus has shown to the world that india is fighting for its survival just like pakistan is.But then indians being like an ostrich blame everything on pakistan instead of addressing the underlying strong currents with in its society.

Fear of destruction is validated by 2001 ,kargil,and 2008,Now you are reduced to lobbing only dossiers.

Not really, those are for diffferent audience, actual actions are seen at Mehran and Chaklala airbase, you sit and enjoy many more in comming months

 

[trackwhack]

East side of wagha has not evolved as indians try to make out to the world.It is still like premature baby on incubator even after 66yrs as the biblical style of exodus has shown to the world that india is fighting for its survival just like pakistan is.But then indians being like an ostrich blame everything on pakistan instead of addressing the underlying strong currents with in its society.

Fear of destruction is validated by 2001 ,kargil,and 2008,Now you are reduced to lobbing only dossiers.

why am I getting into a pissing match with a paki?

 

[Apollyon]

Fear of destruction is validated by 2001 ,kargil,and 2008,Now you are reduced to lobbing only dossiers.

Going for a war with useless Pakistan will take us Indians aback Economically while it will not affect you people because you are already on the verge of bankruptcy.

attention seeking bhikari

 

[blank_quest]

why am I getting into a pissing match with a paki?

just .. why don't you reply "bitch please".period.

 

[Energon]

It is entirely fair to hold the USA responsible for the Pakistan disaster; however the exact nature of the blame needs to be clarified. If you divide Pakistan's failure into three factors: social (radicalization, violence etc.), economic and political the USA is primarily responsible for the last one.

The USA didn't radicalize Pakistan or make it a hub of bizarre Islamic ideology. Radicalization in Pakistan began in the 70s under Bhutto's tutelage probably as a reflex to the military defeat to India. Furthermore, Zia had a very clear vision about establishing a radicalized version of Islam (which he himself identified with) and using it as a political and military tool to define Pakistan's domestic and foreign policy. American involvement merely served as a catalyst. Saudi Arabia too found a willing victim in Pakistan to offload it's own problems. Pakistan would have radicalized anyways because the movement was primarily ideological (where the USA had no leverage) and also the actual set up wasn't something that required a heavy investment of capital which could only come from the USA. The USA was however guilty of solidifying political destabilization in Pakistan through the utterly irresponsible proliferation of cash. Most of this money wasn't funneled into the Islamist cause, it was siphoned off by the military. The massive cash windfall along with American favor enabled the already dominant military to finally establish itself as the state within the state thereby giving it the definitive advantage over all other institutions.

East side of wagha has not evolved as indians try to make out to the world.It is still like premature baby on incubator

This is true, India's rise has a huge hype component. However if you're compare India and Pakistan, the picture is totally divergent. India got the fundamentals right and its stunted growth is actually engineered by its government that goes out of its way to sabotage impending progress in order to retain its power over the people. Even the economic "boom" since the 90s wasn't a miracle, it was simply a byproduct of the government's short term loss of control which unleashed preexisting potential. India does not lack the means to become a far more developed nation, it only lacks the ability to overcome the impediment imposed upon it by a ruling class desperately trying to hold on to power. This however cannot last forever.

Pakistan on the other hand lacks the foundation to become a stable state due to a string of horrible tragedies. There'll have to be a serious overhaul in order to change this.

All in all however, South Asia is one of the world's most underdeveloped regions and this will not change until India unleashes its potential.

***I just realized that I have taken this discussion off track. This is not an india vs pak topic ***

 

[Bhadra]

The USA didn't radicalize Pakistan or make it a hub of bizarre Islamic ideology

What a lie ! The fundamentalist Islamic radicalization of Pakistan and decimations of socio polical institutions occurred due to US drive to oust Soviet Union from Afghanistan. All radical groups and zia is the product of direct US support, funding and policies. including Osama Bin Laden.

Pakistan on the other hand lacks the foundation to become a stable state due to a string of horrible tragedies. There'll have to be a serious overhaul in order to change this.

It has Islam and USA with it and that is enough to be everything !

 

[Energon]

Waht a lie ! The fundamenatlist Islamic radicalization of Pakistan and decimations of socio polical institutions occurred due to US drive to oust Soviet Union from Afghanistan. All radical groups and zia is the product of direct US support, funding and policies. including Osama Bin Laden.

Only the highlighted part can be attributed directly the US. The foundation of and motivation for Islamic radicalization was independent of the USA. And no, OBL financed his own campaign.

 

[Bhadra]

East side of wagha has not evolved as indians try to make out to the world.It is still like premature baby on incubator even after 66yrs as the biblical style of exodus has shown to the world that india is fighting for its survival just like pakistan is.But then indians being like an ostrich blame everything on pakistan instead of addressing the underlying strong currents with in its society.

Fear of destruction is validated by 2001 ,kargil,and 2008,Now you are reduced to lobbing only dossiers.

It is because of the lay of the land initial lack of water. The Malwas and Doab regions traditionally have been the most backward dry regions of Punjab. It is only after a lot of effeort and only after Bhakra Dam coming up that the region has come up.

The extensive irrigation canals network that the British had made with Indian money was gifted to the loyal Pakistan. Pakistan claimed its economic betterment on this British gift for many years.... and subsequently on WB generous funding...
There is nothing Pakistani about it...

 

[A chauhan]

Re:

The Islamic radicalization was started even before the creation of Pakistan which is the sole reason behind the present status of Pakistan. Kolkata riots and Punjab riots are proofs of it.

British succeeded here after 3rd or 2nd Panipat war, till then the country was ruled by Hindu Maratha Kings, the great 'mighty' Mughals were defeated by them, and India was largely ruled by Hindus which Muslims were unable to digest, and their complex, of loosing the empire which they gained through invasion and encroachment; by Hindus was still alive in their subconscious mind, they had forgotten that they were invaders but they used to feel that it was their country and not Hindu's.

This complex caused a sense of disatisfaction, imagined insecurity of living under Hindu majority, and false sense of racial superiority started a radicalization in them, and a false sense of victimhood evolved.

And this false victimhood + radicalization is the reason behind the terror culture of today's Pakistan. Now it has turned into the Satan of 21st century !

How come west is responsible for it? They became demon because they wanted so !

 

[A chauhan]

The point is not that US radicalized Pakistan but Pakistan wanted to be radicalized !

 

[Cliff@sea]

am i correct in presuming that the reason Paki Trolls are flocking here is coz their own site is down ?
Or perhaps due to the Lack of Indian traffic which is the Life blood of any meaningful discussions that take place on their forums.

 

[Nagraj]

West: the veil used by pakistan to hide it's Demonic intension

 

[Nagraj]

Only the highlighted part can be attributed directly the US. The foundation of and motivation for Islamic radicalization was independent of the USA. And no, OBL financed his own campaign.

most of it came from America's staunch ally Saudi arabia.
as did most of the 9/11 bombers.

 

[SADAKHUSH]

What you guys are saying is Pakistan as a failed state and going to be divided. They are not going to be divided soon. If things go really bad, China won't allow it. For China, Pakistan means a lot and that's why West don't want stable Pakistan as they want to indirectly affect China Pakistan is their shortest and safe access .to Gulf and Africa . in latter China has already made a huge investment. If Pakistan gets dysfunctional, China's connection to these part of the world will remain IOR. which will always be in control of India and US Navies.

US and west don't care about Pakistan as long as their efforts to deny China access to many parts of the world. If Pakistan breaks up its ties with China. they will again become favorites of US and west. This what US want in Afghanistan, avoiding China getting its rich natural resources.

The entire game is about natural resources which China needs for its economic growth to surpass US.

I agree with you the first step is to break Balochistan which will become dependent on USA and West and in return of aid the Gawadar will come under USA control thus eliminating China's expansionist dream. On the sideline with Arab spring is also going to help in formation of Kurdistan, which will take its own time.

 

[SADAKHUSH]

Why do you always so keen on wearing suicide vests in your arguments??

Because this is the kind of thinking they grow with and that will undo the existence of their Pureland. They still cant see the the deep cave in front of them that will eventually swallow them and that is despite the fact half is already named Bangladesh. Once the Balochistan separates that will be the called bursting of biggest bubble on this planet whose oxygen was being supplied by KSA, USA and UK.

 

[SADAKHUSH]

My response to the author on his site:

I don't really see where you established any connection between a British strategic goal of having access to Soviet territory and Jinnah and the AIML's pursuit of a separate State comprising the Muslim majority areas of the subcontinent.

You are correct in arguing that the West, the US in particular, played a significant role in creating the monster of Islamic extremism we see today, especially in Pakistan, and let us hope that the US and its extremist and paranoid Saudi ally do not repeat history through their support of terrorists in Syria, in pursuit of yet more shortsighted 'strategic goals'.

This is the regular "Mantra" USA created everything that is negative in Pakistan while your leadership followed their dictation with closed eyes of the brain. This just shows the quality of leader that you have controlling the masses. Why not admit that they(Your Leader) brainwashed the masses in believing that one day we will take back Kashmir from Indian control?