Pakistan political discussions

[nitesh]

DAWN.COM | Encounter | Seraiki nationalism in focus

 

[nitesh]

Jihad not mandatory in Kashmir: Sufi

 

[nitesh]

The cat and mouse game:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/04/world/asia/04pstan.html?_r=1&ref=world

The Pakistani government announced the creation of a new Islamic appeals court over the weekend, saying that it was meeting the terms of a February peace agreement with the Taliban and that the militants should now cease their armed struggle.

The Taliban continue to demolish schools in the valley because the military has often used them as bases during operations. Meanwhile, fighting has shifted to the adjoining districts of Dir and Buner, which are also covered by the agreement, after Taliban incursions there.

Now this:

Swat deal is over: Muslim Khan

ISLAMABAD: The Swat peace pact stands dissolved and the militants present in Swat, Matta, Kabal and Sangla as well as their commanders have asked for permission to fight everywhere, sources told The News on Sunday.

The TTP Swat spokesman vowed that their fighters would now attack security forces and the government figures everywhere. He said the rulers were obeying every directive of US President Barack Obama.

Regarding the involvement of India and Afghanistan in the Swat imbroglio, the TNSM spokesman claimed the two countries had nothing to do with the unrest in the region. He said it was only a reaction to the government policies. He said neither they had amassed arms nor were they getting financial help from abroad.

 

[nitesh]

Looking beyond Nizam-e-Adl

The promulgation of Nizam-e-Adl can, therefore, be termed as a step in the right direction. The manner it was achieved, however, was shameful. The provincial government capitulated before those who committed unspeakable brutalities. Parliament passed the bill in a matter of hours and without any debate. The silence displayed by the elected representatives including female parliamentarians was disappointing, to say the least.

A dress code for Muslim women has not specifically been prescribed in the Holy Book. Nor is there any standard practice in this regard in the Muslim world. Muslim nations have adopted different dresses for women. In Saudi Arabia women cover themselves from head to foot. In Iran, women leave their faces open and are working in all government departments and stores. Indonesian women wear off-the-shoulder gowns on formal occasions. Turkish women have adopted western dresses. In Pakistan different social groups interpret the hijab in different ways.

I was sitting next to the then chairman of the Islamic Ideology Council (CII) in the plane. When I asked him what was the issue presently being undertaken by the CII, he told me that they were working on the issue of whether transplanting a non-Muslim’s kidney into a Muslim person is permitted in Islam.

The owner of a popular Urdu newspaper opines that all those who oppose the Nizam-e-Adl should move to Bharat. I wish he had also said that the members of a religious organisation, which opposed the creation of Pakistan, should also migrate to India and those who addressed Quaid-e-Azam as Kafir-e-Azam should not stay in the land he founded.

Check the writer's credentials

 

[nitesh]

what you guys say about this... can't figure out ha ha ha

Minister advises passengers to recite Durood Sharif in trains

HYDERABAD: Minister of State for Railways Muhammad Jadam Mangrio advised the passengers to recite Durood Sharif while traveling by trains.:113::coffee_spray::connie_searchingsky

Speaking to newsmen here on Monday, he said railway track is outdated, while trains and railway lines are also in appalling state.:blum3::bye:

To a question, he said that he would not resign.

The minister said that he would continue to inform the nation about the corruption in Pakistan Railways. :d_training::mornin::connie_22:

 

[F-14]

Ok that is wierd why dont he try to correct the Pakistani Railways insted of Shooting himself in the foot seems like the wazirat of the Railways is fully Tali or High on weed

 

[Rage]

My word! Is there anything this pathetic state can get right?

 

[Vinod2070]

what you guys say about this... can't figure out ha ha ha

Minister advises passengers to recite Durood Sharif in trains

HYDERABAD: Minister of State for Railways Muhammad Jadam Mangrio advised the passengers to recite Durood Sharif while traveling by trains.:113::coffee_spray::connie_searchingsky

Speaking to newsmen here on Monday, he said railway track is outdated, while trains and railway lines are also in appalling state.:blum3::bye:

To a question, he said that he would not resign.

The minister said that he would continue to inform the nation about the corruption in Pakistan Railways. :d_training::mornin::connie_22:

Hilarious. Reminds me of another Pakistani Railway minister contemporary of our Shashtriji.

Mr. L.B. Shashtri resigned after a Rail accident in India. After a few days Pakistan had a bad accident too and demands were raised for the guy's resignation.

Guess his reply. It was:




I won't follow a kaafir!

Sums up all that is wrong with this "nazaryati riyasat" as the clown likes to call it.

 

[F-14]

ahh the Classic Pakistani Reply trying to take the High Ground of Islam bahh.....

 

[nitesh]

Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and Pakistan

The high-profile arrest of a group of Pakistani militants in mid-April in the restive Afghan province of Helmand by the Afghan army and their subsequent handover to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) for grilling exposed a jihadi network running to the heart of urban Pakistan.

In the course of interrogation, the militants confessed to being recruited, trained and then launched into Helmand after spending some time in places such as the southern port city of Karachi and Quetta, the capital of Balochistan province.

Well-placed contacts have confirmed to Asia Times Online that as a follow-up of these warning messages from American officials, in the next few days Sharif will accept a power-sharing formula to join the government led by Zardari's Pakistan People's Party (PPP) to fight against the Taliban.

Pakistani youths from the tribal areas and the cities have frequently been arrested or killed by NATO troops in Afghanistan. Most of these youngsters went to the country in the zeal of jihad, and they could usually be linked to particular stand-alone point-persons.

when ANA troops are sent on patrol inside Taliban areas, they pay the Taliban to avoid being killed. The price is arms, ammunition or rockets, which is handed over and then reported as having been lost during an encounter with the Taliban.
In turn, when ANA arrests any Taliban fighters, they demand cash money for their release. If the fighters are Pakistani or non-Afghan, ANA takes a little longer to negotiate a price, but if the fighters are Afghans, ANA personnel will not take unnecessary risks. Either they strike a deal then and there and release the Taliban fighters, or within a few days they hand them over to NATO. The reason is to avoid direct confrontation with the Afghan Taliban and their tribal constituencies, which could cause problems in any prolonged negotiations.

 

[Rage]

Violence against minorities ‘common in Pakistan’

Tuesday, 05 May, 2009 | 04:44 AM PST |

More than 300 Sikhs from Buner have sought shelter at the Hasanabdal temple
after fighting broke out between army and Taliban.—AP


WASHINGTON: Pakistan is one of 13 countries named by the US Commission on International Religious Freedom as a place where violence against religious minorities is common and condoned or supported by the government.

Some of the documented violence includes rape victims being charged and jailed for adultery, women being murdered for refusing to quit their jobs, and the public beheading of critics of the Taliban and other terrorist extremists.

The year 2009 ‘has seen the largely unchecked growth in the power and reach of religiously-motivated extremist groups whose members are engaged in violence in Pakistan and abroad, with Pakistani authorities ceding effective control to armed insurgents espousing a radical Islam ideology’, the Annual Report 2009 of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom stated.

The report said Pakistan was one of 13 ‘countries of particular concern’ (CPC) because of ongoing religiously motivated violence that targets minorities.

‘Since 2002, our commission has recommended that Pakistan be named a CPC in light of a whole range of serious religious freedom concerns,’ said Elizabeth Prodromou, vice-chairwoman of the commission.

‘The State Department, however, has not followed the recommendation of the commission,’ added Ms Prodromou, who is also assistant professor in the Department of International Relations at Boston University.

‘Today, the threat to religious freedom or belief in Pakistan has measurably and demonstrably increased,’ she said, ‘and therefore we renew our recommendation that Pakistan be named a PCP’.

Ms Prodromou claimed the Pakistani government had aided and abetted terrorist extremists who targeted religious minorities.

‘Pakistan’s central government in Islamabad has succeeded effective control of more and more of the country to these Taliban-associated extremist groups,’ she said.

‘Pakistanis have repeatedly been murdered while engaging in religious worship,’ she said. ‘The government does not provide adequate protection to members of religious minorities and perpetrators of violence against those communities are seldom brought to justice.’

Ms Prodromou also claimed that the Pakistani police and justice system contribute to religiously motivated violence, with the Hudood Ordinances resulting in the amputations and deaths by stoning for violation of Islamic laws.

The commission recommended decriminalising blasphemy and rescinding laws that outlaw certain religious practices.


DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Violence against minorities ?common in Pakistan?

 

[nitesh]

The Hindu News Update Service

"Pakistan is just such a fragile entity," Rice said on Sunday in response to a question at Jewish Primary Day School in Washington after delivering the Yitzhak Rabin Memorial Lecture. She was responding to a question on the current situation in Pakistan, which Rice said has now moved on to a "daily management problem."

Rice, who had played a crucial role in defusing the tension between India and Pakistan after the Mumbai terrorist attacks, said: "You know, having been carved as it was, essentially, out of India, its identity has always been a problem and its always -- not always, but some elements in Pakistan find their identity through extremism and through extreme anti-India sentiment.

 

[nitesh]

JUST WALK AWAY - New York Post

No matter how shamelessly Pakistan's leaders looted their own country, protected the Taliban, sponsored terror attacks on India, demanded aid and told us to kiss off when we asked for help, we had to back the Paks.

If China wants Pakistan, let Beijing have it. That would be fun to watch. Take on the Taliban? Given China's ghastly ineptitude in dealing with its Uighur Muslims, more power to 'em.

Yet, we've been abetting the forces of terror by supporting Pakistan unreservedly. Islamabad merrily sponsors terror attacks on India, knowing that America will step in and convince New Delhi not to retaliate.

Apart from the myriad Pak-backed terror strikes in Kashmir, we've seen gruesome attacks in New Delhi and, most recently, in Mumbai. Pakistan's intelligence services did everything but put up billboards announcing that they were behind the terrorists.

India prepared to strike back. But we stepped in every time.

As long as Pakistan's obsessed India-haters know there won't be any penalties for terrorism, they'll keep at it. The formula isn't hard to figure out.

Suppose we just left Pakistan, even withdrawing our embassy personnel? Without us to protect them when they go rogue, would Pakistan's murky intel thugs still launch terror strikes on India?

Pakistan would have to behave responsibly at last. Or face nuclear-armed India. And Pakistan's leaders know full well that a nuclear exchange would leave their country a wasteland. India would dust itself off and move on.

It's time for some genuine outside-the-box thinking. Because the Pakistani box looks increasingly like a coffin

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[nitesh]

similar report:

'Dump Pakistan. Back India'

 

[nitesh]

see these shameless guys:

Pakistan being short-changed again

We sold ourselves cheaply under Zia. We sold ourselves very cheap under Musharraf. Battered from all sides, we are selling ourselves cheap once again.

The problem is that the writer has no problem in letting the state getting "sold off" only problem is the price. see below

The sooner the present ruling setup gets this into their heads the better for the hapless people of Pakistan. We need a writing off - a complete writing off - of our foreign debt: about 40 billion dollars of it. And we need more US market access for our textile goods. These two things will do more for national confidence than the rest of the nonsense we are hearing at present.

The whole nation is united in bagging

 

[nitesh]

good read:

Obama does his Bush impression

Balochistan is the ultimate prize

 

[venkat]

pakistan govt all of a sudden declares war on Taliban, mean while Zardari sahab is busy getting aid of 1.3 billion US$ or so. as per news reports, pak army is moving its troops from indian borders to Afghan borders. The other day pak army resorted to heavy cross border firing in J&K,lasting few hours,obviously giving cover to terrorists infiltrating in to J&K. immediately after this,indian army got enhaged in several encounters! it appears things are going according to will and wish of pak army and ISI combine,making our govt a bunch of fools! Talibanization of SWAT,attack on Taliban by pak army..suddenly Gilani sahab talks tough...all this is happeing when zardari is in US of A. The OSCAR awards for best acting should be given to these masterminds! Kasab is demanding pakistan tooth paste and perfumes? we have been reduced to this kind of state. Hang Kasab upside and put chilli powder in his A** and holes of his body.. may be our police may have to be sent to guantanamo bay to learn a few third degree tricks from the Americans!

 

[nitesh]

see what world thinks about Pakistan, kinda bizzare but very serious:

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

From Pakistan? Check for explosives

LAHORE: A cricketer who ordered eight bats from Pakistan was shocked to discover Customs officers had drilled holes in them. Stunned Dilawar Hussain opened the package containing his batting gear to find it all ruined. Each cricket bat and two pairs of pads had two drill holes in them. Customs officials said they had been looking for bombs and drugs. The 28-year-old said: “It is totally unbelievable. What were these people thinking. “How could I possibly hide anything in the crickets bats? You would have hoped these people would have used some common sense.” “The bats are for members of the teams I captain in local leagues. The lads are more perplexed than I am as they were looking forward to using the bats and pads during the new season. “I bought the cricket bats in Lahore and each one cost me 8,000 rupees. I have just wasted my money. “I checked every one and everything seemed to be okay. I had them packed and before I left I got DHL to ship them over. “The bats and pads arrived and I was shocked to find they had holes drilled into the front of them.” Interestingly, said Dilawar, “I rang Pakistan and they said UK authorities had made the holes. When I rang the UK office they said Pakistan had done it.” daily times monitor

 

[nitesh]

these guys are not leaving Sri Lanka also:

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200905101986.htm

Four Pakistanis, including three women, were arrested by Customs authorities here for smuggling a total of 1.5 kg of heroin into the country by keeping the contraband in their stomach and rectum, an official said on Sunday.

 

[nitesh]

hmm they don't want Chinese goods? What happened to taller then oceans and deeper the mountains friendship? One way to look as Chinese are sucking them out while destroying there local industries and giving them some carrots in between:

Transporters oppose Chinese buses import

Citing the past experience with the Chinese buses, UTU President Arshad Khan Niazi said a local transport company imported 52 buses from China, which did not last even three years. Discussing the causes of the demise of the Chinese buses, he said that they could not run on the rugged road conditions and needed maintenance frequently. Secondly, spare parts for the bus were short in supply and they were too costly.

The UTU president said importing buses from India was a better option as they were more suited to our communication infrastructure and were cost-effective as well. He argued that a CNG bus from India cost around Rs1.5 million whereas the one from china cost around Rs 4 million. He suggested that after the recent elections in India, the relation would hopefully improve and the government should try to negotiate a deal with Indian manufacturers instead of rushing into a buying spree with the Chinese companies.