Pakistan received ZDK-03 AEW&C aircraft

[Blackwater]

Nope! This is yet another derivative of the Y9 transport, which is INDIGENOUS to the PRC baby. I really cant think of a 1970's russian aircraft that looks like this.

Ya Ya, after sleeping with pakistan your thinking power have also gone. Tommarow you will gets AIDS. Then you will not able to produce babies,, forget AWACS...

 

[LETHALFORCE]

so when it is going to crash like jf-17? at a base with homegrown fighter ordered to china

They just made it but it will follow in kj-2000 footsteps as soon as it is in the air


New York Times
June 7, 2006

Crash Of Chinese Surveillance Plane Hurts Effort On Warning System

By Joseph Kahn

BEIJING, June 6 - China's efforts to field an early-warning aircraft that
could help it project power far beyond its borders, and challenge American
intervention in any conflict with Taiwan, were dealt at least a temporary
blow by the crash of a surveillance aircraft on Sunday, defense specialists
in the region said.

The aircraft, described by two government-controlled newspapers in Hong Kong
as a Chinese-made airborne warning and control system, or AWACS, plane,
slammed into a hillside in central Anhui Province, killing all 40
technicians and crew members on board.

The crash was described as one of the worst disasters in the history of the
Chinese Air Force. The Chinese news media said that Guo Boxiong, a top
military official in Beijing, was supervising the investigation into the
accident.

The two Hong Kong newspapers, Ta Kung Pao and Wen Wei Po, carried articles
on Monday that described the crash in more detail than did the rest of the
Chinese news media. They did not identify the model of the plane, but
regional experts suggested that it was most likely the KJ-2000, an
early-warning aircraft that was developed using mostly technology developed
in China.

In addition to the loss of the aircraft, one of four of its kind that China
has built, experts said the deaths of the 40 people on board, including 35
electronics and avionics technicians, could hinder one of China's most
pressing military modernization programs.

"We don't know the cause of the crash and can't say for certain how much of
a problem it will prove to be," said Allen Behm, an expert on the Chinese
military and a former chief strategist in Australia's Defense Department.
"But to lose that much expertise really does hurt."

The United States has a sophisticated fleet of Awacs aircraft that it sees
as giving its naval forces a decisive advantage in sea battles.

China needs such technology if it intends to project force far from its
shores. Without the technology, it would face tactical disadvantages in a
conflict with Japan or Taiwan.

China has repeatedly threatened to attack Taiwan if the island declares
formal independence. The United States has said it would come to Taiwan's
defense if China mounted an attack. Japan, an American military ally, uses
American-made Awacs aircraft.

Chinese officials tried for years to purchase Awacs technology from Israel,
France, Britain and Russia. But the United States strongly opposed the
sales, and Beijing has been forced to develop its own version.

The KJ-2000 is a conversion of a Russian-made IL-76 transport plane into an
Awacs aircraft. The Chinese Air Force has also mounted sophisticated radar
systems on its own Yun-8 transport planes.

Mr. Behm said the number of people on board Sunday's flight suggested that
China was conducting a test of the aircraft. The plane may have carried
three dozen technicians because China wanted to conduct the tests without
transmitting the plane's operating data to the ground.

It might take that precaution because the United States could intercept
air-to-ground signals from a Chinese Awacs plane and gauge the country's
progress in developing the technology, Mr. Behm said.

Lin Chong-pin, a former defense official in Taiwan, said China had pushed
hard to develop early-warning aircraft and probably would not be deterred by
the accident.

"They have the resolve and they have the money," Mr. Lin said. But he added
that China might be somewhat less likely to pursue a risky military
confrontation with Taiwan if it felt its AWACS aircraft was unprepared for
wartime operation.

 

[hbogyt]

Indigenous...my foot.. you people are just mere copy cat.

look from where your indegenous Y9 come from

[h=2]Variants[/h]

• Y-8: The baseline unpressurized transport aircraft produced primarily for transport duties with the PLAAF.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8A: Helicopter transport aircraft with rear loading ramp, travelling gantry removed and a hydraulically operated steady under the rear door.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8AF: ASW platform under tests, with extended magnetic anomaly detector at the tail, the latest military version, looks similar to Y-8 Mineral research plane.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8B: Unpressurised freight/passenger transport aircraft for CAAC.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8C: Fully pressurised transport version with the rear cargo ramp of the Y-8B.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8CA: (a.k.a. 'High New 1') Electronic Countermeasures aircraft with extensive arrays of aerials and a ventral canoe.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8CB: ECM variant, characterized by a sharp pointed nose cone.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8D: Export military transport fitted with western avionics. The initial Y-8D was superseded by the Y-8DII.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8DZ: (Dianzi Zhencha - ELINT)(a.k.a.'High New 2') Electronic signals intelligence version characterized by the cylindrical array just in front of the vertical stabilizer.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8E: Drone carrier aircraft for launching WZ-5 Chang Hong-1(Chang Hong - long rainbow) reconnaissance drones, reverse-engineeredRyan Firebees, to replace Tu-4 Drone launchers..

• Y-8F: Live-stock transport aircraft with three tiers of cages either side of a central aisle, able to accommodate 350 sheep or goats. The livestock transport was developed to allow access to remote seasonal pastures.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8F-100: Fitted with more powerful engines, EFIS, colour weather radar, TCAS and GPS.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8F-200: This model has a 2.2m (7 ft 10in) stretched fuselage.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8F-300: Civil transport with western avionics.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8F-400: As for Y-8F-300 but with pressurised cargo hold.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8F-600: Newest civilian transport variant with a redesigned fuselage, Pratt and Whitney turboprop engines, an Electronic Flight Instrument System "glass cockpit", and a two-person crew.[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP]

• Y-8G: ELINT platform (project).[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8G: IFR tanker. (project).[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8G: Airborne Command Post and ECM version a.k.a. 'High New 3' based on the Y-8F-200.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8H: Aerial survey aircraft.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8J: AWACS aircraft with British GEC-Marconi Argus-2000 (RACAL Skymaster) L-band pulse-doppler search radar in a large nose radome, with work stations for the operators in the cargo hold. Reputedly fully pressurised but lacking the cargo ramp associated with pressurised cargo holds.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8J: AEW aircraft with Sky Master radar.[SUP][10][/SUP]

• Y-8JB: ELINT variant.[SUP][10][/SUP]

• Y-8K: 121-seat airliner.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8T: C3I command post and battlefield surveillance aircraft based on the Y-8F-400. Some sources claim it is an ECM aircraft.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8U: Experimental aircraft equipped with British Mk 32 aerial refueling pods for the development of Chinese aerial refueling technology.

• Y-8X: (Xun - surveillance) Maritime Patrol Aircraft with western avionics, radar, mission systems and defensive aids. Some aircraft have been known to carry ELINT packages. Equipped with Litton Canada AN/APS-504(V) search radar for maritime surveillance missions. This version is characterized by a larger cylindrical radar radome under the nose similar to that on H-6 bomber.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8XZ: (a.k.a. 'High New 7') a Psychological warfare aircraft for broadcasting TV and radio propaganda.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8W: An AWACS version of the KJ-200 with 'Balance Beam phased array radar mounted above the fuselage.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8 AWACS: Characterized by the large Rotodome strut supported over the rear fuselage and the triple tail configuration with large trapezoidal auxiliary fins at the tips of the tailplane, similar to the Beriev A-50.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8 AWACS: Another AWACS version was studied at Shaanxi with large radomes at nose and tail in similar fashion to the abortive AEW Nimrod.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8 Geophysical Survey Aircraft: Characterized by the extended magnetic anomaly detector at the tail, for finding potential mine sites, similar in appearance to an anti-submarine warfare platform and is often mistaken for the latter.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• Y-8EW: New EW aircraft.[SUP][10][/SUP]

• Y-8Q: ASW variant, surface search radar, FLIR, internal bomb bay, SATCOM, and tail MAD.[SUP][10][/SUP]

• Y-8 Gunship: A projected gunship version based on the Y-8C with two heavy cannon and ports for three heavy machine-guns on the port side of the aircraft. Weapons aiming and target acquisition achieved by gyro-stabilised optoelectronic sighting system in a ball turret under the nose. A steerable searchlight would be installed uin a pod under the port outer wing, as well as ESM and/or ECM pods as required.[SUP][8][/SUP]

• ZDK-03: A variant designed specifically for export to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). Consists of a Chinese AESA radar mounted on the Y-8F600 platform.[SUP][11][/SUP] The radar is reported to have a greater range than that of the PAF's Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C radar [SUP][12][/SUP] and the aircraft incorporates open architecture electronics to make future upgrades easier to implement.[SUP][13][/SUP] Delivery of the first aircraft to the Pakistan Air Force was expected by the end of 2010.[SUP][12][/SUP] The first aircraft was reported to have been delivered in November 2011 by Pakistani media.[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]citation needed[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]

Shaanxi Y-8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As if you people could conjure up any creativity, Design 1047 battlecruiser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A robust military industrial complex that is able to continually churn out ever more innovative products independently is based of the foundation of astronomical financial investment and decades of hard work and experience, not a few technological and scientific prodigies as you would believe.

 

[Blackwater]

As if you people could conjure up any creativity, Design 1047 battlecruiser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A robust military industrial complex that is able to continually churn out ever more innovative products independently is based of the foundation of astronomical financial investment and decades of hard work and experience, not a few technological and scientific prodigies as you would believe.

I believe only one thing,that Y9 is not indigenous as claimed by your Chinese bro.

 

[hbogyt]

I believe only one thing,that Y9 is not indigenous as claimed by your Chinese bro.

I'm replying to your racist comment, "you people are copycats."

Sure, the Y-9 does have foreign roots.

 

[ice berg]

I believe only one thing,that Y9 is not indigenous as claimed by your Chinese bro.

It depends on how you define "indigenous", of course. It dosnt need to be 100 % domestic made to be called that.

 

[Blackwater]

I'm replying to your racist comment, "you people are copycats."

Sure, the Y-9 does have foreign roots.

Well i can prove another copy cat product.

Babur cruise missile u made for pak and for urself, is clear copy of US tomahawk.. even its color remains orange. atleast u can paint in different color

Anyhow copycat is not racist. Though dog or pig would have been but did i say that

 

[Blackwater]

It depends on how you define "indigenous", of course. It dosnt need to be 100 % domestic made to be called that.

It also depends how your bro define indigenous...according to Y9 is pure your product

 

[ice berg]

It also depends how your bro define indigenous...according to Y9 is pure your product

Let us say it is something in between and end the discussion?8)

 

[hbogyt]

Well i can prove another copy cat product.

Babur cruise missile u made for pak and for urself, is clear copy of US tomahawk.. even its color remains orange. atleast u can paint in different color

Anyhow copycat is not racist. Though dog or pig would have been but did i say that

Whatever the colour will become the subject of your derisive remarks such as, "Look, they copied the missiles, but painted it in a different colour to the original hoping people would not notice."

Babur is not being made by China and nor is it for China. The Chinese military uses CJ-10 which is reportedly based on Kh-55.

You know full well that the negative implications of that word renders it racist.

Onto the topic of indigeneity.
Any innovation is inevitably based on the knowledge and experience of its predecessors.
Would you call Su-35 a different aircraft from Su-27 or a mere upgrade of it?
That is, hypothetically, if Russia made the Su-27 and another country based the insight gained from the licensed production of the aircraft built the Su-35, would you call them to have copied the Su-27 with modifications?
Contentious, some people would argue the latter and that the new designation, Su-35 is a marketing ploy.
What about the PAK-FA? Does it not show some resemblance to Su-27, too?
The basic airframe layouts appear similar, albeit with optimisation for stealth. We can expect that internally everything is drastically different from Su-27. So too is the Y-9 different from Y-8 internally and its airframe modified.
This begs the question. "How much difference is enough?" The answer will inevitably be subjective.
Or we can use another set of criteria all together and decide based on the design process or a fundamental change in capability. Food for thought, if I put warp drives in place of turboprop engines on the Y-8 and it can now travel between the stars, did I just copy the Y-8?

Another example, the YJ-82 AShM. YJ-81 was a copy of the French Exocet both with rocket engines. However, with the advent of YJ-82 most would consider it as having ceased being a copy of the Exocet seeing that it had a jet engine and some airframe modification while the French were still keeping their rocket engine. Clearly though, even the newest member of the YJ-8x family still bear resemblance to the Exocet.

I do not even want to discuss this topic here. Everyone will just stick to his own version of the story and any discussion is a waste of time. That was why I agreed with you.

 

[Blackwater]

Whatever the colour will become the subject of your derisive remarks such as, "Look, they copied the missiles, but painted it in a different colour to the original hoping people would not notice."

Babur is not being made by China and nor is it for China. The Chinese military uses CJ-10 which is reportedly based on Kh-55.

You know full well that the negative implications of that word renders it racist.

Onto the topic of indigeneity.
Any innovation is inevitably based on the knowledge and experience of its predecessors.
Would you call Su-35 a different aircraft from Su-27 or a mere upgrade of it?
That is, hypothetically, if Russia made the Su-27 and another country based the insight gained from the licensed production of the aircraft built the Su-35, would you call them to have copied the Su-27 with modifications?
Contentious, some people would argue the latter and that the new designation, Su-35 is a marketing ploy.
What about the PAK-FA? Does it not show some resemblance to Su-27, too?
The basic airframe layouts appear similar, albeit with optimisation for stealth. We can expect that internally everything is drastically different from Su-27. So too is the Y-9 different from Y-8 internally and its airframe modified.
This begs the question. "How much difference is enough?" The answer will inevitably be subjective.
Or we can use another set of criteria all together and decide based on the design process or a fundamental change in capability. Food for thought, if I put warp drives in place of turboprop engines on the Y-8 and it can now travel between the stars, did I just copy the Y-8?

Another example, the YJ-82 AShM. YJ-81 was a copy of the French Exocet both with rocket engines. However, with the advent of YJ-82 most would consider it as having ceased being a copy of the Exocet seeing that it had a jet engine and some airframe modification while the French were still keeping their rocket engine. Clearly though, even the newest member of the YJ-8x family still bear resemblance to the Exocet.

I do not even want to discuss this topic here. Everyone will just stick to his own version of the story and any discussion is a waste of time. That was why I agreed with you.

Pak does not have capability to copy stuff. They deliver tomahawk cruise missile to you and you did it.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Military Technology / Videos | Babur - Pakistan missile may be a back engineered Tomahawk | Military technology and military videos

Babur - Pakistan missile may be a back engineered Tomahawk

Pakistan has some very modern equipment. In 1998, six Tomahawk cruise missiles fired at Taliban bases in Afghanistan by US destroyers mis-fired and landed in Pakistan.

It is speculated that Pakistan seized upon the opportunity to reverse-engineer the Tomahawk and develop its own prototype. The missile's design features can be compared with the American BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missile.

The propulsion system appears to approximate that of Tomahawk according to video of its launch. Chinese assistance is further speculated to have been taken to develop its guidance system.

However, there is no confirmation of this, and both the Pakistani missile development company, NESCOM, and Chinese authorities have rejected the theory.

Some members of NDC/NESCOM have come out saying, off the record, that Pakistan has been working on cruise missiles since 1995.

Babur is believed to be extremely accurate. It is steered by an inertial navigation system (INS). INS continuously measures the movement, speed and position of the missile.

It is equipped with a precision guidance system that allows the missile to hit small targets. It is powered by a cruise turbo-fan engine which enables the missile to reach an approximate speed of 880 km/h (550 miles/h).

Picture below..
A government handout photograph shows Babur (Hatf-VII) the nuclear capable radar-dodging cruise missile taking off during a test fire at an undisclosed location, 26 July 2007.

Babur that has near-stealth capabilities is a terrain-hugging and highly maneuverable missile, which can strike targets up to 700 kilometers away with pinpoint accuracy.

 

[indian_sukhoi]

Turboprop aircrafts perfectly suits PAF requirments, The operating cost is less than Turbo Jets. The aircraft supplied to Pakistan reportedly are equipped with turboprop engines produced by Pratt & Whitney Canada in place of their Chinese counterparts.. - Someone explain me why??

Chinese sources claim that the KJ-200 and ZDK-03 have superior range compared to the Saab 2000

All I can tell you is the pic is real, there are a lot more in CD from different angle, and the pic is took at a west end airport, very close to Pakistan, is that credible enough? All the latest news or progress related with Chinese defence are from Chinese forum, way ealier than from shitty magzines like Janes, Aviation weekly or Kanwa.
Regarding the rotodome, you think you are a better person to judge that than Pakistan and China's military experts?

Reddragaon,....I got no clue about Chinese Military magazines or websites. If you have a Credible article about the ZDK-3 AWACS Capability. Please do share it.

Whereas, when it comes to Acig.org, Janes, IDSA and Aviation Weekly. Those are not any shitty magazines who come with my shitty articles unlike i seen in many Chinese magazines. They belong to a different class!!!

Pakistan will not be able to datalink this to any US warplane so in many ways this is great for India.

Sir,........These are not bro

Chinese AWECs main priority role would be too used them for their JF-17s and J-10 maybe in future. JF-17s cannot datalink with SAAB Ereiye. Unless if PAF decides to go up with better europeon avionics, its useless.

Even PAF F-16s might gonna have trouble data linking with SAABs.