Pakistan getting F-16 block 70 and other stuff

[vishwaprasad]

Hi all
Recently there is one hot thread being discussed on PDF started by some khafee (he claims to be an insider) that after imran Khan visit to USA both countries are set to ink new deal in which pak may get block 70 F-16 and possibly PAC 3 systems.

If this turns out to be true then god save IAF who saw on 27th Feb what paf F -16 block 52 are capable of.... Our mki could not engaged them nor M2ks. We lost mig 21 and panically shot down our own Mi 17.... Till date IAF could not dare retaliate and buying R-27 in emergency, considering derby missiles, SDR for fighters shows something really bad happened to IAF on that day which is not being shared to public.

If pak can achieve this with block 52 imagine how they will start reacting with us once they have block 70.... Pac 3 will make sure we don't even think of surgical strike in future and even if we do dare then they will retaliate the same way on us the way Israel retaliates against Lebanon, Syria....

Our rafales are purchased in very low nos so they too won't be able to do much against 100+ advanced F -16s armed with AMARAAM and AESA radars...

India has already sent it's diplomats to USA to oppose this deal that means there is something true in what is being discussed on PDF....

Tough times ahead for IAF....

 

[vishwaprasad]

Balakot lessons: India needs to upgrade its fighter fleet, gain tech advantage
According to experts and veterans of India's defence forces, the Balakot airstrikes put to rest all issues over India's capabilities.
By IANS | Updated: Aug 02, 2019, 12.53 PM IST

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On February 26, Indian airplanes crossed the LoC and dropped bombs on a terrorist camp of the Jaish-e-Mohammed located near Balakot town in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan.

NEW DELHI: The Balakot air-strikes carried out by Indian Air Force (IAF) in February this year and Pakistans response thereafter, has brought into sharp focus India's need for better military and technological edge over its enemies as far as defence capabilities are concerned.

On February 26, Indian airplanes crossed the LoC into the disputed region of Kashmir and dropped bombs on a terrorist camp of the Jaish-e-Mohammed located near Balakot town in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan. Over 300 terrorists were reported killed in the airstrikes by various sources in India, a claim vehemently denied by Pakistan.

Indja confirmed that the attacks were in retaliation to the Pulwama terror incident earlier that month in which nearly 40 personnel of the CRPF had been killed in a bomb blast on the Jammu-Srinagar highway.


According to experts and veterans of India's defence forces, the Balakot airstrikes put to rest all issues over India's capabilities to pinpoint targets deep inside enemy territory and selectively hit them with precision-guided missiles.

However, experts are of the opinion that India should improve its Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) technology.
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An upgrading of Identification of Friend or Foe (IFF) technology is also being felt by experts as the need of the hour in order to avoid embarrassing situations like the one in Budgam area of Jammu and Kashmir on February 27 in which the IAF allegedly shot down one of its own Mi-17 chopper -- albeit mistaking it for an enemy chopper -- killing six personnel on board the helicopter as also a civilian on the ground.

Retired Lieutenant-General Deependra Singh Hooda, who was the GoC-in-C of Indian Army's northern command during the 'surgical strike' of September 2016, told IANS the Balakot incident proved that, in future, India can have an added capability to its response option in terms of targeted airstrikes.

"Earlier, we had never used our air power in this manner for the fear that such a step could be escalatory in nature. However, the Balakot incident put to rest such issues and proved that we can respond selectively in using our airpower. The incident has also highlighted the need for upgrading the fighter fleet of the IAF. We do not want a situation again in which we are facing an advanced fighter jet like the F-16 with an old MiG 21," said Hooda.

On February 27, Wing Commander of the IAF Abhinandan Varthaman, who was flying a MiG 21 as part of a sortie, trespassed into enemy territory during a dogfight to chase a Pakistani F-16 that had crossed over to India. Varthaman's MiG 21 was shot down by Pakistan and he was captured only to be released 60 hours later.
According to retired Lieutenant General Harcharanjit Singh Panag, former GoC-in-C of the army's Northern and Central commands, the Balakot incident highlighted that India has only limited technological and military edge over Pakistan.

"We need to have a distinct and clear technological and military edge over Pakistan. The Balakot incident was a lesson that Pakistan has the capacity to respond to anything sort of a war, which ultimately ends up in stalemates and turn into diplomatic issues. Pakistan had credible proof that it shot down one aircraft and captured a pilot. On the other hand, though the IAF also claimed to have shot down an aircraft, there was no credible proof. Credibility of what has been claimed is very important," Panag told IANS.

Experts are also of the opinion that India should have continuity in its approach in dealing with Pakistan-sponsored cross-border terror activities instead of responding to big events like Pulawama or Uri.

On September 29, 2016, India had claimed to have conducted surgical strikes upon militant camps across the Line of Control (LoC) in Kashmir in retaliation against a terror attack upon an army base near Uri town in Jammu and Kashmir. The fidayeen attack in Uri had resulted in the death of at least 19 soldiers of the Indian Army.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...-gain-tech-advantage/articleshow/70492439.cms

 

[Hiranyaksha]

Dhoti shivering has no limits, I guess.
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[vishwaprasad]

Dhoti shivering has no limits, I guess.
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What do you mean? Instead of wasting bandwidth with useless one liners please try to contribute something on this new threat coming....

 

[pankaj nema]

What do you mean? Instead of wasting bandwidth with useless one liners please try to contribute something on this new threat coming....

It is Not happening

Americans are Not fools to give them
More Aid after having lost Men and Resources in Afghanistan

America wants to withdraw , Taliban is not listening to Pakistan and US thinks that
Pakistan is deliberately creating Hurdles

Even if some aid is given it will happen after American interests and objectives have been fulfilled

 

[Suryavanshi]

@Haldiram Uncle Sams pressures tactics at full display here.

Uncle Sam blowing hot air, probably can't digest all of that oil.

 

[pankaj nema]

We can give them a counter offer of F 18

Already we are buying 24 Naval Helicopters

So obviously we are going to pay for our purchases , Pakis want everything free

Just Yesterday our Foreign Minister and Defence Secretary met their US counterparts

So we will try our best to derail US assistance to Pakistan

 

[WolfPack86]

Only way to counter Pakistan F-16 block 70 shooting it down by Akash missile, Barak 8 missile Sam and S-400 missile system.

 

[vishwaprasad]

It is Not happening

Americans are Not fools to give them
More Aid after having lost Men and Resources in Afghanistan

America wants to withdraw , Taliban is not listening to Pakistan and US thinks that
Pakistan is deliberately creating Hurdles

Even if some aid is given it will happen after American interests and objectives have been fulfilled

Then why India delegates are already in USA to oppose possible sale to pak? We have seen how USA punished her NATO ally turkey on s400 who knows to punish India USA might go ahead with pak too

 

[pankaj nema]

Then why India delegates are already in USA to oppose possible sale to pak? We have seen how USA punished her NATO ally turkey on s400 who knows to punish India USA might go ahead with pak too

Every country looks at their Interest

If Pakistan can offer them something

We will also have to do so

The only good thing is that Pakis are bankrupt

And US has been betrayed by Pakis in the past , so there is No friendship between them

It is just a passing phase
A transactional relationship for a while

 

[vishwaprasad]

Only way to counter Pakistan F-16 block 70 shooting it down by Akash missile, Barak 8 missile Sam and S-400 missile system.

Yes this F -16 will simply murder IAF jets... And it's possible that all pak F -16s will be upgraded to V standard..... Too bad we neither can trust our pilots nor we can rely on our jets to face block 70... We will have to rely on air defence like technically weak brute force.... Wait we should pray that in panic our akash, barak and s400 don't shoot our own jets

 

[vishwaprasad]

Every country looks at their Interest

If Pakistan can offer them something

We will also have to do so

The only good thing is that Pakis are bankrupt

And US has been betrayed by Pakis in the past , so there is No friendship between them

It is just a passing phase
A transactional relationship for a while

But that means something is cooking up with regard to F 16 block 70 and there is some truth in what khafee on PDF claiming

 

[pankaj nema]

Yes this F -16 will simply murder IAF jets... And it's possible that all pak F -16s will be upgraded to V standard..... Too bad we neither can trust our pilots nor we can rely on our jets to face block 70... We will have to rely on air defence like technically weak brute force.... Wait we should pray that in panic our akash, barak and s400 don't shoot our own jets

We can get more Rafales

US will not give such advanced weapons to pakis

 

[pankaj nema]

Last year Pakis could not buy 8 Block 52s jets

Can they buy Block 70

Saale bhikari , they are struggling for food and Petrol but they are still very arrogant regarding Kashmir

 

[vishwaprasad]

We can get more Rafales

US will not give such advanced weapons to pakis

I think in front of F 16 70 armed with AMARAAM (AIM 120 c7 or D version) and AESA radars will have huge advantage over rafales too armed with meteor... However you are right if we can somehow purchase rafales in nos then at least we will be able to defend our skies if not strike them deep... Flankers will be simply useless

 

[Haldiram]

@Haldiram Uncle Sams pressures tactics at full display here.

Uncle Sam blowing hot air, probably can't digest all of that oil.

Our agencies keep track of the developments and keep responding. It's just that the news only publish one side of the story and no paper publishes the punitive action we took. Even if it is published, no direct linkages are drawn to the US action, unlike what Chinese media does.

During the trade war, India did a lot of things like US currency hoarding, then dumping. They had literally put us on the currency watchlist. India is to the US in Asia what France is in Europe > an eyesore.

 

[abingdonboy]

Hi all
Recently there is one hot thread being discussed on PDF started by some khafee (he claims to be an insider) that after imran Khan visit to USA both countries are set to ink new deal in which pak may get block 70 F-16 and possibly PAC 3 systems.

If this turns out to be true then god save IAF who saw on 27th Feb what paf F -16 block 52 are capable of.... Our mki could not engaged them nor M2ks. We lost mig 21 and panically shot down our own Mi 17.... Till date IAF could not dare retaliate and buying R-27 in emergency, considering derby missiles, SDR for fighters shows something really bad happened to IAF on that day which is not being shared to public.

If pak can achieve this with block 52 imagine how they will start reacting with us once they have block 70.... Pac 3 will make sure we don't even think of surgical strike in future and even if we do dare then they will retaliate the same way on us the way Israel retaliates against Lebanon, Syria....

Our rafales are purchased in very low nos so they too won't be able to do much against 100+ advanced F -16s armed with AMARAAM and AESA radars...

India has already sent it's diplomats to USA to oppose this deal that means there is something true in what is being discussed on PDF....

Tough times ahead for IAF....

Are you an idiot or a false flag?

Rafale (at least 72 will be ordered) with Metoer
and AESA radar

300+ LCA armed with ASRAAM, Astra and DERBY-ER and with AESA

300+ SU30MKI armed with Astra, R77 (possibly Meteor and or DERBY-ER also). At some point they will have AESA also (either Russian or an uprated UTTAM)

That’s at least 700 jets with AESA radars and cutting edge BVRAAMs. Add on top of this world class AWACS, C&C, ISR assets and support infra.

Tough times ahead for the PAF.



As for this news, I’ll believe it when I see it 1) Pakis can’t afford it 2) of US does this the relationship with India is going to suffer very badly

 

[abingdonboy]

What do you mean? Instead of wasting bandwidth with useless one liners please try to contribute something on this new threat coming....

What threat? Will be a mostly positive development for the IAF as it will loosen purse strings of FM and get those follow-on Rafales (that are FAR more capable than the F16) ordered ASAP.

PAF has an edge on IAF qualitatively decades ago but the gap between the two has been growing for many years and it will never close now.

 

[abingdonboy]

I think in front of F 16 70 armed with AMARAAM (AIM 120 c7 or D version) and AESA radars will have huge advantage over rafales too armed with meteor... However you are right if we can somehow purchase rafales in nos then at least we will be able to defend our skies if not strike them deep... Flankers will be simply useless

Lmao how the fk have you made this baseless assumption? Rafale+Meteor is more deadly than ANYTHING the region has to offer. The F-16 is an ancient platform no matter how many toys you add on to it.

Anyway pakis still day dreaming about anything and everything but barely able to buy blk.52 F16s, they haven’t been formally offered the blk.70 as LM is desperate to sell it to IAF so its off the table for another 5-10 years for PAF. But Rafale is actually on order and is coming in a few months, that’s reality.


You sound like another delusional paki, having wet dreams over products Pakistan will never get but that are somehow magic bullets that will defeat the enormous advantage India has.

 

[Haldiram]

@Haldiram Uncle Sams pressures tactics at full display here.

Uncle Sam blowing hot air, probably can't digest all of that oil.

Modi taunting em whities "when our Indians used to die, you dismissed it as 'law and order problem', only when a bomb blast happened in your country then you understood".

He literally said.."blast kahin bhi ho sakta hai...tumhare yaha bhi ho sakta hai"


This is the only language they understand.