Pakistan, Iran inaugurate pipeline.

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If it becomes Iran Pakistan China pipeline, then China will be bankrolling the loss of US money for Pakistan!

China will do it, since China requires a whole lot of oil and gas.

It will not pinch China much since it will save a whole lot of money China uses for transportation by sea.

One wonders what the US will do in such a case.

At best, organise insurrection in Balochistan and have their cake and eat it too?
 
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This is such a terrible deal for Pakistan. They gain nothing from it.

- Iran is going to monopolize the pakistani market and then they can turn off the tap whenever any of their demands are not met.
- The pipeline gives Iran an incentive to interfere in eastern baluchistan
- Sanctions might go as far as western banks refusing to transfer money to Pakistan. resulting in the loss of billions of dollars of cash that pakistanis abroad can't send home, effectively crashing the Pakistani economy.


Iran has't allowed a single Pakistani truck to enter it over the past couple of years, and the Pakistanis here have convinced themselves that Iran is acting in their best interests.:lol:
Since Iran can turn off the pipeline, the Sunnis of Pakistan will have to think twice before bombing them (Shias of Pakistan) or attempting to annihilate them out of existence!
 

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Re: High pressure: President inaugurates historic Pak-Iran gas pipelin

So far the best decision by this govt in the past 5 years just 5 days before they are leaving forever
They took forever to do it as well ... the timing does make one wonder if this is an election time gimmick and whether the PPP and PMLN have some implicit understanding with the US/Saudis that the project will be put on the back-burner once the elections are over.

Even if there is no understanding between the US and the PPP, with the chances of the PMLN coming to power looking pretty good, it is quite feasible that the Saudis will force the PMLN to put the project on the back burner given their influence over the Sharif bradran.
 

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Since Iran can turn off the pipeline, the Sunnis of Pakistan will have to think twice before bombing them (Shias of Pakistan) or attempting to annihilate them out of existence!
No need to generalize into 'Sunnis of Pakistan' - the terrorist groups targeting Pakistan certainly belong to the Sunni sect and/or its off-shoots (Wahabi/Deobandi) but it would be wrong and downright ignorant to suggest, as you have, that a broad majority of the Sunnis in Pakistan support or condone the sectarian violence against the Shia.
 

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Re: Pakiistan,Iran inaugurate pipeline.

This part of pipeline is just a foreplay towards the extension into China isn't it?

This inauguration is quite meaningful against the backdrops of another headline "India halts crude oil imp from Iran"

Also earlier I wrote
I am still not convinced about the feasibility of extending the pipeline across the Himalayas into China.

I would think that China would find pipelines across Central Asia to be a more feasible option ...
 

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How much oil pakistan will buy.? Is there any profit to the amount of investment done?? And above that dehshatgardiyo ka khatra.
 

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How much oil pakistan will buy.? Is there any profit to the amount of investment done?? And above that dehshatgardiyo ka khatra.
Gas pipeline, not oil - the demand for gas in Pakistan will dwarf the supply through this pipeline alone.
 

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Its a gas piple line and I expect some one will come to the conclusion its going to be magnet for terrorist just to see the fireworks the natural gas will make.
 

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ISLAMABAD: Adviser to the Prime Minister Dr Mirza Ikhtiar Baig has said that the Pak-Iran gas pipeline would fulfill about 40% of Pakistan's energy needs.
Baig, while talking to PTV on Tuesday, said the gas pipeline agreement between Pakistan and Iran was a milestone in the history of both nations, as it was the first step towards regional cooperation and economic integration.


He added that the pipeline would be completed at a cost of $1.3 billion within 15 months. The pipeline's funding would come from a range of sources.
He added that Iran would also establish an oil refinery in Gwadar to develop the coastal city and open the border between the two neighbouring countries to enhance trade.

Baig further said that President Asif Ali Zardari was interested in trade and economic ties with regional countries. He said that the Gwadar Port's operational handover to a Chinese firm will promote Pakistan's trade and economic relations with Central Asian countries.
Pak-Iran pipeline to fulfill 40% of Pakistan’s energy needs: PM’s Adviser – The Express Tribune
 

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Re: High pressure: President inaugurates historic Pak-Iran gas pipelin

They took forever to do it as well ... the timing does make one wonder if this is an election time gimmick and whether the PPP and PMLN have some implicit understanding with the US/Saudis that the project will be put on the back-burner once the elections are over.

Even if there is no understanding between the US and the PPP, with the chances of the PMLN coming to power looking pretty good, it is quite feasible that the Saudis will force the PMLN to put the project on the back burner given their influence over the Sharif bradran.
Very well said

Considering that nawaz also was against or say not pro on the decision of handing over gwadar to china.
 

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The sanction wont effect pakistan that much as much the energy crisis will and are and had effected pakistan

Sanctions are welcome but again these are only loud voices by USA like indian CSD..atleast till 2014 end nothing is gonna happen

our export would had been over 40billions$ by now considering the growth it had under mushy and if it had continue that growth till now..Export is struck due to acute energy shortage
 

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This is a pipeline to nowhere as it will never be built. If even the National Bank of Pakistan and the so-called all-weather friend China's Industrial Commercial Bank of China will not fund it because of fear of US sanctions, will Pakistan be able to raise the funds? For now, it will be touted as a poster piece by Zardari during the election. Iran says it will fund the project, but that country is already defaulting in payments to India for rice imports and to Ukrainian wheat exporters. So? where will the funds and technology come from? Russain Gazprom is not going to risk sanctions either.

There is this opinion piece in The News that puts things in perspective.

Iran-Pakistan gas project: pipeline or pipedream?

Farrukh Saleem
Friday, February 01, 2013
From Print Edition

ISLAMABAD: The federal cabinet has approved $1.5 billion, 785 km gas pipeline to deliver 750 million cubic feet of natural gas per day from Iran's South Pars gas field. Intriguingly, in the 1950s, Major Malik Aftab Ahmed Khan, S.J. of the Pakistan Army Corps of Engineers (PA4117) was the first one to conceive the idea of bringing Iranian gas to Pakistani consumers. For the record, we have been at it for the past 6 decades, without much success.

Fast forward to 2013. There are two major hurdles - financing and technology. Who would finance the pipeline? There are two money centres: western banks or Chinese lenders. Where would the technology come from? Once again, there are two technology centres for such projects: western companies and Russia.

Currently, Iran is under at least three layers of sanctions that include four rounds of United Nations sanctions, the European Union sanctions and bilateral sanctions by the U.S., Canada, Australia, Switzerland and Japan. To be certain, no western financial institution will come even close to financing the project.

On October 8, 2008, President Bush signed the United States-India Nuclear Cooperation Approval and Non-proliferation Enhancement Act and subsequently India pulled out of the Iran gas pipeline project.

On December 23, 2011, National Bank of Pakistan (NBP), fearing that its foreign branches will be shut down, refused to finance the local component of the pipeline project. At the same time, Oil and Gas Development Company Limited (OGDCL), fearing that its foreign investors may pull out, also refused to participate in the project.

In March 2012, Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC), the largest bank in the world, pulled out of the project. The same month Iran offered financial aid to Pakistan to build the pipeline. For the record, in February 2012, Iran defaulted on payments worth $144 million for rice shipments from India. The same month, Iran also defaulted on payments to Ukrainian wheat exporters. By May 2012, Gazprom, the Moscow-based largest gas extracting company, was seen to be pulling out of the pipeline project.

In effect, there is neither money nor technology. Furthermore, Iran is yet to get South Pars gas field's reserves ratified by a third party and there is Pakistan's request to revise the price of gas downwards from 78 percent of crude to 70 percent. As it stands, Pakistani consumers would have to cough out around $13 per unit for gas from Iran as opposed to around $3.50 being charged by Sui Northern and Sui Southern. Edgar Allan Poe, American author, poet and literary critic, three in one, said, "Those who dream by day are cognisant of many things which escape those who dream only by night."

Iran-Pakistan gas project: pipeline or pipedream? - thenews.com.pk
 

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China might join this in future..since iran has long lasting reserves and china energy requirements are growing and growing

If Joined than alone with the consumption of china..Iran can survive any kind of sanctions.

India has also held up the project only because of pressure..let the pressure set down and india will be more than willing to join
Since passing through pakistan is not the reason because the TAPI pass through pakistan again
 

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This is a pipeline to nowhere as it will never be built. If even the National Bank of Pakistan and the so-called all-weather friend China's Industrial Commercial Bank of China will not fund it because of fear of US sanctions, will Pakistan be able to raise the funds?
The questions being raised regarding the ability of Pakistan to fund its share of the pipeline are valid ones. Pakistan may be banking on the fact that the Iranians are funding $500 million of the $1.5 Billion cost, which should allow construction work on the Pakistani side to commence, and that the geo-political situation with respect to Iran (or Pakistan's ability to raise that revenue domestically) may change by then.
 

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Who doesnt want energy? But India has more than just US sanctions to worry about in the case of this pipeline. In fact once US winds up Afghan operations, it will want to put more pressure on Iran and for that even on Pakistan. The Generals will not want further issues with the US and that will be the end of the project at least for the next couple of decades. Maybe thereafter.
 

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Its a gas piple line and I expect some one will come to the conclusion its going to be magnet for terrorist just to see the fireworks the natural gas will make.
Balochistan already has gas lines criss-crossing the province, and they do often come under attack from terrorists/separatists.

The groups primarily involved in attacks on infrastructure in Balochistan are the separatist terrorists - groups whose leadership resides in comfort in North America and Western Europe, so perhaps the US and Europe will finally crack down on these terrorists and block their funding.

These groups also pose the same challenge to Iran in terms of fueling separatist terrorism in Iran's Sistan province (which is ethnically Baloch), so any terrorism against the pipeline damaging Pakistani and Iranian economic interests would drive the two sides closer.
 

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Not really, it will just be the normal muslim killing muslims and destroying what ever they canby a bunch of retards.
 

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No need to generalize into 'Sunnis of Pakistan' - the terrorist groups targeting Pakistan certainly belong to the Sunni sect and/or its off-shoots (Wahabi/Deobandi) but it would be wrong and downright ignorant to suggest, as you have, that a broad majority of the Sunnis in Pakistan support or condone the sectarian violence against the Shia.
Now, this is just the type of weak kneed stuff that one patters out when at a loss and embarrassed.

If the majority of the Sunnis do not support or condone the massacre of the Shias and minorities by the Sunni terrorists, then why are they not resisting this bloodbath or taking out processions to condemn the same?

Why are they sitting so impotently and twiddling their thumbs?

Isn't silence a way of condoning?

Unless of course you make this impotence a virtue!

If Imran Khan can work up a resistance against the US and force the supply line to Afghanistan dry up or when that Canadian Muslim cleric can whip up frenzy and protest in Pakistan, how come the 'majority of the Sunnis' as you so pithily put across, are impotent?
 

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Balochistan already has gas lines criss-crossing the province, and they do often come under attack from terrorists/separatists.

The groups primarily involved in attacks on infrastructure in Balochistan are the separatist terrorists - groups whose leadership resides in comfort in North America and Western Europe, so perhaps the US and Europe will finally crack down on these terrorists and block their funding.

These groups also pose the same challenge to Iran in terms of fueling separatist terrorism in Iran's Sistan province (which is ethnically Baloch), so any terrorism against the pipeline damaging Pakistani and Iranian economic interests would drive the two sides closer.
The optimism that the US will stop funding is misplaced.

The Balochis spearatists serve two purposes:

1. Sabotage the pipelines and will do so possibly once the Iran Pak one is constructed.

2. Encouraging the Baloshis will also put pressure on Iran since on the Iranian side there are also Balochis who are Sunnis. Iran, as you are aware are Shias and as you are also aware the Shias are not too impressed with the manner in which they are being treated in Pakistan!
 

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The optimism that the US will stop funding is misplaced.

The Balochis spearatists serve two purposes:

1. Sabotage the pipelines and will do so possibly once the Iran Pak one is constructed.

2. Encouraging the Baloshis will also put pressure on Iran since on the Iranian side there are also Balochis who are Sunnis. Iran, as you are aware are Shias and as you are also aware the Shias are not too impressed with the manner in which they are being treated in Pakistan!
Iranian shia are twelvers so does the shia in bahrain and a few tribes in pakistan like hazara

rest of pakistani shia including indians are not twelver..and if i am not wrong they hate each other much more than any sunni
 

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