Pakistan pulls JF 17 Thunderbird out of Bahrain air show

[Indx TechStyle]

Where to create it in which field?

Members corner.

Go to Members corner in forum list and create a thread by the title of"Hello, it's ISRO".

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

How Chinese cannot make engines?

This is the most understated fact in India. We keep cursing all our research agencies for failing to make engines, but the Chinese, despite all the espionage, despite the massive budget, despite getting ToT from Russia for the MiG-type engine, haven't been able to reverse engineer, upgrade and manufacture their own engines. They are still stuck with copy-pasting whatever Russia gave them.

It's difficult to make engines, only a few nations have such capabilities, all these countries are exclusively those nations who pumped in a massive % of their budget on defense during the WW2 and Cold War, and these are the fruits of those investments. Good things will come to India if Indians stopped being self-loathing and criticizing Tejas, or any indigenous equipment for that matter. Once Tejas is perfected, we will be at par with all other nations as far as the entire conceptualize-design-engineer-manufacture-upgrade cycle of developing new planes is concerned. This was said by the scientist who made the Tejas in a documentary.

 

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[LETHALFORCE]

Chinese Fighter Jet Crash: Incompatible Russian Engine or Industrial Deficiency

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/187...ible-russian-engine-or-industrial-deficiency/

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Hello,
How to study or scientist know the distance of planet from earth sun?

you call yourself isro.

 

[maomao]

I don't know why this news requires a thread and making fun of poor pakis......we all know JF-17 (popularly known as Junk Fighter 17) is a 2.5-3 generation chinese rejected aircraft, which pakis claim to be their invention!!!!! Obviously, it was pulled back as it cannot compete with 4-4.5 generation aircrafts such as Typhoon, Rafale, Tejas, MIG-35s, Gripen et al.

In fact you can make fun of pakis being dumb enough to send it at first place!!

 

[Srinivas_K]

Trying for three decades still no results bought lavi hired probably Ukrainians/Russians for consultation still had to buy rd93. Just because you can build toy planes does not mean you can build REAL planes

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J10 was started during 1990's, but now the aviation industry of Chinese is developing.

they are improving their tech base. Engine technology is unique and complex one, it involves complex metallurgy and all, no country will give that tech. reason why Chinese are facing difficulties with WS 10. Still they have enough money to buy scientists, firms and technology. And they are in that hunt world wide.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

J10 was started during 1990's, but now the aviation industry of Chinese is developing.

they are improving their tech base. Engine technology is unique and complex one, it involves complex metallurgy and all, no country will give that tech. reason why Chinese are facing difficulties with WS 10. Still they have enough money to buy scientists, firms and technology. And they are in that hunt world wide.

They have been doing that for three decades. By the time they make a third generation engine world will be on fifth and sixth generation. Very few will be impressed(except Pakistan)


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[Srinivas_K]

They have been doing that for three decades. By the time they make a third generation engine world will be on fifth and sixth generation. Very few will be impressed(except Pakistan)


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They have very good experience in infra buildup, electronics,3D printing etc...etc.., those skills come in handy in R&D.

The latest news is that China is looking to establish a aircraft engine firm believed to be of 22 Billion investment.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alize-plans-for-22-billion-plane-engine-giant

We are 10 years behind and we have gap to fill in this regard. India has our own advantages and we can give them tough competition, once the reforms starts showing the results.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Chinese are not a player in the aviation industry. Lot of countries make investments in different sectors does not mean they will become a competitive threat, good example the thunder blunder. Even after hacking defense servers and getting Russian help thunder blunder still a flop.


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[punjab47]

@srinivas k not really, saurav Jha said our goal with kaveri initially was 90% of 90kn which was achieved.

Now program is restarting soon, with better materials & new funding. 95 would be too stressful for regular use.

Probably a 72 kn for ucav & 90+ for a twin engine amca.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

They have very good experience in infra buildup, electronics,3D printing etc...etc.., those skills come in handy in R&D.

The latest news is that China is looking to establish a aircraft engine firm believed to be of 22 Billion investment.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alize-plans-for-22-billion-plane-engine-giant

We are 10 years behind and we have gap to fill in this regard. India has our own advantages and we can give them tough competition, once the reforms starts showing the results.

The bigger worry also is that whatever gains the Chinese R&D makes, they pass it on to Pakistan which then paints it green and inducts it in their arsenal, and we are still nowhere near breaking the Pakistan jinx. On the contrary, Pakistan has done a thermonuclear test in N.Korea recently, while our capability is derailed due to 123 Nuclear agreement. I don't understand what our grand plan is anymore. On one end we hear voices advocating the breakup of Pakistan, on the other hand they are allowed to acquire all sorts of weapons with impunity. Russia is willing to sell attack helicopters, even the US is itching to sell F16s after having sold Cobra attack choppers. We are still licking our wounds from 26/11, not knowing how to impose retribution or even deterrence.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

They have very good experience in infra buildup, electronics,3D printing etc...etc.., those skills come in handy in R&D.

The latest news is that China is looking to establish a aircraft engine firm believed to be of 22 Billion investment.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alize-plans-for-22-billion-plane-engine-giant

We are 10 years behind and we have gap to fill in this regard. India has our own advantages and we can give them tough competition, once the reforms starts showing the results.

India does not develop something and try to export it the next day. There is a major difference in developing for domestic use and for export. China has not been able to do either .


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[LETHALFORCE]

The bigger worry also is that whatever gains the Chinese R&D makes, they pass it on to Pakistan which then paints it green and inducts it in their arsenal, and we are still nowhere near breaking the Pakistan jinx. On the contrary, Pakistan has done a thermonuclear test in N.Korea recently, while our capability is derailed due to 123 Nuclear agreement. I don't understand what our grand plan is anymore. On one end we hear voices advocating the breakup of Pakistan, on the other hand they are allowed to acquire all sorts of weapons with impunity. Russia is willing to sell attack helicopters, even the US is itching to sell F16s after having sold Cobra attack choppers. We are still licking our wounds from 26/11, not knowing how to impose retribution or even deterrence.

This can all be blamed on a lack of a military industrial infrastructure. Even today politicians don't want any indigenous developments just imports


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[Srinivas_K]

The bigger worry also is that whatever gains the Chinese R&D makes, they pass it on to Pakistan which then paints it green and inducts it in their arsenal, and we are still nowhere near breaking the Pakistan jinx. On the contrary, Pakistan has done a thermonuclear test in N.Korea recently, while our capability is derailed due to 123 Nuclear agreement. I don't understand what our grand plan is anymore. On one end we hear voices advocating the breakup of Pakistan, on the other hand they are allowed to acquire all sorts of weapons with impunity. Russia is willing to sell attack helicopters, even the US is itching to sell F16s after having sold Cobra attack choppers. We are still licking our wounds from 26/11, not knowing how to impose retribution or even deterrence.

It is a complex Global game, which involves US interests, Chinese interests and Pakistan's Jihad.

The above have one common interest .i.e to make India constrained to Indian Sub continent. This is the reality.

It is up to us to get strong and play a major role in Global politics.

Truth is India has lot of potential to play the global game and we are in right direction. If our direction is correct and we are heading towards becoming a strong power ... no need to worry about Chinese or Pakistanis or any other enemies, because once you starts growing the Global perspective on India changes and recognition, status, memberships comes with that.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

This can all be blamed on a lack of a military industrial infrastructure. Even today politicians don't want any indigenous developments just imports

Not true. The first thing Modi did was fire that Avinash Chander guy for delaying project. The very next day Modi took a meeting of all heads of strategic weapons programmes and told them to 'deliver on time or perish', that was the exact news headline. There are some vested interests among the user, particularly IAF who are obsessed with flying shiny, expensive western aircraft at the expense of national interest. These people deliberately put up an uncooperative behavior against DRDO/HAL to stall indigenous projects. Leave all of that aside, buddy, let me give you the most recent example of ongoing Bahrain airshow. Do you know that all the 3 pilots who have gone there to showcase Tejas, are from Navy, not a single airforce guy. Isn't that shameful?

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

Truth is India has lot of potential to play the global game and we are in right direction. If our direction is correct..

But sometimes there are fleeting opportunities that need to be grabbed, and for that we need to be on the front foot. For example, when China realized that the NPT was going to be signed in 1964, they immediately did a nuclear test and got themselves a seat. We keep missing such opportunities. They did the same with incorporation of space weapons. Right now, the world is in turmoil, the last thing the US needs is India hopping into the conflict. With that in our mind, we OUGHT TO take provocative measures, since these will yield more results now more than ever. Instead of firmly asking US to cancel the F16 deal, we take pride in the fact that our lobbies stalled it temporarily for a few weeks.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

But sometimes there are fleeting opportunities that need to be grabbed, and for that we need to be on the front foot. For example, when China realized that the NPT was going to be signed in 1964, they immediately did a nuclear test and got themselves a seat. We keep missing such opportunities. They did the same with incorporation of space weapons. Right now, the world is in turmoil, the last thing the US needs is India hopping into the conflict. With that in our mind, we OUGHT TO take provocative measures, since these will yield more results now more than ever. Instead of firmly asking US to cancel the F16 deal, we take pride in the fact that our lobbies stalled it temporarily for a few weeks.

Politicians give a false perception that there is a diplomatic solution to everything. This maybe true in some cases but there will be times you will have to act .


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[A chauhan]

This can all be blamed on a lack of a military industrial infrastructure. Even today politicians don't want any indigenous developments just imports

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The budget firstly goes to vote bank purposes, then for actual needs so how can we expect indigenous development ? this creates gap between our requirement and the technology level of wealthy nations, so imports

 

[LETHALFORCE]

The budget firstly goes to vote bank purposes, then for actual needs so how can we expect indigenous development ? this creates gap between our requirement and the technology level of wealthy nations, so imports

When it comes to national security things will have to change or continue to be dependant on imports


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