Pakistan has sacrificed to fight terror, is a victim: China

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defending a terrorists state is your business and defending innocents and oppressed uighers is not anyone's business? what an hypocrite .
Pakistan is not a terrorist state. It has not been declared as such by the United Nations, or by any National government in the entire world. Not even yours.

So that is quite a disingenuous argument.

Chinese are funny they are defending 2 billion in trade with Pakistan while they have 60 billion in trade with India. If Indians were really hostile to the Chinese like deluded earlier this number would not be this high.
What kind of logic is that?

China-Japan trade is over 260 billion. It doesn't prove anything.
 
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Pakistan is not a terrorist state. It has not been declared as such by the United Nations, or by any National government in the entire world. Not even yours.

So that is quite a disingenuous argument.
sir, did you visit the multimedia forum as i have suggested? :D
 

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Pakistan is not a terrorist state. It has not been declared as such by the United Nations, or by any National government in the entire world. Not even yours.

So that is quite a disingenuous argument.
Ok I will change my statements a little . I would like to say that pakistan is a state full of terrorists . Is it technically correct statement or you still needs modifcation ?
 

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defending a terrorists state is your business and defending innocents and oppressed uighers is not anyone's business? what an hypocrite .
Don't you feel ashamed to keep calling Pakistan a "terrorist state", when both the UN and the Indian government refuse to label them as such? In fact, not one single government in the entire world, refers to Pakistan as a terrorist state.

In your other Indian forum, BR... they don't even say "Pakistan", they say TSP. Which stands for the Terrorist State of Pakistan.

It's a great way to "dehumanize" them, isn't it? Like the Chinese engineers.
 

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Don't you feel ashamed to keep calling Pakistan a "terrorist state", when both the UN and the Indian government refuse to label them as such? In fact, not one single government in the entire world, refers to Pakistan as a terrorist state.

In your other Indian forum, BR... they don't even say "Pakistan", they say TSP. Which stands for the Terrorist State of Pakistan.

It's a great way to "dehumanize" them, isn't it? Like the Chinese engineers.
When you chinese dont feel even a bit ashamed to kill their own countrymen in thousands and make them vanish in thin air and shamelessly support a state full of terrorists . Why the hell we Indian should feel ashamed of calling terrorists as terrorists . shame on you people who support mass killing by chinese CCP administration. You dont weep for your own countrymen but pain of a state full of terrorists make you cry . What a shame .
 

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When you chinese dont feel even a bit ashamed to kill their own countrymen in thousands and make them vanish in thin air and shamelessly support a state full of terrorists.
What about when India butchered thousands of unarmed Sikh men, women and children, during the Sikh massacre?

Or when the Indian government starves 5.6 million Indians to death every year, just so they can add more to their Swiss Bank accounts?

If you want to bash China, why don't you look in the mirror first.
 

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Lets try to keep discussion focussed on topic. I am letting offtopic posts be as a lesson in how threads get hijacked. And also as a lesson in how to bring threads back ontopic.
 

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What about when India butchered thousands of unarmed Sikh men, women and children, during the Sikh massacre?

Or when the Indian government starves 5.6 million Indians to death every year, just so they can add more to their Swiss Bank accounts?

If you want to bash China, why don't you look in the mirror first.
if you really want to discuss about this, then i recommend you to open a new thread. i promise that we all will have healthy debate about this... let us NOT derail this thread into another topic.

Besides, i hardly think that you are from china. it doesn't matter anyway..
I am not sure about your country but In India, we call dogs as dog only... and terrorist as terrorist only...
 

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What about when India butchered thousands of unarmed Sikh men, women and children, during the Sikh massacre?
I had no idea. Can you educate me some more about this great massacre perpetrated by evil, fascist Indians?

Or when the Indian government starves 5.6 million Indians to death every year, just so they can add more to their Swiss Bank accounts?
CCP officials are not corrupt too? Are you being bribed to say this? :D

If you want to bash China, why don't you look in the mirror first.
What do you want to prove here? Why are you trolling on this forum?

Please go back to PDF.
 

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if you really want to discuss about this, then i recommend you to open a new thread. i promise that we all will have healthy debate about this... let us NOT derail this thread into another topic.
It was your Indian friend SHASH2K2 who first said this:

When you chinese dont feel even a bit ashamed to kill their own countrymen in thousands and make them vanish in thin air and shamelessly support a state full of terrorists . Why the hell we Indian should feel ashamed of calling terrorists as terrorists . shame on you people who support mass killing by chinese CCP administration. You dont weep for your own countrymen but pain of a state full of terrorists make you cry . What a shame .
With absolutely no provocation either.
 
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yea sacrifice is only made to bring the northwestern provinces into control but on the eastern border business as usual terror launching camps into Indian Kashmir . so i dont call it a sacrifice
 

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It was your Indian friend SHASH2K2 who first said this:



With absolutely no provocation either.
yes, shash2h2 commented that, because you were complaining that we were calling terrorist nation as terrorist nation.
 

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From an Indian PoV calling Pakistan a victim of terror is akin to saying a suicide bomber is also a victim of terror.
 

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Lets try to keep discussion focussed on topic. I am letting offtopic posts be as a lesson in how threads get hijacked. And also as a lesson in how to bring threads back ontopic.
 
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From an Indian PoV calling Pakistan a victim of terror is akin to saying a suicide bomber is also a victim of terror.
Over 30,000 innocent civilians have died in Pakistan due to the War on Terror.

I don't think any other country on Earth, has lost that many people as a direct result of terrorism.

P.S. Singh sir, I don't think "civfanatic" meant that above post as an ad hominem attack.
 

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Over 30,000 innocent civilians have died in Pakistan due to the War on Terror.

I don't think any other country on Earth, has lost that many people as a direct result of terrorism.

P.S. Singh sir, I don't think "civfanatic" meant that above post as an ad hominem attack.
@Yan Luo Wang,

Who killed these civilians ?
These people were killed by the very same terrorist groups and ideology which were made by the Pak establishment and are still considered national assets. These terror attacks are a result of the a power struggle; Pakistan has to chose between US pressure and the pressure from right wingers.

Even today average Pakistani people call terrorists like Hafiz Saeed, Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar as great ghazis aka warriors of Islam.

And more people are killed in a Karachi in political violence in a year than those killed in terror attacks by ISI established groups.

PS: You are too kind sir.
 
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Over 30,000 innocent civilians have died in Pakistan due to the War on Terror.

I don't think any other country on Earth, has lost that many people as a direct result of terrorism.

P.S. Singh sir, I don't think "civfanatic" meant that above post as an ad hominem attack.

Point taken! But the terrorism in Pakistan is home grown. It has not been funded and propagated by external powers. Pakistan itself considered those terrorists as 'assets'. Terrorism is a double edge sword and good to see the results of the Frankenstein monster created by Pakistan itself.

For terrorism in Pakistan, no one is to be blamed except Pakistan itself.
 

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Over 30,000 innocent civilians have died in Pakistan due to the War on Terror.

I don't think any other country on Earth, has lost that many people as a direct result of terrorism.

P.S. Singh sir, I don't think "civfanatic" meant that above post as an ad hominem attack.
hahahaha, so now you are again playing the victim card fella? how did even you come up with that number? the million dollar question is which country provided shelter, food and funds to these terrorists? as my previous posters have said, pakistan nourished all terrorist organization in the world to use it as a proxy against mighty India. if u grow a monster at your own backyard, then be sure that one day that same monster will eat you. because that's what the monster is supposed to do.

here is the list of few terrorist attacks and number of casualties. this list shows figure of confirm deaths only; it does not show how many are injured or got permanent disability. this list is only 2% completed. this list will show you how much the world has suffered due to pakistans home grown terrorism. it is estimated that at-least 12-15 lakh people have fallen victim to terrorism.

Death - name - county - city - year
19 - USS Cole bombing - Yemen - Aden - 2000
19 - 2008 American Embassy attack in Yemen - Yemen - Sana'a - 2008
10 - 2007 attack on tourists in Yemen - Yemen - Mareb - 2007
2,982 - September 11 attacks - United States - New York City,
The Pentagon, Arlington, Virginia,
Shanksville, Pennsylvania - 2001
168 - Oklahoma City bombing - United States - Oklahoma City - 1995
120+ - Mountain Meadows Massacre - United States - Utah - 1857
38 - Wall Street bombing - United States - New York City - 1920
13 - Fort Hood shooting - United States - Texas - 2009
6 - 1993 World Trade Center bombing - United States - New York City - 1993
270 - Pan Am Flight 103 - United Kingdom - Lockerbie, Scotland - 1988
52 - 7 July 2005 London bombings - United Kingdom - London - 2005
21 - Birmingham pub bombings - United Kingdom - Birmingham - 1974
12 - Remembrance Day bombing - United Kingdom - Enniskillen - 1987
12 - M62 coach bombing - United Kingdom - Yorkshire - 1974
11 - Deal barracks bombing - United Kingdom - Deal - 1989
11 - Hyde Park and Regent's Park bombings - United Kingdom - London - 1982
7 - 1972 Aldershot Bombing - United Kingdom - Aldershot - 1972
6 - Harrods bombing - United Kingdom - London - 1983
112 - Gulf Air Flight 771 - United Arab Emirates - Dubai - 1983
74 - July 2010 Kampala attacks - Uganda - Kampala - 2010
57 - 2003 Istanbul Bombings - Turkey - Istanbul - 2003
17 - 2008 Istanbul bombings - Turkey - Istanbul - 2008
13 - 1999 Istanbul bombings - Turkey - Istanbul - 1999
12+ - 2010 Hakkâri bus attack - Turkey - Hakkâri Province - 2010
9 - 2007 Ankara bombing - Turkey - Ankara - 2007
112 - 2006 Digampathana bombing - Sri Lanka - Digampathana - 2006
90 - Central Bank Bombing - Sri Lanka - Colombo - 1996
191 - March 11, 2004 Madrid train bombings - Spain - Madrid - 2004
21 - 1987 Hipercor bombing - Spain - Barcelona - 1987
18 - 1985 El Descanso bombing - Spain - Madrid - 1985
9 - 1991 Vic bombing - Spain - Vic - 1991
238 - MV Dara - Southwest Asia - Persian Gulf - 1961
51 - 2009 African Union base bombings in Mogadishu - Somalia - Mogadishu - 2009
39 - May 2010 Mogadishu bombings - Somalia - Mogadishu - 2010
35 - 2009 Beledweyne bombing - Somalia - Beledweyne - 2009
32 - 2009 African Union base bombings in Mogadishu - Somalia - Mogadishu - 2009
32 - Muna hotel attack - Somalia - Mogadishu - 2010
25 - 2009 Hotel Shamo bombing - Somalia - Mogadishu - 2009
35 - Riyadh compound bombings - Saudi Arabia - Riyadh - 2003
22 - 2004 Khobar massacre - Saudi Arabia - Khobar - 2004
334 - Beslan school siege - Russia - Beslan - 2004
293 - 1999 Russian apartment bombings - Russia - Moscow - 1999
170 - Moscow Theatre Siege - Russia - Moscow - 2002
140 - Budyonnovsk hospital hostage crisis - Russia - Budyonnovsk - 1995
89 - Russian airplane bombings - Russia - Moscow - 2004
83 - 2002 Grozny truck bombing - Russia - Grozny - 2002
62 - 1999 Vladikavkaz bombing - Russia - Vladikavkaz - 1999
59 - 2003 Znamenskoye suicide bombing - Russia - Znamenskoye - 2003
46 - 2003 Stavropol train bombing - Russia - Stavropol - 2003
44 - Kaspiysk bombing - Russia - Kaspiysk - 2002
42 - February 2004 Moscow metro bombing - Russia - Moscow - 2004
40 - 2010 Moscow Metro bombings - Russia - Moscow - 2010
36 - 2011 Domodedovo International Airport bombing - Russia - Moscow - 2011
28 - 2009 Nevsky Express bombing - Russia - Bologoye - 2009
25 - 2009 Nazran bombing - Russia - Nazran - 2009
17 - 2010 Vladikavkaz bombing - Russia - Vladikavkaz - 2010
13 - 2006 Moscow market bombing - Russia - Moscow - 2006
12 - 2010 Kizlyar bombings - Russia - Kizlyar - 2010
12 - 2008 Vladikavkaz bombing - Russia - Vladikavkaz - 2008
10 - August 2004 Moscow metro bombing - Russia - Moscow - 2004
8 - 2010 Stavropol bomb blast - Russia - Stavropol - 2010
7 - 1977 Moscow bombings - Russia - Moscow - 1977
6 - 2010 Chechen Parliament attack - Russia - Grozny - 2010
6 - 2003 Red Square bombing - Russia - Moscow - 2003
116 - 2004 SuperFerry 14 bombing - Philippines - - 2004
22 - Rizal Day bombings - Philippines - Metro Manila - 2000
11 - 2002 Zamboanga City bombings - Philippines - Zamboanga City - 2002
8 - 2006 Central Mindanao bombings - Philippines - Central Mindanao - 2006
8 - July 2009 Mindanao bombings - Philippines - Mindanao - 2009
6 - Batasang Pambansa bombing - Philippines - Quezon City - 2007
136 - 2007 Karachi bombing - Pakistan - Karachi - 2007
117 - 28 October 2009 Peshawar bombing - Pakistan - Peshawar - 2009
110 - 10 October 2008 Orakzai bombing - Pakistan - Orakzai - 2008
105 - 2010 Lakki Marwat suicide bombing - Pakistan - Lakki Marwat - 2010
104 - Mohmand Agency attack - Pakistan - Mohmand Agency - 2010
98 - May 2010 attacks on Ahmadi mosques in Lahore - Pakistan - Lahore - 2010
73+ - September 2010 Quetta bombing - Pakistan - Quetta - 2010
72+ - March 2010 Lahore bombings - Pakistan - Lahore - 2010
70 - 2008 Wah bombing - Pakistan - Wah - 2008
66 - 2010 Darra Adam Khel mosque bombing - Pakistan - Darra Adam Khel - 2010
58 - April 2010 Kohat bombings - Pakistan - Kohat - 2010
57 - Nishtar Park bombing - Pakistan - Karachi - 2006
56 - 2008 Ahmedabad bombings - Pakistan - Ahmedabad - 2008
54 - December 2009 Lahore attacks - Pakistan - Lahore - 2009
54 - Islamabad Marriott Hotel bombing - Pakistan - Islamabad - 2008
50+ - Dera Ghazi Khan bombings - Pakistan - Dera Ghazi Khan - 2011
50+ - December 2010 Mohmand Agency bombings - Pakistan - Mohmand Agency - 2010
50 - 5 April 2010 Peshawar bombings - Pakistan - Peshawar - 2010
50 - July 2010 Lahore bombings - Pakistan - Lahore - 2010
48 - 2009 Jamrud mosque bombing - Pakistan - Jamrud - 2009
47 - December 2010 Bajaur bombing - Pakistan - Khar - 2010
47 - 2008 Parachinar bombing - Pakistan - Parachinar - 2008
43 - 2009 Karachi bombing - Pakistan - Karachi - 2009
40+ - 9 March 2011 Peshawar bombing - Pakistan - Peshawar - 2011
38 - October 2009 Lahore attacks - Pakistan - Lahore - 2009
38 - December 2009 Rawalpindi attack - Pakistan - Rawalpindi - 2009
35 - September 2010 Lahore bombings - Pakistan - Lahore - 2010
35 - November 2009 Rawalpindi bombing - Pakistan - Rawalpindi - 2009
35 - 2009 Lahore bombing - Pakistan - Lahore - 2009
35 - September 2008 Peshawar bombing - Pakistan - Peshawar - 2008
33 - December 2009 Dera Ghazi Khan bombing - Pakistan - Dera Ghazi Khan - 2009
30 - February 2010 Khyber Mosque bombing - Pakistan - Khyber Agency - 2010
25+ - Assassination of Benazir Bhutto - Pakistan - Rawalpindi - 2007
25+ - February 2010 Karachi bombings - Pakistan - Karachi - 2010
25 - September 2007 bombings in Rawalpindi - Pakistan - Rawalpindi - 2007
25 - 19 April 2010 Peshawar bombing - Pakistan - Peshawar - 2010
23 - 2009 Pakistan Army General Headquarters attack - Pakistan - Punjab - 2009
20+ - Pan Am Flight 73 - Pakistan - Karachi - 1986
20 - 2011 Faisalabad bombing - Pakistan - Faisalabad - 2011
19 - February 2010 Khyber bombing - Pakistan - Khyber - 2010
18 - Pakistan CID building attack - Pakistan - Karachi - 2010
16 - 2001 Bahawalpur church attack - Pakistan - Bahawalpur - 2001
16 - January 2010 Bajaur bombing - Pakistan - Bajaur - 2010
13 - 2002 Karachi bus bombing - Pakistan - Karachi - 2002
12 - 2002 US consulate bombing in Karachi - Pakistan - Karachi - 2002
12 - December 2009 Lower Dir mosque bombing - Pakistan - Lower Dir - 2009
10 - February 2010 Lower Dir bombing - Pakistan - Lower Dir - 2010
8 - 2008 Danish embassy bombing in Islamabad - Pakistan - Islamabad - 2008
8 - 2009 attack on the Sri Lanka national cricket team - Pakistan - Lahore - 2009
6 - 2009 International Islamic University bombing - Pakistan - Islamabad - 2009
29 - Omagh Bombing - Northern Ireland - Omagh - 1998
12 - October 2010 Abuja attacks - Nigeria - Abuja - 2010
171 - UTA Flight 772 - Niger - - 1989
46 - 2003 Casablanca bombings - Morocco - Casablanca - 2003
16 - 2011 Marrakech bombing - Morocco - Marrakech - 2011
91 - King David Hotel bombing - Mandatory Palestine - Jerusalem - 1946
58 - 1948 Ben Yehuda Street bombing - Mandatory Palestine - Jerusalem - 1948
309 - 1983 Beirut barracks bombing - Lebanon - Beirut - 1983
102 - First Tyre truck bombing attack - Lebanon - Tyre - 1982
80 - 1985 Beirut car bombing - Lebanon - Beirut - 1985
63 - April 1983 US Embassy bombing - Lebanon - Beirut - 1983
60 - Second Tyre truck bombing attack - Lebanon - Tyre - 1983
237 - 1998 United States embassy bombings - Kenya,
Tanzania - Nairobi,
Dar es Salaam - 1998
60 - 2005 Amman bombings - Jordan - Amman - 2005
13 - Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway - Japan - Tokyo - 1995
85 - Stazione Centrale bombing - Italy - Bologna - 1980
33 - Pan Am Flight 110 - Italy - - 1973
19 - Rome and Vienna airport attacks - Italy - Rome - 1985
38 - Coastal Road massacre - Israel - Coastal Highway - 1978
30 - Passover massacre - Israel - Netanya - 2002
26 - First Jaffa Road bus bombing - Israel - Jerusalem - 1996
23 - Shmuel HaNavi bus bombing - Israel - Jerusalem - 2003
22 - Dizengoff Street bus bombing - Israel - Tel Aviv - 1994
22 - Beit Lid massacre - Israel - - 1995
21 - Dolphinarium discotheque suicide bombing - Israel - Tel Aviv - 2001
21 - Maxim restaurant suicide bombing - Israel - Haifa - 2003
19 - Patt Junction Bus Bombing - Israel - Jerusalem - 2002
17 - Haifa bus 37 suicide bombing - Israel - Haifa - 2003
15 - Matza restaurant suicide bombing - Israel - Haifa - 2002
15 - Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing - Israel - Jerusalem - 2001
14 - Karkur junction suicide bombing - Israel - - 2002
13 - Dizengoff Center suicide bombing - Israel - Tel Aviv - 1996
11 - Café Moment bombing - Israel - Jerusalem - 2002
11 - Kiryat Menachem bus bombing - Israel - Jerusalem - 2002
11 - Jerusalem bus 19 suicide bombing - Israel - Jerusalem - 2004
8 - Mercaz HaRav massacre - Israel - Jerusalem - 2008
33 - Dublin and Monaghan Bombings - Ireland - Dublin,
Monaghan - 1974
796 - Yazidi communities bombings - Iraq - Qahtaniya and Adnaniyah - 2007
215 - Sadr City bombings - Iraq - Sadr City - 2006
198 - April 18, 2007 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2007
178 - Ashoura Massacre - Iraq - Kerbala and Baghdad - 2004
155 - 25 October 2009 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2009
152 - 2007 Tal Afar bombings and massacre - Iraq - Tal Afar - 2007
135 - February 3, 2007 Baghdad market bombing - Iraq - Baghdad - 2007
133+ - January 2011 Iraq suicide attacks - Iraq - - 2011
127 - 8 December 2009 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2009
127 - 2005 Al Hillah bombing - Iraq - Al Hillah - 2005
120 - 2007 Al Hillah bombings - Iraq - Al Hillah - 2007
117 - 2004 Irbil bombings - Iraq - Irbil - 2004
114+ - 10 May 2010 Iraq attacks - Iraq - Baghdad - 2010
113+ - 2 November 2010 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2010
112 - September 14, 2005 Baghdad bombing - Iraq - Baghdad - 2005
101 - 19 August 2009 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2009
100+ - 10 May 2010 Iraq attacks - Iraq - - 2010
98 - 1 February 2008 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2008
98 - Musayyib fuel tanker bombing - Iraq - Musayyib - 2005
88 - 22 January 2007 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2007
85 - April 2010 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2010
85 - Buratha Mosque bombing - Iraq - Baghdad - 2006
83 - Imam Ali Mosque bombing - Iraq - Najaf - 2003
76 - February 12, 2007 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2007
74 - 2005 Khanaqin bombings - Iraq - Khanaqin - 2005
74 - 21 April 2004 Basra bombings - Iraq - Basra - 2004
74 - 2004 Kufa shelling - Iraq - Kufa - 2004
73 - 20 June 2009 Taza bombing - Iraq - Taza - 2009
70+ - July 2010 Baghdad attacks - Iraq - Baghdad - 2010
70 - 2007 Baghdad Mustansiriya University bombing - Iraq - Baghdad - 2007
69+ - 17 August 2010 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2010
69 - 24 June 2009 Baghdad bombing - Iraq - Baghdad - 2009
68 - 6 March 2008 Baghdad bombing - Iraq - Baghdad - 2008
67 - 19 December 2004 Karbala and Najaf bombings - Iraq - Karbala - 2004
63 - February 18, 2007 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2007
62 - July 1, 2006 Sadr City bombing - Iraq - Sadr City - 2006
62 - 24 June 2004 Mosul bombings - Iraq - Mosul - 2004
58 - 2010 Baghdad Roman Catholic Church attack - Iraq - Baghdad - 2010
58 - 6 April 2010 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2010
54 - 1 February 2010 Baghdad bombing - Iraq - Baghdad - 2010
53+ - 25 August 2010 Iraq bombings - Iraq - Kut - 2010
51 - 17 June 2008 Baghdad bombing - Iraq - Baghdad - 2008
48 - 27 January 2011 Baghdad bombing - Iraq - Baghdad - 2011
47 - 14 September 2004 Baghdad bombing - Iraq - Baghdad - 2004
43+ - 7 August 2010 Basra attacks - Iraq - Basra - 2010
42 - April 4, 2010 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2010
41 - 30 September 2004 Baghdad bombing - Iraq - Baghdad - 2004
41 - 25 January 2010 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2010
35 - 27 October 2003 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2003
35 - 15 July 2008 Baquba bombings - Iraq - Baqubah - 2008
34 - 6 April 2009 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2009
33 - 3 March 2010 Baqubah bombings - Iraq - Baqubah - 2010
32 - 28 September 2008 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2008
31+ - 19 September 2010 Baghdad bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2010
28 - 2003 Nasiriyah bombing - Iraq - Nasiriyah - 2003
27+ - 24 January 2011 Iraq bombings - Iraq - Baghdad - 2011
22 - 2004 Forward Operating Base Marez bombing - Iraq - Mosul - 2004
22 - Canal Hotel bombing - Iraq - Baghdad - 2003
19 - 2003 Karbala bombings - Iraq - Karbala - 2003
17 - 2003 Jordanian embassy bombing in Baghdad - Iraq - Baghdad - 2003
422 - Cinema Rex fire - Iran - Abadan - 1978
43 - 2009 Pishin bombing - Iran - Pishin - 2009
38 - 2010 Chabahar suicide bombing - Iran - Chabahar - 2010
27+ - July 2010 Zahedan bombings - Iran - Zahedan - 2010
20 - 2009 Zahedan explosion - Iran - Zahedan - 2009
18 - 2007 Zahedan bombings - Iran - Zahedan - 2007
12 - 2008 Shiraz explosion - Iran - Shiraz - 2008
202 - 2002 Bali bombings - Indonesia - Bali - 2002
125 - Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 - Indian Ocean - - 1996
257 - 1993 Mumbai bombings - India - Mumbai - 1993
209 - Mumbai train bombings - India - Mumbai - 2006
175 - 2008 Mumbai attacks - India - Mumbai - 2008
148 - Gyaneshwari Express train derailment - India - - 2010
130 - Rafiganj train disaster - India - Rafiganj - 2002
81 - 2008 Assam bombings - India - Assam - 2008
80 - Jaipur bombings - India - Jaipur - 2008
76 - 2010 Maoist attack in Dantewada - India - Dantewada, Chattisgarh - 2010
68 - 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings - India - - 2007
62 - 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings - India - Delhi - 2005
52 - 2003 Mumbai bombings - India - Mumbai - 2003
38 - 2001 attack on Jammu and Kashmir legislative assembly - India - Srinagar - 2001
37 - 2006 Malegaon blasts - India - - 2006
35+ - 2010 Dantewada bus bombing - India - Dantewada - 2010
33 - Akshardham Temple attack - India - Gandhinagar - 2002
33 - 1998 Coimbatore bombings - India - Coimbatore - 1998
30 - 13 September 2008 Delhi bombings - India - Delhi - 2008
28 - 2006 Varanasi bombings - India - Varanasi - 2006
17 - 2010 Pune bombing - India - Pune - 2010
10 - 13 March 2003 Mumbai train bombing - India - Mumbai - 2003
128 - Xiamen Airlines Flight 8301 - Guangzhou - China - 1990
17 - Munich massacre - Germany - Munich - 1972
8 - 1995 Paris Metro bombing - France - Paris - 1995
90 - 2005 Sharm el-Sheikh attacks - Egypt - Sharm el-Sheikh - 2005
63 - Luxor massacre - Egypt - Luxor - 1997
34 - Sinai bombings - Egypt - Taba,
Nuweiba - 2004
32+ - 2011 Alexandria bombing - Egypt - Alexandria - 2011
24 - 2011 Alexandria bombing - Egypt - Alexandria - 2011
23 - 2006 Dahab bombings - Egypt - Dahab - 2006
21 - Kosheh massacre - Egypt - Kosheh - 2000
11 - Nag Hammadi massacre - Egypt - Nag Hammadi - 2010
112 - Avianca Flight 203 - Colombia - - 1989
63 - DAS Building bombing - Colombia - Bogotá - 1989
150 - St Nedelya Church assault - Bulgaria - Sofia - 1925
14 - 2011 Minsk Metro bombing - Belarus - Minsk - 2011
68 - 2004 Baqubah bombing - Baqubah - Iraq - 2004
27 - 1994 Baku Metro bombings - Azerbaijan - Baku - 1994
329 - Air India Flight 182 - Atlantic Ocean, South of Ireland - - 1985
60 - EgyptAir Flight 648 - Athens - Greece - 1985
86 - AMIA Bombing - Argentina - Buenos Aires - 1994
63 - Iraqi Airways Flight 163 - Arar - Saudi Arabia - 1986
252 - 2001 Angola train attack - Angola - - 2001
43 - 2008 Issers bombing - Algeria - Issers - 2008
41 - December 11, 2007 Algiers bombings - Algeria - Algiers - 2007
33 - 11 April 2007 Algiers bombings - Algeria - Algiers - 2007
30 - 2007 Dellys bombing - Algeria - Dellys - 2007
22 - 2007 Batna bombing - Algeria - Batna - 2007
13 - 2008 Beni Amrane bombings - Algeria - Beni Amrane - 2008
100 - 2008 Kandahar bombing - Afghanistan - Kandahar - 2008
75 - 2007 Baghlan sugar factory bombing - Afghanistan - Baghlan - 2008
58 - 2008 Indian embassy bombing in Kabul - Afghanistan - Kabul - 2008
40 - Nadahan wedding bombing - Afghanistan - Kandahar Province - 2010
18 - May 2010 Kabul bombing - Afghanistan - Kabul - 2010
18 - February 2010 Kabul attack - Afghanistan - Kabul - 2010
17 - 2009 Kabul Indian embassy attack - Afghanistan - Kabul - 2009
10 - 2010 Badakhshan massacre - Afghanistan - Badakhshan Province - 2010
9 - Camp Chapman attack - Afghanistan - Khost Province - 2009
8 - 2009 UN guest house attack in Kabul - Afghanistan - Kabul - 2009
88 - TWA Flight 841 - - Ionian Sea - 1974
 

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Pakistan, Victim of Terrorism?

Buying into Islamabad's narrative might be the best way to get cooperation.



Is Pakistan a victim of terrorism? On the face of it, the notion seems ludicrous. Osama bin Laden's sprawling safe house was found in the shadow of the country's premier military academy. Many now see Pakistan as the abettor, if not perpetrator, of terror.

Islamabad's "double game"—the practice of arresting some terrorists while actively aiding others—has passed into popular parlance. Pakistan remains the likely home of some of the world's most wanted fugitives, including al Qaeda's Ayman al-Zawahiri and the Taliban's Mullah Omar. About $20 billion of aid over the past 10 years has not been enough to buy the U.S. cooperation against the Pakistani army's alleged protégés in the Afghan Taliban, or to slow down a rogue nuclear weapons program growing faster than any other in the world.

But browse Pakistan's newspapers, or tune into the country's lively news channels, and another story line emerges. President Asif Ali Zardari calls his country "perhaps the world's greatest victim of terrorism," and on this the majority of his countrymen appear to agree. Decoding this narrative of victimhood is crucial to any long-term victory in this central front of the war on terror.

As the argument goes, Pakistan is suffering the consequences of America's strategic blunders. Had the Central Intelligence Agency not backed the anti-Soviet jihad of the 1980s and the U.S. not foolishly blundered into Afghanistan in 2001, Pakistan would not be awash in blood today. Since 2003, Islamist militants of various stripes have killed more than 3,500 soldiers and policemen, and nearly 35,000 civilians. Last week, the Pakistani Taliban murdered more than 90 policemen at a training academy in the country's northwest. The 2008 bombing of Islamabad's Marriott hotel and a 2009 attack on army headquarters in Rawalpindi have seared themselves into the nation's consciousness.

In Pakistan's cities, these attacks have spawned heavily armed police at checkpoints, metal detectors in hotels and the gnawing uncertainty that comes with not knowing when the next suicide bomber will strike. Add to that Pakistani anger over drone strikes, resentment at hosting about 1.7 million Afghan refugees, and a sense that the U.S. has not shown sufficient gratitude for Islamabad's help in nabbing hundreds of al Qaeda leaders—including the 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, his co-conspirator Ramzi bin Al-Shibh and al Qaeda number three, Abu Faraj al-Libi—and the portrait of victimhood is complete.

To be fair, this version of events contains a grain of truth. The war against the Soviets, albeit logical in a Cold War context, did turn Pakistan into a magnet for would-be jihadists from across the globe. And many innocent Pakistanis have lost their lives in recent years.

Yet most of the mess the country finds itself in is of its own making. From the outset, Islamabad cleverly hijacked the anti-Soviet jihad and ensured that its favorites—such as the murderous Gulbuddin Hekmatyar—received the lion's share of American arms and money. After the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan in 1989, Inter-Services Intelligence, the Pakistan army's spy wing, continued to use jihadist proxies in its pursuit of "strategic depth" in Afghanistan while opening a second front in Indian Kashmir.

In recent years, Islamabad has failed to act against the Haqqani Network targeting NATO troops in Afghanistan, or against Lashkar-e-Taiba, responsible for the 2008 Mumbai attacks. LeT founder Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, who recently led special prayers in Lahore mourning bin Laden, is widely regarded as a public figure above the law. To put it bluntly, Pakistan is a victim of terrorism the way Enron was a victim of poor accounting standards.

In the face of such reckless behavior, some may seek to punish Pakistan rather than reform it. Nonetheless, the international community actually has an interest in bolstering Islamabad's bogus narrative of victimhood. While bigger sticks (stepping up drone strikes) and perhaps more carrots (support for democratization and military reform) will have to be part of the policy mix to extract greater cooperation from Pakistan's feckless politicians and obstreperous generals, over the long term that may not be enough.

Given deep-rooted support for extremists in Pakistani society and widespread hatred of the U.S., Islamabad can't realistically be expected to sustain a fight against terrorism without a compelling way to sell it to its own people. The victimhood storyline is, quite simply, the best available.

But for it to work, this tale of suffering must be retooled to encompass all terrorism, not merely direct attacks on Pakistan. It's not only the Pakistani Taliban that threatens the country. The Haqqani Network's atrocities in Afghanistan and LeT's in India have alienated Pakistan's neighbors and diminished its international standing. There's no evidence to suggest that they've made Pakistan either safer or more influential.

On the contrary, in the long term, the global suspicion and animosity that Islamabad's proxies generate cost its economy and ultimately its security—costs that may well be greater than those inflicted by the Pakistani Taliban. This would indeed make Pakistan a victim of terrorism, just not in the way its double-dealing generals suggest.

Sadanand Dhume: Pakistan, Victim of Terrorism? - WSJ.com

 

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