Pakistan: China wont let India gain entry inton NSG

[Indx TechStyle]

Mexico backs India's bid for NSG membership

Few moments ago, pakis have asked foreign ministers of 3 countries supporting India on phone to block India and support pak.

 

[laughingbuddha]

China agrees to India's entry in NSG if India bans Gobhi Manchurian and Paneer Wonton !!

Beijing: China’s ministry of foreign affairs has clarified that China will have no issues with India’s entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), if in return, India agrees to ban dishes like Gobhi Manchurian, Paneer Wonton and vegetarian Momos etc. from restaurant menus across India.

Senior Chinese official, Li Xui Kuwa, spoke to our reporter at the Chinese embassy. He said, “Last year our honorable Premier Xi had dinner at a local Chinese restaurant in New Delhi and couldn’t recognize a single dish in their Chinese menu. He was served something called Gobhi Manchurian, Vegetarian Momos with Schezwan and something resembling wontons but with cheese cubes in them. Though he enjoyed those dishes but calling them Chinese was an attack on Chinese cuisine and culture.”

After sipping lukewarm cocktail of green-tea, coca-cola and goat milk, Li Xui calmed down and said, “We believe in consuming simple foods and drinks. Hence we demand that all such dishes with name Manchurian, Wonton, Sichuan and Schezwan need to be critically evaluated by Indian government. These dishes do not originate from China and should not be sold under Chinese names. While we are at it, please stop putting soya sauce in every Chinese dish. We want a blanket ban on all such dishes across India. We have already ordered Pakistan to do so and they will be complying in 15 days or we will take back all the funding they get. With India we can’t do such thing so NSG is a good leverage we have. I hope an amicable resolution is reached or the whole region will be politically unstable.”

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[Kshatriya87]

Pakistan's Nuclear Suppliers Group ambitions are half-baked: Here's why

 

[harsh]

From my understanding, this NSG membership is meant to help India export it's nuclear tech to NPT members, if this is the case, I question the need for India trying to become a member of NSG.

We already have a NSG waiver, we are already getting nuclear tech and raw materials from our allies, we are already getting whatever we want with the waiver, in what other way this membership will prove beneficial to India?

The only thing that we don't have is the right to export our nuclear tech to other countries, and this NSG membership is meant to fix that.

Let's be realistic here, how much India will be able to export by becoming NSG member?

There are already Europeans,Americans, south Koreans, Russians, Japanese with vast more expertise and quality porduction in building Nuclear power plants than we have. What chances do we have in winning contracts in next few years over the already established nuclear powers? I don't see much.....

I actually want the present situation to continue..

Let's build nuclear power plants what we have signed with french and Russians in coming years, let's exponentially increase our production capability while strictly adhering to the conditions set in NSG waiver. And within few years, the situation will turn more in India's favors as more countries will get involved in building power plants in India. And there will be more acceptance of India at NSG while in case of Pakistan, except Chinese, none will be setting their foot inside Pakistan.

the number of countries who will endorse Pakistan's membership at NSG will not be more than those who oppose India's membership. Pakistan won't have a wide scale backing at NSG.

Pakistan making attempts to gain entry into NSG is not a well thought out strategy but a butt-hurt response to gain equal status to India.

NSG can never accept Pakistan nor will ever grant membership to Pakistan first without accepting India as a member.

It is not like that india has its own research and some of the russian technology. In comming days we are going to have European and American neuclear reactors. NSG membership will facilitate some of the advance and crucial technology from them.......
The main objective is to get neuclear fuel till our fast breeder reactor become operational. We need a huge amount of plutonium for that which is used in the process of making thorium capable for fission and produce energy.
If we produce plutonium from our reactors then we can achieve sufficient plutonium for continuous operation of our fast breeder reactor from 2070. If we want it before that then we need to by it from other countries.
There is huge stock of plutonium in other countries who has neuclear wepons in 1950 or 1960 and now their life for those bombs is over but we can use it in our reactors and that is cheap.
One other thing right now india and china are more advanced in fast breeder reactor technology because they are developing it for their own use.
After 2030 china and india both will be capable of making fast breeder reactors and will export them to other nations and in this India will compete china more probably win it if india in NSG.
Modi government want to use those fast breeder reactors before 2050. Thats why they making decisions to buy neuclear reactors from every country who make it. It will make gain of vote in NSG and also it will complete stage 1 that provides plutonium for our fast breeder reactors. And make us self reliant in neuclear reactor technology.

For india NSG member ship is more about fuel than technology...... Technology will be the by product. ...... actually we want to buy fuel from every nation who produce neuclear fuel to reduce the cost by increasing the competition in suppliers.
Right now only those countries who don't even have iota of knowledge of nuclear technology are opposing india bid in NSG along with china. Ex are turkey new Zealand South Africa etc.
India want to make china alone in NSG and so far modi is successful.
Todays meeting will shed light on what is required to make china alone in this matter

 

[SANITY]

India won’t be able to join NSG alone, claims Aziz

ISLAMABAD: Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz claimed on Monday that the government’s “active and successful foreign policy” had blocked India’s entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) and that New Delhi would not be able to join the group alone.

“We have been successful in preventing India from gaining access to the NSG and I am hopeful that whenever it happens, we will both join it together and India will not be able to join the NSG alone,” Mr Aziz said while winding up a debate in the Senate on an adjournment motion regarding the agreement signed by India, Iran and Afghanistan for the development of the Chabahar Port and its impact on Pakistan, particularly on the Gwadar Port.

Mr Aziz said that in the last week’s meeting at Vienna (Austria), member states of the NSG had accepted Pakistan’s viewpoint and expressed the hope that India would not be able to join the group when members would hold another meeting in Seoul later this month.

He said that he had recently approached a number of countries, including Russia, Mexico, South Korea and New Zealand, and many countries had supported Islamabad’s viewpoint that there should be a criteria-based approach while deciding about inclusion of any country into the NSG.

Responding to concerns of senators over development of the Chabahar Port in Iran with the help of India, Mr Aziz said that Pakistan had already signed an MoU (Memorandum of Understanding) for sister-port relations between the Chabahar and Gwadar Ports. Moreover, he said, a proposal to build a rail link between the two ports was also under consideration.

The adviser was of the view that to improve connectivity in the region, more than one port was required.

“The Gwadar and Chabahar ports are needed and they are complimentary,” he said, adding that since Gwadar was a deep port, its utility would be greater than that of the Chabahar Port.

The adviser also briefed members on a number of ongoing projects to improve connectivity in the region through establishing road and rail links between Pakistan and Central Asian states and other neighbouring countries. He said that the government was also taking steps to improve facilities for effective implementation of the Afghan Transit Trade Agreement.

After providing details of the ongoing projects, including the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), the adviser said that “the general impression that we are either getting isolated or losing momentum is not correct”.

He said that after lifting of sanctions against Iran, Pakistan had intensified its efforts on Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline Project and in improving bilateral economic and trade relations.

The adviser said the US shift of policy towards India was because of Washington’s policy to contain China. Moreover, he said, this shift was not sudden and it started after 9/11.

Mr Aziz said that the address of Indian Prime Minister Narendera Modi to the US Congress was directed against Pakistan, adding that India was complaining about non-state actors whereas Pakistan had prepared a dossier containing evidence of activities of Indian intelligence agency RAW in Balochistan and other parts of the country.

Earlier, taking part in the discussion on an adjournment motion moved by Mian Ateeq of the MQM, senators urged the government to develop and improve infrastructure at the Gwadar Port so that it could compete with the Chabahar Port effectively.

PPP’s Farhatullah Babar said that Pakistan’s isolation was rooted more in its unrealistic foreign policy goals and objectives than in anything else.

“Frustration and isolation will result when we insist on projecting state power under nuclear umbrella without regard to limitations of our true national power and problems of militancy, extremism, sectarianism and economic weaknesses,” he added.

Mr Babar said the state narrative on the killing of Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour and “our growing isolation is described in terms of attack on sovereignty and corruption in Nadra and international conspiracies against us”.

He said that in the wake of Mansour’s killing, “instead of stock-taking we again raised the Jihadi banner”.

“The nearly 20,000 security cameras in the federal capital failed to notice the proscribed Jamaatud Dawa leaders supposedly banned under the National Action Plan descending on Islamabad and reviving the Jihadi project,” he said in his apparent reference to a rally organised by the group last week to protest against growing US-India relations.

He was of the view that Chabahar was not a threat to Pakistan as long as Pakistan seriously worked on completing the CPEC.

The PML-Q’s Mushahid Hussain said that the Indian prime minister’s policy was clear that he wanted to “isolate and encircle Pakistan”.

Published in Dawn, June 14th, 2016

http://www.dawn.com/news/1264695/india-wont-be-able-to-join-nsg-alone-claims-aziz

 

[Kshatriya87]

India won’t be able to join NSG alone, claims Aziz

ISLAMABAD: Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz claimed on Monday that the government’s “active and successful foreign policy” had blocked India’s entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) and that New Delhi would not be able to join the group alone.

“We have been successful in preventing India from gaining access to the NSG and I am hopeful that whenever it happens, we will both join it together and India will not be able to join the NSG alone,” Mr Aziz said while winding up a debate in the Senate on an adjournment motion regarding the agreement signed by India, Iran and Afghanistan for the development of the Chabahar Port and its impact on Pakistan, particularly on the Gwadar Port.

Mr Aziz said that in the last week’s meeting at Vienna (Austria), member states of the NSG had accepted Pakistan’s viewpoint and expressed the hope that India would not be able to join the group when members would hold another meeting in Seoul later this month.

He said that he had recently approached a number of countries, including Russia, Mexico, South Korea and New Zealand, and many countries had supported Islamabad’s viewpoint that there should be a criteria-based approach while deciding about inclusion of any country into the NSG.

Responding to concerns of senators over development of the Chabahar Port in Iran with the help of India, Mr Aziz said that Pakistan had already signed an MoU (Memorandum of Understanding) for sister-port relations between the Chabahar and Gwadar Ports. Moreover, he said, a proposal to build a rail link between the two ports was also under consideration.

The adviser was of the view that to improve connectivity in the region, more than one port was required.

“The Gwadar and Chabahar ports are needed and they are complimentary,” he said, adding that since Gwadar was a deep port, its utility would be greater than that of the Chabahar Port.

The adviser also briefed members on a number of ongoing projects to improve connectivity in the region through establishing road and rail links between Pakistan and Central Asian states and other neighbouring countries. He said that the government was also taking steps to improve facilities for effective implementation of the Afghan Transit Trade Agreement.

After providing details of the ongoing projects, including the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), the adviser said that “the general impression that we are either getting isolated or losing momentum is not correct”.

He said that after lifting of sanctions against Iran, Pakistan had intensified its efforts on Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline Project and in improving bilateral economic and trade relations.

The adviser said the US shift of policy towards India was because of Washington’s policy to contain China. Moreover, he said, this shift was not sudden and it started after 9/11.

Mr Aziz said that the address of Indian Prime Minister Narendera Modi to the US Congress was directed against Pakistan, adding that India was complaining about non-state actors whereas Pakistan had prepared a dossier containing evidence of activities of Indian intelligence agency RAW in Balochistan and other parts of the country.

Earlier, taking part in the discussion on an adjournment motion moved by Mian Ateeq of the MQM, senators urged the government to develop and improve infrastructure at the Gwadar Port so that it could compete with the Chabahar Port effectively.

PPP’s Farhatullah Babar said that Pakistan’s isolation was rooted more in its unrealistic foreign policy goals and objectives than in anything else.

“Frustration and isolation will result when we insist on projecting state power under nuclear umbrella without regard to limitations of our true national power and problems of militancy, extremism, sectarianism and economic weaknesses,” he added.

Mr Babar said the state narrative on the killing of Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour and “our growing isolation is described in terms of attack on sovereignty and corruption in Nadra and international conspiracies against us”.

He said that in the wake of Mansour’s killing, “instead of stock-taking we again raised the Jihadi banner”.

“The nearly 20,000 security cameras in the federal capital failed to notice the proscribed Jamaatud Dawa leaders supposedly banned under the National Action Plan descending on Islamabad and reviving the Jihadi project,” he said in his apparent reference to a rally organised by the group last week to protest against growing US-India relations.

He was of the view that Chabahar was not a threat to Pakistan as long as Pakistan seriously worked on completing the CPEC.

The PML-Q’s Mushahid Hussain said that the Indian prime minister’s policy was clear that he wanted to “isolate and encircle Pakistan”.

Published in Dawn, June 14th, 2016

http://www.dawn.com/news/1264695/india-wont-be-able-to-join-nsg-alone-claims-aziz

Typical Islami mentality. Na hilaunga, Na hilane dunga.

 

[Neo]

Typical Islami mentality. Na hilaunga, Na hilane dunga.

Don't drag religion into this. It's all politics and nothing else.

 

[Kshatriya87]

Don't drag religion into this. It's all politics and nothing else.

You are right but I can't ignore the fact that PA, media, civilians there see India primarily as a Hindu India and Indian army as a Hindu army; makes it religious.

I'm pretty sure that if India was a muslim country, pakistan wouldn't have objected to its membership in NSG.

 

[Neo]

You are right but I can't ignore the fact that PA, media, civilians there see India primarily as a Hindu India and Indian army as a Hindu army; makes it religious.

I'm pretty sure that if India was a muslim country, pakistan wouldn't have objected to its membership in NSG.

India and Pakistan are adversaries and have a history of mistrust. Where ever India gets first, she will try to block our entry hence it's important for both China and Pakistan to oppose India. Again, religion has nothing to do with it.

 

[Kshatriya87]

India and Pakistan are adversaries and have a history of mistrust.

Where and why did they become adversaries? Where & why did the mistrust happen? Isn't everything is pakistan highly islamised? Right from home education to madarsas to history to media to newspapers. Everything there is pro islam and anti hindu.

Again, religion has nothing to do with it.

Yes, religion has everything to do with it.

 

[SANITY]

Don't drag religion into this. It's all politics and nothing else.

You didn't respond to my questions in that other thread. You speak of mistrust, then explain the causes and solutions unless you don't wan't one. If not for excuse of religion, what else was there to make foe of each other? You don't go beyond putting all responsibility on US .

 

[Neo]

You didn't respond to my questions in that other thread. You speak of mistrust, then explain the causes and solutions unless you don't wan't one. If not for excuse of religion, what else was there to make foe of each other? You don't go beyond putting all responsibility on US .

Sorry I must have missed that post..........................................

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Don't drag religion into this. It's all politics and nothing else.

Look who is saying not to bring religion in? Those who see everything from the green glass is advising others not to bring religion in.

 

[SANITY]

Sorry I must have missed that post..........................................

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/posts/1175005/
It's ok. You can answer now. Where does this mistrust come from? Why Pakistan looks at India with suspicion? What is required of India to make this animosity go away? I want to get to the root of the problem, need to know your past/present narrative causing this hostility/mistrust between us.

 

[shiphone]

someone should learn more about the world and its rules...lol...
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http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/2535_665405/t1371399.shtml

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hong Lei's Remarks on Issues Related to Enlargement of NSG
2016/06/12


Q: According to diplomatic sources, China, New Zealand, Ireland, Turkey, South Africa and Austria object to India’s accession to the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG). There are people saying that India’s admission will undermine the non-proliferation efforts and is likely to infuriate Pakistan. What is China’s comment?

A: The NSG Chair Argentine Ambassador convened an unofficial meeting on June 9. There was no deliberation on any items related to the accession to the NSG by India or any other countries that are not signatories to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The Chair said that this meeting has no agenda and is only convened to heed opinions from all parties on the outreach of the NSG and prepare for a report to be submitted at the NSG Plenary Meeting in Seoul later this month.

China has noted that some non-NPT countries aspire to join the NSG. When it comes to the accession by non-NPT countries, China maintains that the group should have full discussion before forging consensus and making decisions based on agreement. The NPT provides a political and legal foundation for the international non-proliferation regime as a whole. China’s position applies to all non-NPT countries and targets no one in particular. The fact is that many countries within the group also share China’s stance.

There has been some discussion within the group on the NSG membership of non-NPT countries, but NSG members remain divided on this issue. Looking forward, China will continue to support further discussion within the group to forge consensus at an early date. China will proceed with relevant discussion in a constructive manner.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

India and Pakistan are adversaries and have a history of mistrust.

We had same history unless mindless religious extremists and British animals divided our country.

Where ever India gets first, she will try to block our entry hence it's important for both China and Pakistan to oppose India.

As far as China is concerned, they are emerging as a major force ahead of US and they don't want any other emerging force as obstacle in their path in near or far future. Plus India is closer to US and Japan than China strategically.
From your adversary India:
India Promises To Be Neutral on Pak NSG Bid
India is far more responsible and knows very well to not to cross link political bitterness into such sensitive cases which otherwise will end up as a diplomatic failure.
And keep in hour mind,
India is not your adversary nor it even sees Pakistan as rival. It has far bigger issues to handle instead of messing up in small tiny region called "South Asia".
What's need of following India?
From nuclear weapons, space exploration, economy, WMD(including Bio, Chemical or lasers), offense, deference or foreign affairs, I read long articles about Indian Aggression, as if India is doing everything for Pak.
Look at your geography, Pakistan is a bridge between oil and gas giants which could be essential for India's industrialization efforts. Did you allow us to get through?
No, that's why we tied up with Iran.

Pakistan must leave this ME TOO Syndrome towards whatever India does.
Let us live our lives. We are calm on your cases, learn to humble on our cases as well.

Again, religion has nothing to do with it.

In that case, there's no meaning of Pakistan. Remember, Pakistani ideology is based on Pam Islamism among Indian Muslims (which already defied by Indian Muslims and Bangladeshis).
Hope you understand.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

someone should learn more about the world and its rules...lol...
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http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/2535_665405/t1371399.shtml

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hong Lei's Remarks on Issues Related to Enlargement of NSG
2016/06/12


Q: According to diplomatic sources, China, New Zealand, Ireland, Turkey, South Africa and Austria object to India’s accession to the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG). There are people saying that India’s admission will undermine the non-proliferation efforts and is likely to infuriate Pakistan. What is China’s comment?

A: The NSG Chair Argentine Ambassador convened an unofficial meeting on June 9. There was no deliberation on any items related to the accession to the NSG by India or any other countries that are not signatories to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The Chair said that this meeting has no agenda and is only convened to heed opinions from all parties on the outreach of the NSG and prepare for a report to be submitted at the NSG Plenary Meeting in Seoul later this month.

China has noted that some non-NPT countries aspire to join the NSG. When it comes to the accession by non-NPT countries, China maintains that the group should have full discussion before forging consensus and making decisions based on agreement. The NPT provides a political and legal foundation for the international non-proliferation regime as a whole. China’s position applies to all non-NPT countries and targets no one in particular. The fact is that many countries within the group also share China’s stance.

There has been some discussion within the group on the NSG membership of non-NPT countries, but NSG members remain divided on this issue. Looking forward, China will continue to support further discussion within the group to forge consensus at an early date. China will proceed with relevant discussion in a constructive manner.

As if China follows NPT even after signing. LOL.
You guys are jumping because you got membership before us and taking advantage of opportunity.
But please hold your tongues before lecturing Indians proliferation, as we know very well, why China was kept deprived of MTCR.

 

[shiphone]

LOL...some idiot enjoy Shouting slogans and became some kind of laughing stock of this forum...it's a pity for some Indian rich family's education...

but...more deals needed and more price could be paid...

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The fact is that many countries within the group also share China’s stance.

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[Kshatriya87]

NSG membership: India rebuffs Pakistan's claim

"India is pursuing its own policy. We are not concerned with what Pakistan is saying. Media might be, but we are not," Singh said on Tuesday.

 

[Kshatriya87]

Sartaj seeks Austria, Turkey’s help for NSG bid

ISLAMABAD: Adviser to Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz on Tuesday telephoned Foreign Ministers of Austria and Turkey to seediplomatic support for Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) membership.

Sartaj Aziz, made telephone calls to Austria’s Foreign Minister Sebastian Kurz and his Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu.

The Adviser underscored Pakistan’s credentials for NSG membership and emphasised the importance of non-discriminatory approach on NSG expansion to non-NPT states.

The Adviser thanked the Turkish Foreign Minister H.E. Mevlut Cavusoglu for the principled position adopted by Turkey at the Vienna meeting that the membership applications of both India and Pakistan be considered together.